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Post by Mr mastodon farm on Jan 13, 2017 17:10:40 GMT -5
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Post by lemiwinks on Jan 13, 2017 17:19:14 GMT -5
In 1968 there were 7 pitchers with ERA's under 2.00.....in 2001, Schilling was 2nd in MLB in ERA with a 2.98
different eras
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Post by Smuck on Jan 13, 2017 17:23:44 GMT -5
In 1968 there were 7 pitchers with ERA's under 2.00.....in 2001, Schilling was 2nd in MLB in ERA with a 2.98
different eras
Every time someone goes on about that Bob Gibson year (which was of course a great year), I try to point that shit out. League average ERA was probably under 3. Bunch of other guys under 2. Different time. |
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Post by Zig on Jan 13, 2017 17:29:18 GMT -5
In 1968 there were 7 pitchers with ERA's under 2.00.....in 2001, Schilling was 2nd in MLB in ERA with a 2.98
different eras
Every time someone goes on about that Bob Gibson year (which was of course a great year), I try to point that shit out. League average ERA was probably under 3. Bunch of other guys under 2. Different time. didnt they raise the mound that year? where's BigD when ya meed him? |
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Post by Smuck on Jan 13, 2017 17:34:29 GMT -5
Every time someone goes on about that Bob Gibson year (which was of course a great year), I try to point that shit out. League average ERA was probably under 3. Bunch of other guys under 2. Different time. didnt they raise the mound that year? where's BigD when ya meed him? Dont know when they raised it, but they lowered it after that year. |
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Post by Mr mastodon farm on Jan 16, 2017 10:47:11 GMT -5
Pudge to be the first known steroid "cheat" to make the HOF
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Post by tigertowner 68 on Jan 16, 2017 10:56:40 GMT -5
Pudge to be the first known steroid "cheat" to make the HOF "Allegedly"... I think he used, but no concrete evidence unless you just go by Canseco's book. Then again, one looks at that "Barroid" head prior to 2004 and you sure wonder. |
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Post by Mr mastodon farm on Jan 16, 2017 11:01:44 GMT -5
Pudge to be the first known steroid "cheat" to make the HOF "Allegedly"... I think he used, but no concrete evidence unless you just go by Canseco's book. Then again, one looks at that "Barroid" head prior to 2004 and you sure wonder. lost 20 lbs one offseason canseco's book has been pretty accurate |
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Post by tigertowner 68 on Jan 16, 2017 11:04:15 GMT -5
"Allegedly"... I think he used, but no concrete evidence unless you just go by Canseco's book. Then again, one looks at that "Barroid" head prior to 2004 and you sure wonder. lost 20 lbs one offseason canseco's book has been pretty accurate Word. But as stated, no concrete evidence. |
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Post by Mr mastodon farm on Jan 16, 2017 11:07:20 GMT -5
lost 20 lbs one offseason canseco's book has been pretty accurate Word. But as stated, no concrete evidence. Nope, but while he gets 1st ballot, Bagwell still waits with no concrete evidence either. |
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Post by Otis B. Driftwood on Jan 16, 2017 11:08:39 GMT -5
Pudge to be the first known steroid "cheat" to make the HOF Gotta start somewhere. |
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Post by Smuck on Jan 16, 2017 11:09:27 GMT -5
Word. But as stated, no concrete evidence. Nope, but while he gets 1st ballot, Bagwell still waits with no concrete evidence either. IMO, that's largely based on a new focus on defense. Some guys have already gotten in largely due to their defense of course, but defense is the new wave of "emphasis" with a lot of these guys now. Obviously, it has benefited a guy like Pudge. |
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Post by Mr mastodon farm on Jan 16, 2017 11:13:52 GMT -5
Nope, but while he gets 1st ballot, Bagwell still waits with no concrete evidence either. IMO, that's largely based on a new focus on defense. Some guys have already gotten in largely due to their defense of course, but defense is the new wave of "emphasis" with a lot of these guys now. Obviously, it has benefited a guy like Pudge. Too bad they weren't concerned about defense back when Frank White and Dwight Evans were on the ballot |
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Post by tigertowner 68 on Jan 16, 2017 11:18:48 GMT -5
IMO, that's largely based on a new focus on defense. Some guys have already gotten in largely due to their defense of course, but defense is the new wave of "emphasis" with a lot of these guys now. Obviously, it has benefited a guy like Pudge. Too bad they weren't concerned about defense back when Frank White and Dwight Evans were on the ballot Word. And Lou Whitaker, who never got even 25%. Don't get me started on Trammell. |
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Post by Zig on Jan 16, 2017 11:21:53 GMT -5
Pudge is one of (if not THEE) the best backstops of all time, he should get in
dirty cheater or no
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Post by Mr mastodon farm on Jan 16, 2017 11:23:10 GMT -5
Too bad they weren't concerned about defense back when Frank White and Dwight Evans were on the ballot Word. And Lou Whitaker, who never got even 25%. Don't get me started on Trammell. yep |
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Post by Smuck on Jan 16, 2017 11:23:54 GMT -5
Too bad they weren't concerned about defense back when Frank White and Dwight Evans were on the ballot Word. And Lou Whitaker, who never got even 25%. Don't get me started on Trammell. Word |
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Post by Mr mastodon farm on Jan 16, 2017 11:24:22 GMT -5
Pudge is one of (if not THEE) the best backstops of all time, he should get in dirty cheater or no and bonds is one of the greatest hitters of all time dirty cheater or no |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2017 11:26:32 GMT -5
Pudge is one of (if not THEE) the best backstops of all time, he should get in dirty cheater or no and bonds is one of the greatest hitters of all time dirty cheater or no Him and clemens get in by 2020. |
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Post by Zig on Jan 16, 2017 11:27:59 GMT -5
Pudge is one of (if not THEE) the best backstops of all time, he should get in dirty cheater or no and bonds is one of the greatest hitters of all time dirty cheater or no Yep agree with that |
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Post by Mr mastodon farm on Jan 16, 2017 11:29:16 GMT -5
and bonds is one of the greatest hitters of all time dirty cheater or no Yep agree with that and i agree with that |
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Post by Just Another Shem on Jan 16, 2017 12:01:35 GMT -5
Pudge is one of (if not THEE) the best backstops of all time, he should get in dirty cheater or no and bonds is one of the greatest hitters of all time dirty cheater or no THE greatest of all time... THEE greatest... It gives me absolutely zero pain whatsoever as a Red Sox fan to say that Barry Bonds was a better hitter than Ted Williams. I don't give a fiddler's fuck about how many steroids he did or didn't take. There was a two year stretch where NOBODY pitched to Bonds and he still averaged a HR once per every eight SWINGS.... not at bats... not at bats... a HR per every eight swings. When nobody threw him strikes. |
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Post by lemiwinks on Jan 16, 2017 16:10:23 GMT -5
Jason's Stark's ballot:  no problem with it, except for this......you are obviously not taking steroids into account(Bonds, Clemens, Bagwell, Pudge.) that is fine. Ton of roiders already in. so 1) how do you not vote Sosa in there? lead MLB in HRs twice years(and those weren't his THREE 60+ HRs years) RBIs 3 times, Total bases 3 times,runs 3 times.....over his 9 year prime, he AVERAGED 49 HRs and 127 RBIs.
and 2) Mussina? no....never one of the games best pitchers....just a bunch of good seasons compiled. He belongs with McGriff, Biggio, Baines, Tommy John, etc....... |
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Post by Mr mastodon farm on Jan 16, 2017 16:28:23 GMT -5
one guy went Walker / Vlad and nobody else
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Post by Smuck on Jan 16, 2017 16:32:55 GMT -5
Why Mussina, but not Schilling? Why Bagwell, but not Sheffield? I think Mussina was better than Schilling and far more durable There wasn't enough room for Sheffield, but he should get in. I also think Walker should get in I don't think that either Mussina or Schilling has the numbers. Schilling's ERA and K numbers are better, Mussina's wins numbers are better (in the regular season obviously). If you like the wins so much, you must have been a Porcello voter. |
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Post by Chappion on Jan 16, 2017 16:36:30 GMT -5
Why Mussina, but not Schilling? Why Bagwell, but not Sheffield? I think Mussina was better than Schilling and far more durable There wasn't enough room for Sheffield, but he should get in. I also think Walker should get in Does Schilling's postseason resume not help? Mussina was really good, just not quite HOF for me. I'd definitely put Sheffield in. He was an absolute terror. I think Walker gets hurt because of Coors Field, but he was a monster there. |
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Post by Just Another Shem on Jan 16, 2017 16:43:35 GMT -5
Jason's Stark's ballot: no problem with it, except for this......you are obviously not taking steroids into account(Bonds, Clemens, Bagwell, Pudge.) that is fine. Ton of roiders already in. so 1) how do you not vote Sosa in there? lead MLB in HRs twice years(and those weren't his THREE 60+ HRs years) RBIs 3 times, Total bases 3 times,runs 3 times.....over his 9 year prime, he AVERAGED 49 HRs and 127 RBIs.
and 2) Mussina? no....never one of the games best pitchers....just a bunch of good seasons compiled. He belongs with McGriff, Biggio, Baines, Tommy John, etc....... Your problem with this is Sosa and not Manny Ramirez? |
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Post by Just Another Shem on Jan 16, 2017 16:45:23 GMT -5
On Sammy Sosa's best day, he couldnt carry Manny's foot cream...
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Post by Chappion on Jan 16, 2017 16:47:29 GMT -5
Jason's Stark's ballot: no problem with it, except for this......you are obviously not taking steroids into account(Bonds, Clemens, Bagwell, Pudge.) that is fine. Ton of roiders already in. so 1) how do you not vote Sosa in there? lead MLB in HRs twice years(and those weren't his THREE 60+ HRs years) RBIs 3 times, Total bases 3 times,runs 3 times.....over his 9 year prime, he AVERAGED 49 HRs and 127 RBIs.
and 2) Mussina? no....never one of the games best pitchers....just a bunch of good seasons compiled. He belongs with McGriff, Biggio, Baines, Tommy John, etc....... Your problem with this is Sosa and not Manny Ramirez? Manny failed 2(?) drug tests? Sosa didn't. Manny was the better player, but I doubt eother gets in. |
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Post by lemiwinks on Jan 16, 2017 16:48:41 GMT -5
Jason's Stark's ballot: no problem with it, except for this......you are obviously not taking steroids into account(Bonds, Clemens, Bagwell, Pudge.) that is fine. Ton of roiders already in. so 1) how do you not vote Sosa in there? lead MLB in HRs twice years(and those weren't his THREE 60+ HRs years) RBIs 3 times, Total bases 3 times,runs 3 times.....over his 9 year prime, he AVERAGED 49 HRs and 127 RBIs.
and 2) Mussina? no....never one of the games best pitchers....just a bunch of good seasons compiled. He belongs with McGriff, Biggio, Baines, Tommy John, etc....... Your problem with this is Sosa and not Manny Ramirez? |
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