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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2016 16:43:48 GMT -5
I only feel it would be worse here if you guys happened to live near me and this situation. I think there is more Pro-Kaep feeling on this board than there is in the entire Bay Area. According to sports talk radio anyway... People just need a reason to be mad these days. Everything is offensive. I'm personally offended by Kaepernick's QB IQ.
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Post by mrpickles on Aug 29, 2016 16:44:30 GMT -5
I only feel it would be worse here if you guys happened to live near me and this situation. I think there is more Pro-Kaep feeling on this board than there is in the entire Bay Area. According to sports talk radio anyway... I dont watch or listen to the news. All ill say is this. Clearly black people feel there is sonething very wrong going on. I cant really relate and outside of the police issues, I dont really see it. But if that many people feel a certain way, there is something wrong. To bash or hate someone for standing up for themselves isnt something I can get behind. The people rioting and committing crimes in the name of injustice can all die for all I care though.
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Post by Zig on Aug 29, 2016 16:52:47 GMT -5
I only feel it would be worse here if you guys happened to live near me and this situation. I think there is more Pro-Kaep feeling on this board than there is in the entire Bay Area. According to sports talk radio anyway... I dont watch or listen to the news. All ill say is this. Clearly black people feel there is sonething very wrong going on. I cant really relate and outside of the police issues, I dont really see it. But if that many people feel a certain way, there is something wrong. To bash or hate someone for standing up for themselves isnt something I can get behind. The people rioting and committing crimes in the name of injustice can all die for all I care though. the last one that pissed off BLM was a black cop killing an armed felon who was black...they arent doing themselves any favors with how they react to this shit. They had a point with one or 2 of the cops killing of blacks but they think EVERY one of these killings by cops is just a racist cop wanting to kill blacks. The bad cops shoot whites and pets too,not a fucking race thing,they need better training.
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Post by The Bag on Aug 29, 2016 16:56:04 GMT -5
Philadelphia Eagles rookie linebacker Myke Tavarres plans to join Colin Kaepernick's protest and refuse to stand during the national anthem at upcoming games, he told ESPN. “We've got an issue in this country in this day and age, and I feel like somebody needs to step up and we all need to step up,” Tavarres said. “We've got that right. There's just a lot going on that people don't want to talk about, and I feel like us as athletes, we're looked at as role models. And I feel like with Colin Kaepernick, he's doing a great job for standing up in what he believes in, and most people may not like that, but that's his opinion, he's entitled to it, and I respect him for doing it.” “I'm a rookie free agent, haven't signed any major contract, so there's not a lot of money on the line, I don't have any big endorsement deals on the line,” he added. “Really what's at stake is my pride and what kind of man would I be and what kind of African-American would I be if I didn't stand my ground on this issue we have today?” He will be unemployed by week one.
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Post by The Bag on Aug 29, 2016 16:58:02 GMT -5
Tell Jackie to get out of the good old U S of A. Yeah cuz Colin Kaepernick and Jackie Robinson are the same guy, lolol.. I wonder how many other posters will see this as the troll bait that it is... They aren't the same, but comparable scenarios. Jackie is considered a hero against racism, Kap should leave the country.
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Post by The Bag on Aug 29, 2016 17:04:06 GMT -5
I only feel it would be worse here if you guys happened to live near me and this situation. I think there is more Pro-Kaep feeling on this board than there is in the entire Bay Area. According to sports talk radio anyway... I dont watch or listen to the news. All ill say is this. Clearly black people feel there is sonething very wrong going on. I cant really relate and outside of the police issues, I dont really see it. But if that many people feel a certain way, there is something wrong. To bash or hate someone for standing up for themselves isnt something I can get behind. The people rioting and committing crimes in the name of injustice can all die for all I care though. Word. I'm fine with him peacefully making his stand, regardless if I agree.
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Post by bigddude on Aug 29, 2016 17:11:28 GMT -5
I only feel it would be worse here if you guys happened to live near me and this situation. I think there is more Pro-Kaep feeling on this board than there is in the entire Bay Area. According to sports talk radio anyway... I dont watch or listen to the news. All ill say is this. Clearly black people feel there is sonething very wrong going on. I cant really relate and outside of the police issues, I dont really see it. But if that many people feel a certain way, there is something wrong. To bash or hate someone for standing up for themselves isnt something I can get behind. The people rioting and committing crimes in the name of injustice can all die for all I care though. It's not that you have an issue. It is how you deal with your issue, and how you go about getting your point across.
And, wrecking things, especially to one you live in is never the way to go. Neither is stealing (looting) from people who had no direct connection to the issue you are upset about.
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Post by The Bag on Aug 29, 2016 18:03:22 GMT -5
Long, but interesting read by a veteran on the Kaepernick thing.
"I am not going to stand up to show pride in a flag for a country that oppresses black people and people of color. To me, this is bigger than football and it would be selfish on my part to look the other way. There are bodies in the street and people getting paid leave and getting away with murder."
I've been away from the internet all day.
I came home from a family picnic on the Blackwater River to find my inbox, as usual, overflowing like a ripe Port-O-Pottie.
One of the first messages I read was about 49ers quarterback Colin Kaepernick, quoted above, who last Friday night at the beginning of a preseason game suddenly decided to become the most hated man in America du jour by deliberately not standing for the National Anthem.
Yes, that's right, a football player didn't stand for the National Anthem.
As you know, this means Kaepernick is scum, a horrible human being, a likely member of ISIS, a Muslim terrorist, a black thug, a communist, a socialist (and not the cool share your weed Bernie Sanders kind of socialist but the Red Brigade kind of Socialist who sleeps under a poster of Chairman Mao), a radical, a Black Panther, and he probably has Fidel Castro's phone number in his contact favorites.
Yeah. Okay.
I answered the message and went on to the next one.
The next message was about Kaepernick. As was the next one. And the next one. And...
They all begin pretty much the same way: Jim, AS A VETERAN, what do you think about this? Well?
Let me answer all the messages at once __________
AS A VETERAN, what do I think about Colin Kaepernick's decision to sit during the National Anthem?
As a veteran?
Very well, as a veteran then, this is what I believe:
The very first thing I learned in the military is this: Respect is a two-way street. If you want respect, true respect, sincere respect, then you have to GIVE IT.
If you want respect, you have to do the things necessary to earn it each and every single day. There are no short cuts and no exceptions.
Respect cannot be compelled.
Respect cannot be bought.
Respect cannot be inherited.
Respect cannot be demanded at the muzzle of a gun or by beating it into somebody or by shaming them into it. Can not. You might get what you think is respect, but it's not. It's only the appearance of respect. It's fear, it's groveling, it's not respect. Far, far too many people both in and out of the military, people who should emphatically know better, do not understand this simple fact: there is an enormous difference between fear and respect.
Respect has to be earned.
Respect. Has. To. Be. Earned.
Respect has to be earned every day, by every word, by every action.
It takes a lifetime of words and deeds to earn respect.
It takes only one careless word, one thoughtless action, to lose it.
You have to be worthy of respect. You have to live up to, or at least do your best to live up to, those high ideals -- the ones America supposedly embodies, that shining city on the hill, that exceptional nation we talk about, yes, that one. To earn respect you have to be fair. You have to have courage. You must embrace reason. You have to know when to hold the line and when to compromise. You have to take responsibility and hold yourself accountable. You have to keep your word. You have to give respect, true respect, to get it back.
There are no short cuts. None.
Now, any veteran worth the label should know that. If they don't, then likely they weren't much of a soldier to begin with and you can tell them I said so.
IF Kaepernick doesn't feel his country respects him enough for him to respect it in return, well, then you can't MAKE him respect it.
You can not make him respect it.
If you try to force a man to respect you, you'll only make him respect you less.
With threats, by violence, by shame, you can maybe compel Kaepernick to stand up and put his hand over his heart and force him to be quiet. You might.
But that's not respect.
It's only the illusion of respect.
You might force this man into the illusion of respect. You might. Would you be satisfied then? Would that make you happy? Would that make you respect your nation, the one which forced a man into the illusion of respect, a nation of little clockwork patriots all pretending satisfaction and respect? Is that what you want? If THAT's what matters to you, the illusion of respect, then you're not talking about freedom or liberty. You're not talking about the United States of America. Instead you're talking about every dictatorship from the Nazis to North Korea where people are lined up and MADE to salute with the muzzle of a gun pressed to the back of their necks.
That, that illusion of respect, is not why I wore a uniform.
That's not why I held up my right hand and swore the oath and put my life on the line for my country.
That, that illusion of respect, is not why I am a veteran.
Not so a man should be forced to show respect he doesn't feel.
That's called slavery and I have no respect for that at all.
If Americans want this man to respect America, then first they must respect him.
If America wants the world's respect, it must be worthy of respect.
America must be worthy of respect. Torture, rendition, indefinite detention, unarmed black men shot down in the street every day, poverty, inequality, voter suppression, racism, bigotry in every form, obstructionism, blind patriotism, NONE of those things are worthy of respect from anybody -- least of all an American.
But doesn't it also mean that if Kaepernick wants respect, he must give it first? Give it to America? Be worthy of respect himself? Stand up, shut up, and put his hand over his heart before Old Glory?
No. It doesn't.
Respect doesn't work that way.
Power flows from positive to negative. Electricity flows from greater potential to lesser.
The United States isn't a person, it's a vast construct, a framework of law and order and civilization designed to protect the weak from the ruthless and after more than two centuries of revision and refinement it exists to provide in equal measure for all of us the opportunity for life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. The United States is POWER.
All the power rests with America. Just as it does in the military chain of command. And like that chain of command, like the electrical circuit described above, respect must flow from greater to lesser FIRST before it can return.
To you the National Anthem means one thing, to Kaepernick it means something else. We are all shaped and defined by our experiences and we see the world through our own eyes. That's freedom. That's liberty. The right to believe differently. The right to protest as you will. The right to demand better. The right to believe your country can BE better, that it can live up to its sacred ideals, and the right to loudly note that it has NOT. The right to use your voice, your actions, to bring attention to the things you believe in. The right to want more for others, freedom, liberty, justice, equality, and RESPECT.
A true veteran might not agree with Colin Kaepernick, but a true veteran would fight to the death to protect his right to say what he believes.
You don't like what Kaepernick has to say? Then prove him wrong, BE the nation he can respect.
It's really just that simple.
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Post by Peter Gozintite on Aug 29, 2016 19:39:50 GMT -5
I only feel it would be worse here if you guys happened to live near me and this situation. I think there is more Pro-Kaep feeling on this board than there is in the entire Bay Area. According to sports talk radio anyway... This is like the least anyone has ever done for a protest or to make a statement. Go out and fucking do something if you want to fix problems. He is literally sitting, that is nothing, and it has nothing to with what he says he wants to change. If you want to make change, get off your fucking ass and do something, ugly muppet looking mother fucker.
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Post by Canuck eh? on Aug 29, 2016 19:42:31 GMT -5
I only feel it would be worse here if you guys happened to live near me and this situation. I think there is more Pro-Kaep feeling on this board than there is in the entire Bay Area. According to sports talk radio anyway... This is like the least anyone has ever done for a protest or to make a statement. Go out and fucking do something if you want to fix problems. He is literally sitting, that is nothing, and it has nothing to with what he says he wants to change. If you want to make change, get off your fucking ass and do something, ugly muppet looking mother fucker. LMFAO - I thought it was just me.
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Post by redseat on Aug 30, 2016 6:32:59 GMT -5
Well it's not letting put the actual Tweet in there but this is a tweet from Drew Brees: "Like, it's an oxymoron ... disrespecting that flag that has given you the freedom to speak out." —Drew Brees "I disagree. I wholeheartedly disagree," Brees told ESPN. "Not that he wants to speak out about a very important issue. No, he can speak out about a very important issue. But there's plenty of other ways that you can do that in a peaceful manner that doesn't involve being disrespectful to the American flag. "The great thing about this country is that we have the freedoms that allow you to speak out openly about any issue. So I'm not commenting on the issue itself because any person has the right to speak out on any issue they want. That's the great thing about being an American. But the American flag is what represents those freedoms. It represents the very freedom that Colin Kaepernick gets the opportunity to exercise by speaking out his opinion in a peaceful manner about that issue. … "Like, it's an oxymoron that you're sitting down, disrespecting that flag that has given you the freedom to speak out." www.espn.com/blog/new-orleans-saints/post/_/id/23063/drew-brees-wholeheartedly-disagrees-with-colin-kaepernicks-method-of-protest
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Post by mrpickles on Aug 30, 2016 7:12:28 GMT -5
Well it's not letting put the actual Tweet in there but this is a tweet from Drew Brees: "Like, it's an oxymoron ... disrespecting that flag that has given you the freedom to speak out." —Drew Brees "I disagree. I wholeheartedly disagree," Brees told ESPN. "Not that he wants to speak out about a very important issue. No, he can speak out about a very important issue. But there's plenty of other ways that you can do that in a peaceful manner that doesn't involve being disrespectful to the American flag. "The great thing about this country is that we have the freedoms that allow you to speak out openly about any issue. So I'm not commenting on the issue itself because any person has the right to speak out on any issue they want. That's the great thing about being an American. But the American flag is what represents those freedoms. It represents the very freedom that Colin Kaepernick gets the opportunity to exercise by speaking out his opinion in a peaceful manner about that issue. … "Like, it's an oxymoron that you're sitting down, disrespecting that flag that has given you the freedom to speak out." www.espn.com/blog/new-orleans-saints/post/_/id/23063/drew-brees-wholeheartedly-disagrees-with-colin-kaepernicks-method-of-protestIve grown tired of this topic already.
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Post by The Bag on Aug 30, 2016 7:51:55 GMT -5
Well it's not letting put the actual Tweet in there but this is a tweet from Drew Brees: "Like, it's an oxymoron ... disrespecting that flag that has given you the freedom to speak out." —Drew Brees "I disagree. I wholeheartedly disagree," Brees told ESPN. "Not that he wants to speak out about a very important issue. No, he can speak out about a very important issue. But there's plenty of other ways that you can do that in a peaceful manner that doesn't involve being disrespectful to the American flag. "The great thing about this country is that we have the freedoms that allow you to speak out openly about any issue. So I'm not commenting on the issue itself because any person has the right to speak out on any issue they want. That's the great thing about being an American. But the American flag is what represents those freedoms. It represents the very freedom that Colin Kaepernick gets the opportunity to exercise by speaking out his opinion in a peaceful manner about that issue. … "Like, it's an oxymoron that you're sitting down, disrespecting that flag that has given you the freedom to speak out." www.espn.com/blog/new-orleans-saints/post/_/id/23063/drew-brees-wholeheartedly-disagrees-with-colin-kaepernicks-method-of-protestIve grown tired of this topic already. Word. Was tired of it by dinnertime. One of those topics where imo there is no right or wrong answer. It's ok bc of his freedom of speech/protest. It's wrong bc hes disrespecting country/flag that gave him the right to speech/protest. Total stalemate. Move on to the next nonsense nfl issue.
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Post by Mr mastodon farm on Aug 30, 2016 10:39:23 GMT -5
Rodney Harrison appeared on “The Proper Gentlemen of Sports” show on Houston’s SportsTalk 790 on Tuesday morning to talk about Colin Kaepernick. Harrison said he thought Kaepernick’s heart was in the right place, but then espoused that Kaepernick doesn’t know what it’s like to be black.
“Colin Kaepernick, he’s not black, OK? He cannot understand what I face and what other young black men and black people face or people of color face on an every single basis.”
This seems like an odd point to try and make. Kaepernick was raised by a white family and his biological mother is white, but his biological father is black. (President Obama also has a black father and white mother.) We’ve seen some examples in the past of media members criticizing Kaepernick for tattoos or backwards hats and those criticisms have been met with cries of racism. You’d have to ask Kaepernick if at any point in the last 28 years he’s been treated like he’s black at the grocery store or Foot Locker or anywhere else.
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Post by HemroidB on Aug 30, 2016 10:41:06 GMT -5
Rodney Harrison appeared on “The Proper Gentlemen of Sports” show on Houston’s SportsTalk 790 on Tuesday morning to talk about Colin Kaepernick. Harrison said he thought Kaepernick’s heart was in the right place, but then espoused that Kaepernick doesn’t know what it’s like to be black. “Colin Kaepernick, he’s not black, OK? He cannot understand what I face and what other young black men and black people face or people of color face on an every single basis.” This seems like an odd point to try and make. Kaepernick was raised by a white family and his biological mother is white, but his biological father is black. (President Obama also has a black father and white mother.) We’ve seen some examples in the past of media members criticizing Kaepernick for tattoos or backwards hats and those criticisms have been met with cries of racism. You’d have to ask Kaepernick if at any point in the last 28 years he’s been treated like he’s black at the grocery store or Foot Locker or anywhere else. Rodney tackled with his head a whole bunch, didn't he...
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Post by Mr mastodon farm on Aug 30, 2016 11:02:52 GMT -5
Rodney Harrison appeared on “The Proper Gentlemen of Sports” show on Houston’s SportsTalk 790 on Tuesday morning to talk about Colin Kaepernick. Harrison said he thought Kaepernick’s heart was in the right place, but then espoused that Kaepernick doesn’t know what it’s like to be black. “Colin Kaepernick, he’s not black, OK? He cannot understand what I face and what other young black men and black people face or people of color face on an every single basis.” This seems like an odd point to try and make. Kaepernick was raised by a white family and his biological mother is white, but his biological father is black. (President Obama also has a black father and white mother.) We’ve seen some examples in the past of media members criticizing Kaepernick for tattoos or backwards hats and those criticisms have been met with cries of racism. You’d have to ask Kaepernick if at any point in the last 28 years he’s been treated like he’s black at the grocery store or Foot Locker or anywhere else. Rodney tackled with his head a whole bunch, didn't he... white adoptive parents white mom the only black guy in his life dumped him
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Post by The Bag on Aug 30, 2016 15:08:28 GMT -5
Kaepernick to the Vikings for a conditional 5th round picked "He's about to be cut, but let's trade for that awful contract".
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Post by The Bag on Aug 30, 2016 17:30:17 GMT -5
Rodney Harrison on Kaepernick
"I tell you this, I'm a black man. And Colin Kaepernick — he's not black," Harrison said. "He can not understand what I face and what other young black men and black people face, or people of color face, on a every single (day) basis. When you walk in a grocery store, and you might have $2,000 or $3,000 in your pocket and you go up in to a Foot Locker and they're looking at you like you about to steal something.
You know, I don't think he faces those type of things that we face on a daily basis."
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Post by HemroidB on Aug 30, 2016 17:31:50 GMT -5
Rodney Harrison on Kaepernick "I tell you this, I'm a black man. And Colin Kaepernick — he's not black," Harrison said. "He can not understand what I face and what other young black men and black people face, or people of color face, on a every single (day) basis. When you walk in a grocery store, and you might have $2,000 or $3,000 in your pocket and you go up in to a Foot Locker and they're looking at you like you about to steal something. You know, I don't think he faces those type of things that we face on a daily basis." Not only are you redseating this but since the dumbass has apologized for his dumbass comments.
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Post by The Bag on Aug 30, 2016 17:34:16 GMT -5
Rodney Harrison on Kaepernick "I tell you this, I'm a black man. And Colin Kaepernick — he's not black," Harrison said. "He can not understand what I face and what other young black men and black people face, or people of color face, on a every single (day) basis. When you walk in a grocery store, and you might have $2,000 or $3,000 in your pocket and you go up in to a Foot Locker and they're looking at you like you about to steal something. You know, I don't think he faces those type of things that we face on a daily basis." Not only are you redseating this but since the dumbass has apologized for his dumbass comments. Sorry. If I was a hardcore message boarder, I'd have seen it the first time. And it makes it ok bc he apologized?? His reaction was "I didnt know he was biracial". Bad news, that's even worse.
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Post by Zig on Aug 30, 2016 17:41:53 GMT -5
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Post by Super Paul Mullin on Aug 30, 2016 17:45:37 GMT -5
Word. This is some ISIS guy that just got killed. I see the resemblance.
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Post by HemroidB on Aug 30, 2016 17:45:45 GMT -5
Holy shit..he really does! No wonder he wouldn't stand!!!
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Post by Otis B. Driftwood on Aug 30, 2016 19:00:55 GMT -5
Niners play in San Diego Thursday night... home to one of the most populous military contingents in the country and home of the Navy Seals.
I thing Kaepernick is going to hear it. Might have to watch this one.
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Post by HemroidB on Aug 30, 2016 19:01:58 GMT -5
Niners play in San Diego Thursday night... home to one of the most populous military contingents in the country and home of the Navy Seals. I thing Kaepernick is going to hear it. Might have to watch this one. Yeah they'll be extra aggie. "You insulted my country my brothers died for, bro!!"
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Post by Peter Gozintite on Aug 31, 2016 20:40:49 GMT -5
Holy shit..he really does! No wonder he wouldn't stand!!!
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Post by Otis B. Driftwood on Sept 1, 2016 7:25:50 GMT -5
Colin Kaepernick must not want to play football any more. To be fair, he wasn't playing anyway. Because, you know... he sucks.
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Post by Otis B. Driftwood on Sept 1, 2016 7:27:35 GMT -5
Kaepernick sure has a lot of people pissed off this morning. Exactly what he wanted. Kaep is winning. Yep. Soon-to-be 3rd string QB made sure he continues to have visibility. His sponsors approve. Does he still have sponsors?
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Post by Otis B. Driftwood on Sept 1, 2016 7:29:36 GMT -5
#Profiling Not that I disapprove mind you...
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Post by Zig on Sept 1, 2016 8:00:47 GMT -5
#Profiling Not that I disapprove mind you... Just a joke but for real if I didnt know and had to guess I would guess he was middle eastern/arabic, something like that. Rodney got blasted for saying Kaep wasnt black...I only know he's half black because I recently read that.
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