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Post by Just Another Shem on Mar 1, 2017 11:09:46 GMT -5
I'd keep him before I gave him up for another less than a high 1st round pick (assuming a cost effective impact player isn't on the table in a trade) But I simply don't see a scenario where there aren't 3-4 teams lining up to give them a 1st round pick this draft. I just don't see it. In my mind, it's a given that they're getting offered a packaged headlined by a top 15 pick. That's simply a given, to me. So in that lens, I think there is no chance he's not getting traded. Because Brady isn't going anywhere. And the Patriots have no reason to want to move on from him. I don't see any scenario where Bill doesn't jizz in his pants at the notion of adding a 1st round pick to this team without subtracting any part of the team that just won the Super Bowl. For fuck's sake. If they get offered a first rounder this year, it would be utter insanity to not take it. It seems that we are in agreement on that point. Agreed also on the potential to turn him into a helpful player (i.e., more than a special teams player). For a rotational DL, I probably wouldn't. A CB2, I probably would. Where we differ is that this is a certainty. I'd like to think that we get a first rounder for him, but it's not a given. And doubtful to me that it's a 2017 first rounder plus more. Any talk of him staying past 2017 is crazy. But if they get offered a couple of thirds, which is possible, I prefer the insurance. After seeing what teams gave up for Goff, Wentz and Bradford, how do you not see them getting offered a 1st rounder? What scenario do you not see that happening? |
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Post by Smuck on Mar 1, 2017 11:14:32 GMT -5
For fuck's sake. If they get offered a first rounder this year, it would be utter insanity to not take it. It seems that we are in agreement on that point. Agreed also on the potential to turn him into a helpful player (i.e., more than a special teams player). For a rotational DL, I probably wouldn't. A CB2, I probably would. Where we differ is that this is a certainty. I'd like to think that we get a first rounder for him, but it's not a given. And doubtful to me that it's a 2017 first rounder plus more. Any talk of him staying past 2017 is crazy. But if they get offered a couple of thirds, which is possible, I prefer the insurance. After seeing what teams gave up for Goff, Wentz and Bradford, how do you not see them getting offered a 1st rounder? What scenario do you not see that happening? It always fucking depends. Goff and Wentz were shiny objects. Bradford was a miracle scenario. I'd put our chances on getting a first this year at better than 50% but not much better. And that's largely due to a shit QB draft this year. Certainly, I wouldn't go long on getting a 2017 first plus other shit. Would LOVE to be wrong about this, mind you. |
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Post by Just Another Shem on Mar 1, 2017 11:23:01 GMT -5
After seeing what teams gave up for Goff, Wentz and Bradford, how do you not see them getting offered a 1st rounder? What scenario do you not see that happening? It always fucking depends. Goff and Wentz were shiny objects. Bradford was a miracle scenario. I'd put our chances on getting a first this year at better than 50% but not much better. And that's largely due to a shit QB draft this year. Certainly, I wouldn't go long on getting a 2017 first plus other shit. Would LOVE to be wrong about this, mind you. Ok, so basically you and I agree with each other on what the Patriots would/should do. Our only gap is that you're not nearly as sold as I am on them getting offered it. Fair enough |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 1, 2017 12:02:25 GMT -5
98.5 had some nfl insiders on, forget who, but they reiterated what i said. jimmy aint going anywhere because "they see the talent there" and dont want to hand him to another team.
bradys day will come too. it did for everyone else.
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Post by lemiwinks on Mar 1, 2017 12:07:09 GMT -5
98.5 had some nfl insiders on, forget who, but they reiterated what i said. jimmy aint going anywhere because "they see the talent there" and dont want to hand him to another team. bradys day will come too. it did for everyone else. I hope that is the case....I'm pretty sure the bears are not stupid enough to give up the #3, I want an ass kicking defensive difference maker at #3. Garappalo being top QB if he was in this years draft, says more about the shitty QBs in this draft than it does about him. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 1, 2017 12:10:02 GMT -5
98.5 had some nfl insiders on, forget who, but they reiterated what i said. jimmy aint going anywhere because "they see the talent there" and dont want to hand him to another team. bradys day will come too. it did for everyone else. I hope that is the case....I'm pretty sure the bears are not stupid enough to give up the #3, I want an ass kicking defensive difference maker at #3. Garappalo being top QB if he was in this years draft, says more about the shitty QBs in this draft than it does about him. meh, a little of both. read this, im not kidding. gives both sides. www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/18725360/is-jimmy-garoppolo-overhyped-budding-star-new-england-patriots-2017-nfl-offseasonsome interesting gifs showing his ability to move defenses, etc. |
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Post by Just Another Shem on Mar 1, 2017 12:13:30 GMT -5
98.5 had some nfl insiders on, forget who, but they reiterated what i said. jimmy aint going anywhere because "they see the talent there" and dont want to hand him to another team. bradys day will come too. it did for everyone else. Yes... Brady's day will come. But it's not likely to be before the 2017 season. And if Jimmy Garoppolo nets a beast linebacker in the first round of the draft? Sign me up. I'm more concerned with 2017 than 2020 right now. |
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Post by lemiwinks on Mar 1, 2017 12:20:42 GMT -5
75% of the 'scouts, ex-gms, sources etc.' say they wouldn't give up a top half 1st round pick for him. Completely unproven. 25% say he's got the arm talent and would be the best QB in this class...
both might be right, there probably isn't a 1st round QB talent wise this year, but there will probably be 2 or 3 taken just BECAUSE there aren't any good QBs available this year.
If I was the BB, and I actually like him. I keep him.(1 more year before you have to pay him, right?)
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Post by lemiwinks on Mar 1, 2017 12:26:08 GMT -5
On the other hand....Garappolo will probably not have higher value than right now. Simply because there is shit available in QBs this off season. If you have 4 good looking college QBs instead of zero, nobody is considering giving a #1 for him.
Questions for the Pats are
1. Do you like Garappolo?
2. Do you like other guy(black dude, forget his name)
If 1. is yes and 2. is no. you keep him
If 2. is yes, you move him right now for as much as you can get....maybe a mid-late 1st rounder.
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Post by The Bag on Mar 1, 2017 12:26:24 GMT -5
98.5 had some nfl insiders on, forget who, but they reiterated what i said. jimmy aint going anywhere because "they see the talent there" and dont want to hand him to another team. bradys day will come too. it did for everyone else. Yes... Brady's day will come. But it's not likely to be before the 2017 season. And if Jimmy Garoppolo nets a beast linebacker in the first round of the draft? Sign me up. I'm more concerned with 2017 than 2020 right now. Snoogs is right. If bill has say over moves, no reason for him to bankroll the future (assuming he leaves around when Brady leaves). You just win a Superbowl, trade the backup for a guy who will start and make another run. |
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Post by Just Another Shem on Mar 1, 2017 12:29:08 GMT -5
On the other hand....Garappolo will probably not have higher value than right now. Simply because there is shit available in QBs this off season. If you have 4 good looking college QBs instead of zero, nobody is considering giving a #1 for him. Questions for the Pats are 1. Do you like Garappolo? 2. Do you like other guy(black dude, forget his name) If 1. is yes and 2. is no. you keep him If 2. is yes, you move him right now for as much as you can get....maybe a mid-late 1st rounder. Cleveland should be falling all over themselves to trade the 12th pick for him. And how exactly do you "keep him" when he's a year away from free agency and will be looking at mega money to be a starter as opposed to middling money to be a backup? Walk me through that. That's the thing that nobody has as of yet been able to explain to me. How exactly do you "keep him" after this year? |
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Post by Smuck on Mar 1, 2017 12:50:36 GMT -5
75% of the 'scouts, ex-gms, sources etc.' say they wouldn't give up a top half 1st round pick for him. Completely unproven. 25% say he's got the arm talent and would be the best QB in this class...
both might be right, there probably isn't a 1st round QB talent wise this year, but there will probably be 2 or 3 taken just BECAUSE there aren't any good QBs available this year.
If I was the BB, and I actually like him. I keep him.(1 more year before you have to pay him, right?)
I keep coming back to "what's the offer?". I think that there's real value in having him as insurance for 2017. Is it the same value as the 10th pick in this draft? No, of course not. But it's more than the 100th pick IMO. Somewhere in there, BFB has a figure. If someone meets that number, he goes. Else, he stays. |
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Post by MoonDriven on Mar 1, 2017 12:51:51 GMT -5
75% of the 'scouts, ex-gms, sources etc.' say they wouldn't give up a top half 1st round pick for him. Completely unproven. 25% say he's got the arm talent and would be the best QB in this class...
both might be right, there probably isn't a 1st round QB talent wise this year, but there will probably be 2 or 3 taken just BECAUSE there aren't any good QBs available this year.
If I was the BB, and I actually like him. I keep him.(1 more year before you have to pay him, right?)
I keep coming back to "what's the offer?". I think that there's real value in having him as insurance for 2017. It it the same value as the 10th pick in this draft? No, of course not. But it's more than the 100th pick IMO. Somewhere in there, BFB has a figure. If someone meets that number, he goes. Else, he stays. This is a good post.. |
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Post by Smuck on Mar 9, 2017 15:45:47 GMT -5
May as well just start looking for flights to Houston, Jimmy.
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Post by jets12 on Mar 9, 2017 15:50:17 GMT -5
Jimmy to the Jets for a 2 seconds.
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Post by lemiwinks on Mar 9, 2017 15:52:58 GMT -5
May as well just start looking for flights to Houston, Jimmy. they got the #25 pick........there will be a QB available there. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 9, 2017 15:52:54 GMT -5
May as well just start looking for flights to Houston, Jimmy. Romo Yeah. I think it is Romo. Houston gives up the 2nd to get rid of Osweiler and then trades their first to New England? Doesn't sound right.
But with an extra 2nd round pick, maybe Cleveland trades for Giraffalo.
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Post by Chappion on Mar 9, 2017 16:56:54 GMT -5
Osweiler to be traded by the Browns for more draft picks Jimmy to the Browns looking more and more certain. |
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Post by lemiwinks on Mar 9, 2017 16:58:38 GMT -5
Osweiler to be traded by the Browns for more draft picks Jimmy to the Browns looking more and more certain. for 2 2nds? |
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Post by Chappion on Mar 9, 2017 17:00:50 GMT -5
Jimmy to the Browns looking more and more certain. for 2 2nds? That sounds about right. |
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Post by lemiwinks on Mar 9, 2017 17:03:31 GMT -5
its supposed to be a very deep draft.......If he really likes Brisket. I pull the trigger if I'm BB. |
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Post by Just Another Shem on Mar 9, 2017 17:05:37 GMT -5
They've already turned down #12 overall from Cleveland. 2 2nds is a joke. |
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Post by Chappion on Mar 9, 2017 17:12:26 GMT -5
They've already turned down #12 overall from Cleveland. 2 2nds is a joke. If they can get the #12 and a 2nd round pick, that works, too. I'm just not sure who else is left to drive up the price? Maybe Houston? |
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Post by lemiwinks on Mar 9, 2017 17:12:25 GMT -5
BB might prefer 2 #2s to the #12 pick in this draft......
you are looking at 2 starters..Does BB like anything better than young cost controlled starters?
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Post by Smuck on Mar 9, 2017 17:16:24 GMT -5
BB might prefer 2 #2s to the #12 pick in this draft...... you are looking at 2 starters..Does BB like anything better than young cost controlled starters? Fair question, but I don't think so. IMO like 8-15 or so is the sweet spot in a draft. Pretty much guaranteed stud, unless you completely fuck up. No huge price tag on the rookie deal though. Once you get past 15, it's more of a crap shoot. Anyone with half a brain drafts a bulwark at 12 though. Less risk. |
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Post by Just Another Shem on Mar 9, 2017 17:16:41 GMT -5
They've already turned down #12 overall from Cleveland. 2 2nds is a joke. If they can get the #12 and a 2nd round pick, that works, too. I'm just not sure who else is left to drive up the price? Maybe Houston? whichever team out of Washington/San Fran that doesn't end up with Cousins |
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Post by mrpickles on Mar 9, 2017 17:18:58 GMT -5
If they can get the #12 and a 2nd round pick, that works, too. I'm just not sure who else is left to drive up the price? Maybe Houston? whichever team out of Washington/San Fran that doesn't end up with Cousins If the skins wont sign cousins, they aint trading fot Garapalo |
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Post by lemiwinks on Mar 9, 2017 17:28:56 GMT -5
BB might prefer 2 #2s to the #12 pick in this draft...... you are looking at 2 starters..Does BB like anything better than young cost controlled starters? Fair question, but I don't think so. IMO like 8-15 or so is the sweet spot in a draft. Pretty much guaranteed stud, unless you completely fuck up. No huge price tag on the rookie deal though. Once you get past 15, it's more of a crap shoot. Anyone with half a brain drafts a bulwark at 12 though. Less risk. I was exaggerating....just saying that this draft is so deep(like 2 1/2 to 3 rounds loaded with starters) that 2 #2s in this draft is better than it has been in a while. |
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Post by Just Another Shem on Mar 9, 2017 17:52:17 GMT -5
Patriots asking for one of two packages.
The Browns #1 overall,
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The Browns #12 overall and a 2nd rounder in 2018
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Post by Deleted on Mar 9, 2017 18:33:57 GMT -5
Funny how bawstun keeps flip flopping on Giraffalo. One day bawstun is trading him for two first rounders. Then he is unavailable. Then he is available for one high first. Then he is available for a middle first and a second.
Flip flop, flip flop. Just like a flounder.
I'll continue to stay with my prediction. He isn't traded this year and next year he either walks or is given the reins as the Patriots starting QB. Logic is on my side. When you have a 40-yerar-old QB and a roster built for a playoff run, you make sure you have insurance at QB.
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