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Post by Zig on Feb 3, 2017 17:50:18 GMT -5
"Quoted an unnamed member (clubhouse attendant) of the Jets staff." He's making sure he covers everything. He has Brady retiring and Jimmy getting trade. Every team on earth interested in Jimmy and some teams interested but backing out. Pretty much anything that happens this offseason, he has called at some point. Dirt is one of the few non-patriots fans who think Jimmy is going to be a future great. My question to Dirt would be, why wouldn't the Giants try and trade for Jimmy if you think he is that good? I want to be on record as saying I have no idea on Jimmy. A game and a half wasnt enough for me to draw any conclusions Thank You
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Post by jets12 on Feb 3, 2017 18:03:38 GMT -5
He's making sure he covers everything. He has Brady retiring and Jimmy getting trade. Every team on earth interested in Jimmy and some teams interested but backing out. Pretty much anything that happens this offseason, he has called at some point. Dirt is one of the few non-patriots fans who think Jimmy is going to be a future great. My question to Dirt would be, why wouldn't the Giants try and trade for Jimmy if you think he is that good? I want to be on record as saying I have no idea on Jimmy. A game and a half wasnt enough for me to draw any conclusions Thank You My opinion on the matter has been the same for quite some time. I think Brady is going to retire either this season or next. If Jimmy is that good, why would the Patriots want to trade him? If they think Brissett is better, what does that say for Jimmy that a third round rookie is better? So yes, I agree with you that we have no idea about Jimmy and trading for him believing that he is going to be a franchise QB does not make any sense to me.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2017 18:19:40 GMT -5
"Quoted an unnamed member (clubhouse attendant) of the Jets staff." He's making sure he covers everything. He has Brady retiring and Jimmy getting trade. Every team on earth interested in Jimmy and some teams interested but backing out. Pretty much anything that happens this offseason, he has called at some point. Dirt is one of the few non-patriots fans who think Jimmy is going to be a future great. My question to Dirt would be, why wouldn't the Giants try and trade for Jimmy if you think he is that good? Me? I said it wouldnt surprise me if brady retired. I never said i though he would. I even asked "wouldnt you?" I dont think jimmys getting traded. I do think the pats will entertain every offer, and it wouldnt surprise me if they did move him for a ransom. Wouldnt surprise... Because bill has surprised us enough over the years.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2017 18:26:15 GMT -5
He's making sure he covers everything. He has Brady retiring and Jimmy getting trade. Every team on earth interested in Jimmy and some teams interested but backing out. Pretty much anything that happens this offseason, he has called at some point. Dirt is one of the few non-patriots fans who think Jimmy is going to be a future great. My question to Dirt would be, why wouldn't the Giants try and trade for Jimmy if you think he is that good? Me? I said it wouldnt surprise me if brady retired. I never said i though he would. I even asked "wouldnt you?" I dont think jimmys getting traded. I do think the pats will entertain every offer, and it wouldnt surprise me if they did move him for a ransom. Wouldnt surprise... Because bill has surprised us enough over the years. 2017: Starting QB - Bwadie 2nd string QB - Garapolio 3rd string QB - Brisketburger
2018: Starting QB - Bwadie 2nd string QB - Brisketbuckle 3rd string QB - who knows? Garapolio - who knows? Landing somewhere among the usual suspects. Whoever doesn't get a QB they wanted in the upcoming trade/draft season of 2017, will remain on the list as Jimmy targeters for 2018 when he is an FA.
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Post by jets12 on Feb 3, 2017 18:27:36 GMT -5
He's making sure he covers everything. He has Brady retiring and Jimmy getting trade. Every team on earth interested in Jimmy and some teams interested but backing out. Pretty much anything that happens this offseason, he has called at some point. Dirt is one of the few non-patriots fans who think Jimmy is going to be a future great. My question to Dirt would be, why wouldn't the Giants try and trade for Jimmy if you think he is that good? Me? I said it wouldnt surprise me if brady retired. I never said i though he would. I even asked "wouldnt you?" I dont think jimmys getting traded. I do think the pats will entertain every offer, and it wouldnt surprise me if they did move him for a ransom. Wouldnt surprise... Because bill has surprised us enough over the years. Makes sense. Similarly, the above post shows my prediction. But it wouldn't surprise me that the Patriots may think Brissett is better and rob some team for Jimmy. It's why they are the best.
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Post by jets12 on Feb 3, 2017 18:30:52 GMT -5
Me? I said it wouldnt surprise me if brady retired. I never said i though he would. I even asked "wouldnt you?" I dont think jimmys getting traded. I do think the pats will entertain every offer, and it wouldnt surprise me if they did move him for a ransom. Wouldnt surprise... Because bill has surprised us enough over the years. 2017: Starting QB - Bwadie 2nd string QB - Garapolio 3rd string QB - Brisketburger
2018: Starting QB - Bwadie 2nd string QB - Brisketbuckle 3rd string QB - who knows? Garapolio - who knows? Landing somewhere among the usual suspects. Whoever doesn't get a QB they wanted in the upcoming trade/draft season of 2017, will remain on the list as Jimmy targeters for 2018 when he is an FA.
You are assuming Brady has 2 more years in him. I would not be surprised if they franchise Jimmy and maybe try and move Brissett in 2018. They will be able to work the cap.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2017 18:35:06 GMT -5
2017: Starting QB - Bwadie 2nd string QB - Garapolio 3rd string QB - Brisketburger
2018: Starting QB - Bwadie 2nd string QB - Brisketbuckle 3rd string QB - who knows? Garapolio - who knows? Landing somewhere among the usual suspects. Whoever doesn't get a QB they wanted in the upcoming trade/draft season of 2017, will remain on the list as Jimmy targeters for 2018 when he is an FA.
You are assuming Brady has 2 more years in him. I would not be surprised if they franchise Jimmy and maybe try and move Brissett in 2018. They will be able to work the cap. Brady says he wants to play until he is 44 or 45. He was quoted saying this in an article published just 7 weeks ago (December 14th). No way of telling if the body will hold up, but the desire is there.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2017 18:35:42 GMT -5
Me? I said it wouldnt surprise me if brady retired. I never said i though he would. I even asked "wouldnt you?" I dont think jimmys getting traded. I do think the pats will entertain every offer, and it wouldnt surprise me if they did move him for a ransom. Wouldnt surprise... Because bill has surprised us enough over the years. Makes sense. Similarly, the above post shows my prediction. But it wouldn't surprise me that the Patriots may think Brissett is better and rob some team for Jimmy. It's why they are the best. And i stick by this. Jacoby can play. Hes not nfl ready as a starter, but parcells seems to know a thing or 2 about finding qb talent. He chose bledsoe over mirer. He found romo. I believe parcells liked brady out of Michigan too.
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Post by Zig on Feb 3, 2017 19:23:43 GMT -5
I want to be on record as saying I have no idea on Jimmy. A game and a half wasnt enough for me to draw any conclusions Thank You My opinion on the matter has been the same for quite some time. I think Brady is going to retire either this season or next. If Jimmy is that good, why would the Patriots want to trade him? If they think Brissett is better, what does that say for Jimmy that a third round rookie is better? So yes, I agree with you that we have no idea about Jimmy and trading for him believing that he is going to be a franchise QB does not make any sense to me. I know the Pats werent very happy with Jimmy for not starting game 4. I also know the Pats dont talk about pontential future moves so I dont put much stock in these rumors.
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Post by Zig on Feb 4, 2017 8:35:15 GMT -5
Kyle Shanahan sounds like he’d be interested in Jimmy GaroppoloPosted by Michael David Smith on February 4, 2017, 5:40 AM EST On Sunday, Falcons offensive coordinator Kyle Shanahan and Patriots backup quarterback Jimmy Garoppolo will be on opposite sidelines in Super Bowl LI. Next season, could they be on the same team in San Francisco? Shanahan, the next head coach of the 49ers, told the Cleveland Plain Dealer that he liked Garoppolo heading into the 2014 NFL draft, when Shanahan was the Browns’ offensive coordinator and they chose Johnny Manziel in the first round. The Patriots took Garoppolo in the second round that year. Of course, it’s easy for Shanahan to say now that he liked Garoppolo better than Manziel. When a draft pick fails as spectacularly as Manziel, everyone in an organization is quick to deflect the blame. But Shanahan says he thought heading into the draft that Garoppolo was the real deal. “He was a very good thrower,” Shanahan said of Garoppolo. “Tough guy, kept his eyes down the field, could get rid of the ball fast. Really liked the person. Had a chance to go out to dinner with him and stuff. He played at Eastern Illinois, and it was a different type of offense where you can’t always evaluate with how quick they get rid of the ball. But I really thought he was a very intelligent, tough player with a good throwing motion.” How much would the 49ers be willing to give up in a trade to acquire Garoppolo from the Patriots? That remains to be seen. But the Patriots will undoubtedly field many offers for Garoppolo in the offseason. And one may come from the 49ers profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2017/02/04/kyle-shanahan-sounds-like-hed-be-interested-in-jimmy-garoppolo/
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Post by jets12 on Mar 1, 2017 9:38:04 GMT -5
Patriots not expected to trade Jimmy G.
Smart posters knew this for 2 years.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 1, 2017 9:39:14 GMT -5
Yeah, the logical people who think things through and see the big picture knew this three months ago. Being $65 million under the cap makes it even more obvious.
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Post by Chappion on Mar 1, 2017 9:49:08 GMT -5
Patriots not expected to trade Jimmy G. Smart posters knew this for 2 years. He's a nice insurance policy. I like it. Brady can't play forever. I am also of the belief that the 4 game suspension actually helped Brady this year. I would like to see them let Jimmy play a bit next season to reduce Brady's workload. I doubt Belichick would do it, but no need to overwork Brady at this stage, either.
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Post by Just Another Shem on Mar 1, 2017 9:54:42 GMT -5
Patriots not expected to trade Jimmy G. Smart posters knew this for 2 years. He's a nice insurance policy. I like it. Brady can't play forever. I am also of the belief that the 4 game suspension actually helped Brady this year. I would like to see them let Jimmy play a bit next season to reduce Brady's workload. I doubt Belichick would do it, but no need to overwork Brady at this stage, either. Unless Tom Brady retires or gets hurt between now and the draft, there is 100%... Here me? 100% chance that he is dealt before the draft is over. 100%
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Post by Deleted on Mar 1, 2017 10:00:52 GMT -5
He's a nice insurance policy. I like it. Brady can't play forever. I am also of the belief that the 4 game suspension actually helped Brady this year. I would like to see them let Jimmy play a bit next season to reduce Brady's workload. I doubt Belichick would do it, but no need to overwork Brady at this stage, either. Unless Tom Brady retires or gets hurt between now and the draft, there is 100%... Here me? 100% chance that he is dealt before the draft is over. 100% the only way i can see it is if the pats are blown away. say, both of clevelands #1's? a writer in cleveland was on 98.5 said he would give up that #1 for jimmy in a second. but i still think he sticks here, and he is the next guy. how many years did cassel backup here? 3-4?
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Post by Just Another Shem on Mar 1, 2017 10:05:02 GMT -5
Unless Tom Brady retires or gets hurt between now and the draft, there is 100%... Here me? 100% chance that he is dealt before the draft is over. 100% the only way i can see it is if the pats are blown away. say, both of clevelands #1's? a writer in cleveland was on 98.5 said he would give up that #1 for jimmy in a second. but i still think he sticks here, and he is the next guy. how many years did cassel backup here? 3-4? 12 months from now he is a free agent. Barring the Brady injury or retirement announcement, there are two scenarios if they don't trade him. He's going to take middling Patriots money to keep being a back-up when he's going to get bowled over with mega deals next off-season to be a starter. Bill is going to let him get away for nothing when he's got 1st round pick offers on the table. Which of these scenarios do you see happening?
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Post by Just Another Shem on Mar 1, 2017 10:10:40 GMT -5
Unless Tom Brady retires or gets hurt between now and the draft, there is 100%... Here me? 100% chance that he is dealt before the draft is over. 100% the only way i can see it is if the pats are blown away. say, both of clevelands #1's? a writer in cleveland was on 98.5 said he would give up that #1 for jimmy in a second. but i still think he sticks here, and he is the next guy. how many years did cassel backup here? 3-4? 4... Back then rookie deals were 5 years, not 4 like they are now. they traded him a year before free agency. Exactly like they're going to do with Garoppolo...
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Post by Chappion on Mar 1, 2017 10:10:49 GMT -5
He's a nice insurance policy. I like it. Brady can't play forever. I am also of the belief that the 4 game suspension actually helped Brady this year. I would like to see them let Jimmy play a bit next season to reduce Brady's workload. I doubt Belichick would do it, but no need to overwork Brady at this stage, either. Unless Tom Brady retires or gets hurt between now and the draft, there is 100%... Here me? 100% chance that he is dealt before the draft is over. 100% They have to spend some $$$ somewhere. An insurance policy for Brady isn't a bad place to do it. But if they can get a 1st rounder for Jimmy, I get that, too.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 1, 2017 10:20:12 GMT -5
the only way i can see it is if the pats are blown away. say, both of clevelands #1's? a writer in cleveland was on 98.5 said he would give up that #1 for jimmy in a second. but i still think he sticks here, and he is the next guy. how many years did cassel backup here? 3-4? 12 months from now he is a free agent. Barring the Brady injury or retirement announcement, there are two scenarios if they don't trade him. He's going to take middling Patriots money to keep being a back-up when he's going to get bowled over with mega deals next off-season to be a starter. Bill is going to let him get away for nothing when he's got 1st round pick offers on the table. Which of these scenarios do you see happening? i can see him being franchised. a ton of dough, but i can see it for a year. i think brady winds up in SF or AZ after next year. i think 2017 may be his last in NE. i really do. brady is no different from seymour, law, milloy, etc etc. yes, kraft says hes like a son...but...kraft is a businessman, and so is brady. they have brands to protect. imagine the marketing SF could do with brady there? hes not here til hes 45. he may be in the nfl, but not here. i think thats why jimmys staying.
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Post by Smuck on Mar 1, 2017 10:20:41 GMT -5
12 months from now he is a free agent. Barring the Brady injury or retirement announcement, there are two scenarios if they don't trade him. He's going to take middling Patriots money to keep being a back-up when he's going to get bowled over with mega deals next off-season to be a starter. Bill is going to let him get away for nothing when he's got 1st round pick offers on the table. Which of these scenarios do you see happening? i can see him being franchised. a ton of dough, but i can see it for a year. i think brady winds up in SF or AZ after next year. i think 2017 may be his last in NE. i really do. brady is no different from seymour, law, milloy, etc etc. yes, kraft says hes like a son...but...kraft is a businessman, and so is brady. they have brands to protect. imagine the marketing SF could do with brady there? hes not here til hes 45. he may be in the nfl, but not here. i think thats why jimmys staying. You're both wrong.
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Post by Just Another Shem on Mar 1, 2017 10:27:27 GMT -5
12 months from now he is a free agent. Barring the Brady injury or retirement announcement, there are two scenarios if they don't trade him. He's going to take middling Patriots money to keep being a back-up when he's going to get bowled over with mega deals next off-season to be a starter. Bill is going to let him get away for nothing when he's got 1st round pick offers on the table. Which of these scenarios do you see happening? i can see him being franchised. a ton of dough, but i can see it for a year. i think brady winds up in SF or AZ after next year. i think 2017 may be his last in NE. i really do. brady is no different from seymour, law, milloy, etc etc. yes, kraft says hes like a son...but...kraft is a businessman, and so is brady. they have brands to protect. imagine the marketing SF could do with brady there? hes not here til hes 45. he may be in the nfl, but not here. i think thats why jimmys staying. The guy has put up MVP numbers and slapped together the best two 4th quarters in Super Bowl history over the past 25 months. I'm sure the Patriots are in a real hurry to run him out of town...
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Post by Just Another Shem on Mar 1, 2017 10:30:14 GMT -5
i can see him being franchised. a ton of dough, but i can see it for a year. i think brady winds up in SF or AZ after next year. i think 2017 may be his last in NE. i really do. brady is no different from seymour, law, milloy, etc etc. yes, kraft says hes like a son...but...kraft is a businessman, and so is brady. they have brands to protect. imagine the marketing SF could do with brady there? hes not here til hes 45. he may be in the nfl, but not here. i think thats why jimmys staying. You're both wrong. 12 months ago you said they Patriots should be falling all over themselves to accept a trade for him if they were even offered a 3rd round pick. I think you even said you'd take a 4th. Today they're not trading him for a 1st and then some... For a guy who loves to spike the football, Smuck, you struggle like a motherfucker admitting when you're wrong.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 1, 2017 10:32:43 GMT -5
12 months from now he is a free agent. Barring the Brady injury or retirement announcement, there are two scenarios if they don't trade him. He's going to take middling Patriots money to keep being a back-up when he's going to get bowled over with mega deals next off-season to be a starter. Bill is going to let him get away for nothing when he's got 1st round pick offers on the table. Which of these scenarios do you see happening? i can see him being franchised. a ton of dough, but i can see it for a year. i think brady winds up in SF or AZ after next year. i think 2017 may be his last in NE. i really do. brady is no different from seymour, law, milloy, etc etc. yes, kraft says hes like a son...but...kraft is a businessman, and so is brady. they have brands to protect. imagine the marketing SF could do with brady there? hes not here til hes 45. he may be in the nfl, but not here. i think thats why jimmys staying. Bwady isn't going to play anywhere except New England. I'll put $500 on that right now.
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Post by Smuck on Mar 1, 2017 10:37:30 GMT -5
12 months ago you said they Patriots should be falling all over themselves to accept a trade for him if they were even offered a 3rd round pick. I think you even said you'd take a 4th. Today they're not trading him for a 1st and then some... For a guy who loves to spike the football, Smuck, you struggle like a motherfucker admitting when you're wrong. You're a fucking retard. When did I say they wouldn't trade him for a first? I said that they won't get offered a 1st and a 3rd, like you thought. If they get a first, take it and run before the other team changes their mind. On the off chance that they get that offer, take that shit. If they get offered a third and a third next year, fuck that shit. Keep the insurance. Oh btw, you're a fucking retard.
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Post by Just Another Shem on Mar 1, 2017 10:40:44 GMT -5
12 months ago you said they Patriots should be falling all over themselves to accept a trade for him if they were even offered a 3rd round pick. I think you even said you'd take a 4th. Today they're not trading him for a 1st and then some... For a guy who loves to spike the football, Smuck, you struggle like a motherfucker admitting when you're wrong. You're a fucking retard. When did I say they wouldn't trade him for a first? I said that they won't get offered a 1st and a 3rd, like you thought. If they get a first, take it and run before the other team changes their mind. On the off chance that they get that offer, take that shit. If they get offered a third and a third next year, fuck that shit. Keep the insurance. Oh btw, you're a fucking retard. That's what I meant. "they won't trade him for a 1st" was my way of saying "they won't get offered a 1st" I think it's wildly clear at this point that there are about 3 teams lining up to give them a 1st and then some. Name call all you want. I was right. You were wrong. Don't worry though, nobody else will call you on it. They're too busy looking for new ways to kiss your ass.
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Post by Smuck on Mar 1, 2017 10:42:40 GMT -5
You're a fucking retard. When did I say they wouldn't trade him for a first? I said that they won't get offered a 1st and a 3rd, like you thought. If they get a first, take it and run before the other team changes their mind. On the off chance that they get that offer, take that shit. If they get offered a third and a third next year, fuck that shit. Keep the insurance. Oh btw, you're a fucking retard. That's what I meant. "they won't trade him for a 1st" was my way of saying "they won't get offered a 1st" I think it's wildly clear at this point that there are about 3 teams lining up to give them a 1st and then some. Name call all you want. I was right. You were wrong. Don't worry though, nobody else will call you on it. They're too busy looking for new ways to kiss your ass. I'm not name calling. You are a fucking retard. If they get a first and a third, I will admit here that you were right. I'm not ashamed to admit when I'm wrong. Write that shit down, dumbass.
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Post by Just Another Shem on Mar 1, 2017 11:02:06 GMT -5
Now you're just straight fucking lying... Apologies, if I mischaracterized your stance. Let's say that their best offer is pick 34 in 2017, hypothetically. What do you think that they will do? I'd keep him before I gave him up for another less than a high 1st round pick (assuming a cost effective impact player isn't on the table in a trade) But I simply don't see a scenario where there aren't 3-4 teams lining up to give them a 1st round pick this draft. I just don't see it. In my mind, it's a given that they're getting offered a packaged headlined by a top 15 pick. That's simply a given, to me. So in that lens, I think there is no chance he's not getting traded. Because Brady isn't going anywhere. And the Patriots have no reason to want to move on from him. I don't see any scenario where Bill doesn't jizz in his pants at the notion of adding a 1st round pick to this team without subtracting any part of the team that just won the Super Bowl.
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Post by Just Another Shem on Mar 1, 2017 11:05:25 GMT -5
Bears, Browns, Niners, Texans, Cardinals are all teams I just can't see passing on Garoppolo for a #1.
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Post by Smuck on Mar 1, 2017 11:07:47 GMT -5
Apologies, if I mischaracterized your stance. Let's say that their best offer is pick 34 in 2017, hypothetically. What do you think that they will do? I'd keep him before I gave him up for another less than a high 1st round pick (assuming a cost effective impact player isn't on the table in a trade) But I simply don't see a scenario where there aren't 3-4 teams lining up to give them a 1st round pick this draft. I just don't see it. In my mind, it's a given that they're getting offered a packaged headlined by a top 15 pick. That's simply a given, to me. So in that lens, I think there is no chance he's not getting traded. Because Brady isn't going anywhere. And the Patriots have no reason to want to move on from him. I don't see any scenario where Bill doesn't jizz in his pants at the notion of adding a 1st round pick to this team without subtracting any part of the team that just won the Super Bowl. For fuck's sake. If they get offered a first rounder this year, it would be utter insanity to not take it. It seems that we are in agreement on that point. Agreed also on the potential to turn him into a helpful player (i.e., more than a special teams player). For a rotational DL, I probably wouldn't. A CB2, I probably would. Where we differ is that this is a certainty. I'd like to think that we get a first rounder for him, but it's not a given. And doubtful to me that it's a 2017 first rounder plus more. Any talk of him staying past 2017 is crazy. But if they get offered a couple of thirds, which is possible, I prefer the insurance.
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