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Post by Swamp Dragon on Mar 3, 2015 20:29:08 GMT -5
First he releases DeSean Jackson for NOTHING. Now he trades away LeSean McCoy for some former Oregon Duck linebacker who didn't even play a snap of football last year. And god only knows how many 1st round draft picks he's going to give up to get Mariotta in the draft. Fuck Chip Kelly. And fuck his Oregon Duck nepotism. That is all. I actually like this deal they get rid of a too large contract and get a LB that was a top rookie and was supposed to be what they base their D around last year till he went down with the ACL. If they end up with Spiller as well they will have made a pretty good trade off And no one would take MeSean off his hands last season Getting rid of Reid's country club atmosphere will pay off in the long run |
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Post by Swamp Dragon on Mar 3, 2015 20:42:39 GMT -5
First he releases DeSean Jackson for NOTHING. Now he trades away LeSean McCoy for some former Oregon Duck linebacker who didn't even play a snap of football last year. And god only knows how many 1st round draft picks he's going to give up to get Mariota in the draft. Fuck Chip Kelly. And fuck his Oregon Duck nepotism. That is all. Worked out okay for my USCHawks
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Post by tigertowner 68 on Mar 3, 2015 21:03:26 GMT -5
First he releases DeSean Jackson for NOTHING. Now he trades away LeSean McCoy for some former Oregon Duck linebacker who didn't even play a snap of football last year. And god only knows how many 1st round draft picks he's going to give up to get Mariotta in the draft. Fuck Chip Kelly. And fuck his Oregon Duck nepotism. That is all. Don't blame you. McCoy is an all-around threat. Catches as well as he runs out of the backfield. Arguably the best RB in the NFL and still young enough to have 3-4 more great seasons. Kelly clearly wants to re-invent the wheel. Detroit has better LBs than Alonso. The Lions would be seem nuts to give up DeAndre Levy but given that they could re-up Stephen Tulloch if they lost Levy, I'd have made that offer if I were Mayhew (Lions GM). That said, I doubt that the Lions were in the mix at all. Kelly wanted his "Duck" and got him. Nepotism indeed. I'd be as mad as you. |
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Post by Swamp Dragon on Mar 3, 2015 21:15:08 GMT -5
First he releases DeSean Jackson for NOTHING. Now he trades away LeSean McCoy for some former Oregon Duck linebacker who didn't even play a snap of football last year. And god only knows how many 1st round draft picks he's going to give up to get Mariotta in the draft. Fuck Chip Kelly. And fuck his Oregon Duck nepotism. That is all. Don't blame you. McCoy is an all-around threat. Catches as well as he runs out of the backfield. Arguably the best RB in the NFL and still young enough to have 3-4 more great seasons. Kelly clearly wants to re-invent the wheel. Detroit has better LBs than Alonso. The Lions would be seem nuts to give up DeAndre Levy but given that they could re-up Stephen Tulloch if they lost Levy, I'd have made that offer if I were Mayhew (Lions GM). That said, I doubt that the Lions were in the mix at all. Kelly wanted his "Duck" and got him. Nepotism indeed. I'd be as mad as you. I'll give that Levy had a GREAT season last year but Alonzo was the defensive RoY and was injured before training camp lasr season and should be 100% at mini camp. He is a sideline to sideline ILB and there are few of them around. RB's are dime a dozen They also pick up over 8M in cap space and they after resigning Maclin still have a few holes to fill |
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Post by tigertowner 68 on Mar 3, 2015 21:24:24 GMT -5
Don't blame you. McCoy is an all-around threat. Catches as well as he runs out of the backfield. Arguably the best RB in the NFL and still young enough to have 3-4 more great seasons. Kelly clearly wants to re-invent the wheel. Detroit has better LBs than Alonso. The Lions would be seem nuts to give up DeAndre Levy but given that they could re-up Stephen Tulloch if they lost Levy, I'd have made that offer if I were Mayhew (Lions GM). That said, I doubt that the Lions were in the mix at all. Kelly wanted his "Duck" and got him. Nepotism indeed. I'd be as mad as you. I'll give that Levy had a GREAT season last year but Alonzo was the defensive RoY and was injured before training camp lasr season and should be 100% at mini camp. He is a sideline to sideline ILB and there are few of them around. RB's are dime a dozen They also pick up over 8M in cap space and they after resigning Maclin still have a few holes to fill True about most RBs Swampy, but McCoy is not any RB...and 8M in cap space is "chump change". Look at the Lions with Suh. They must have at least doubled or tripled the cap space that the Eagles gained in the McCoy transaction if they cannot re-sign Suh. And they wont. |
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Post by Leader O'Cola on Mar 3, 2015 21:46:54 GMT -5
Nonsensical trade, tho moving mccoy isnt a bad idea
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Post by Swamp Dragon on Mar 3, 2015 22:05:08 GMT -5
I'll give that Levy had a GREAT season last year but Alonzo was the defensive RoY and was injured before training camp lasr season and should be 100% at mini camp. He is a sideline to sideline ILB and there are few of them around. RB's are dime a dozen They also pick up over 8M in cap space and they after resigning Maclin still have a few holes to fill True about most RBs Swampy, but McCoy is not any RB...and 8M in cap space is "chump change". Look at the Lions with Suh. They must have at least doubled or tripled the cap space that the Eagles gained in the McCoy transaction if they cannot re-sign Suh. And they wont. True that and I agree they should have transition tagged him (it's like a trade) but he's a merc like Revis. The Lions are probably the one last team that has been screwed by the old rookie system with 3 top 3 picks still on their roster. This was inevitable |
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Post by tigertowner 68 on Mar 3, 2015 23:16:08 GMT -5
True about most RBs Swampy, but McCoy is not any RB...and 8M in cap space is "chump change". Look at the Lions with Suh. They must have at least doubled or tripled the cap space that the Eagles gained in the McCoy transaction if they cannot re-sign Suh. And they wont. True that and I agree they should have transition tagged him (it's like a trade) but he's a merc like Revis. The Lions are probably the one last team that has been screwed by the old rookie system with 3 top 3 picks still on their roster. This was inevitable The absolute truth there my man. Much as they piss me off...they were victim to the old rookie system worse than any other team. So TAKE THE GAWDAMMNED draft picks dummies. Oh, no, we will sign him. NO you wont. f--ktards! |
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Post by Swamp Dragon on Mar 3, 2015 23:25:19 GMT -5
True that and I agree they should have transition tagged him (it's like a trade) but he's a merc like Revis. The Lions are probably the one last team that has been screwed by the old rookie system with 3 top 3 picks still on their roster. This was inevitable The absolute truth there my man. Much as they piss me off...they were victim to the old rookie system worse than any other team. So TAKE THE GAWDAMMNED draft picks dummies. Oh, no, we will sign him. NO you wont. f--ktards! Yes that part (no transition tag) blew me away |
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Post by dyhard on Mar 4, 2015 0:26:26 GMT -5
see, McCoy was going to be over $11m cap hit, Alonzo is only a little under $2m cap hit. so that frees up $9-10m in cap space, they can sign Spiller, still have a quality RB and still have some space in cap, take a hit at RB but Alonzo helps the D and can be there for some years. he was the D rookie of the year in his 1st season, then tore his ACL before training camp, only question mark is how will the ACL hold up and will he get back to his rookie year performance? I think it's a chance I'd be willing to take if I was Philly
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Post by Swamp Dragon on Mar 4, 2015 0:26:58 GMT -5
And you know McCoy can run in that December Buffalo weather
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Post by Swamp Dragon on Mar 4, 2015 2:44:44 GMT -5
First he releases DeSean Jackson for NOTHING. Now he trades away LeSean McCoy for some former Oregon Duck linebacker who didn't even play a snap of football last year. And god only knows how many 1st round draft picks he's going to give up to get Mariotta in the draft. Fuck Chip Kelly. And fuck his Oregon Duck nepotism. That is all. Vinnie Iyer agrees with me tablet.sportingnews.com/2015-03-04/sn-mccoy-alonso-trade.html |
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Post by Macho Row on Mar 4, 2015 5:07:34 GMT -5
I get the reasons behind the trade. I saw it coming a while ago. Trading him in and of itself is where I have a problem.
First of all you're getting a guy with 2 major knee injuries within 5 years. Also I heard he was suspended after one game of a season while at Oregon, I'm not sure if that was the knee injury and it's miscommunication or of it was a legit suspension. Granted the kid appears he can play at this level and if 100% healthy could be a player, but why is it Patrick Chung is an all pro caliber player with NE and dog shit with the Eagles.
2ndly that's all you could get out of Buffalo for Shady? Seriously? You couldn't get them to even throw in a 4th rounder for one of the most exciting players in the league when he has the ball in his hands?
It coupled with a few of their other moves proves to me they're all in for MM. Free up as much cap space as possible to bring in as many free agents as possible because your're trading the farm to move up and get the kid. Could this be a move 10 years from now we look at and say "man, sure glad we did that?". Absolutely it could. I hope I have egg all over my face for decades about this. But it sure wreaks of Ditka's Saints tenure mixed in with Spurriers 'Skins tenure.
Instead of keeping productive players, they're letting the walk/sending them packing to save money and turning positions of strength quickly into positions of need or at very best unknowns.
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Post by Otis B. Driftwood on Mar 4, 2015 10:11:35 GMT -5
One thing for sure... This WILL be Chip Kelly's team. For better - or for worse.
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Post by dyhard on Mar 4, 2015 10:50:33 GMT -5
I get the reasons behind the trade. I saw it coming a while ago. Trading him in and of itself is where I have a problem. First of all you're getting a guy with 2 major knee injuries within 5 years. Also I heard he was suspended after one game of a season while at Oregon, I'm not sure if that was the knee injury and it's miscommunication or of it was a legit suspension. Granted the kid appears he can play at this level and if 100% healthy could be a player, but why is it Patrick Chung is an all pro caliber player with NE and dog shit with the Eagles. 2ndly that's all you could get out of Buffalo for Shady? Seriously? You couldn't get them to even throw in a 4th rounder for one of the most exciting players in the league when he has the ball in his hands? It coupled with a few of their other moves proves to me they're all in for MM. Free up as much cap space as possible to bring in as many free agents as possible because your're trading the farm to move up and get the kid. Could this be a move 10 years from now we look at and say "man, sure glad we did that?". Absolutely it could. I hope I have egg all over my face for decades about this. But it sure wreaks of Ditka's Saints tenure mixed in with Spurriers 'Skins tenure. Instead of keeping productive players, they're letting the walk/sending them packing to save money and turning positions of strength quickly into positions of need or at very best unknowns. well, it makes sense that they're freeing up cap space. if they can get Courtney or the Seahawks CB (forgot the name), re-sign Maclin, get Mariota and they're 1 of 5 teams rumored for Andre Johnson, why not? plus, they have over $40m in cap space right now, setting them up prime speaking of Andre Johnson, the Packers are also part of the 5 teams rumored - Colts, Seahawks, Patriots are others - but if they sign Cobb, what's the point? 1 writer mentioned signing both but why over crowd WR? Cobb/Nelson/Adams/Johnson? Seems too busy. if they can't sign Cobb then they gotta go after Johnson imo. if Philly lets Maclin go, tries for Cobb, GB should snatch Maclin if they can. Maclin and Nelson would be huge |
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Post by Swamp Dragon on Mar 4, 2015 11:32:07 GMT -5
I actually like this deal they get rid of a too large contract and get a LB that was a top rookie and was supposed to be what they base their D around last year till he went down with the ACL. If they end up with Spiller as well they will have made a pretty good trade off And no one would take MeSean off his hands last season Getting rid of Reid's country club atmosphere will pay off in the long run I wouldn't hate the trade so much: - IF Kiko Alonso wasn't coming off a major knee injury -and- - IF Kiko Alonso wasn't a former Oregon Duck The kid is only 24 years old and clearly talented. But talent doesn't mean shit to me if the guy can't stay on the field. He played EVERY defensive snap the season before they were comparing him to Luke Kuechly and Bobby Wagner |
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Post by Otis B. Driftwood on Mar 4, 2015 11:39:39 GMT -5
One thing for sure... This WILL be Chip Kelly's team. For better - or for worse. IMO when you hire a coach out of college football there should be one stipulation made: We're not drafting, signing, or trading for any players that you coached in college. Completely kill off any potential nepotism. Other than that have at it. And if you can't coach players from the ridiculously large remaining talent pool, then you ain't much of a coach to begin with. As a Cowboys fan who lost his ever loving mind when Jimmy Johnson traded Herschel Walker for a bag of beans.... I preach patience my friend. Never know where the road leads. |
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Post by Swamp Dragon on Mar 4, 2015 11:43:48 GMT -5
One thing for sure... This WILL be Chip Kelly's team. For better - or for worse. IMO when you hire a coach out of college football there should be one stipulation made: We're not drafting, signing, or trading for any players that you coached in college. Completely kill off any potential nepotism. Other than that have at it. And if you can't coach players from the ridiculously large remaining talent pool, then you ain't much of a coach to begin with. NFL coaches do it too they want 'their guys' . Guys they know gets their system. As I said before it worked for my USCHawks
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Post by dyhard on Mar 4, 2015 12:12:03 GMT -5
One thing for sure... This WILL be Chip Kelly's team. For better - or for worse. IMO when you hire a coach out of college football there should be one stipulation made: We're not drafting, signing, or trading for any players that you coached in college. Completely kill off any potential nepotism. Other than that have at it. And if you can't coach players from the ridiculously large remaining talent pool, then you ain't much of a coach to begin with. if he wants players he's already coached, why not let him? it's easier for him, he already knows how to coach them - had to before |
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Post by Swamp Dragon on Mar 4, 2015 12:29:12 GMT -5
IMO when you hire a coach out of college football there should be one stipulation made: We're not drafting, signing, or trading for any players that you coached in college. Completely kill off any potential nepotism. Other than that have at it. And if you can't coach players from the ridiculously large remaining talent pool, then you ain't much of a coach to begin with. if he wants players he's already coached, why not let him? it's easier for him, he already knows how to coach them - had to before dy, I'm thinking (Un) thinks Chip pissed in his corn flakes I'm figuring he'll be like this till the season proves him right or otherwise. I'm sure if the Duc.. ah Eagles trade up for Mariota he will be apoplectic |
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Post by dyhard on Mar 4, 2015 12:33:14 GMT -5
probably, I feel like he'll be salty and have a complete change of opinion by the end of season
speaking of Bills moves tho, they just traded for Matt Cassel and some draft picks in exchange for draft picks
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Post by Swamp Dragon on Mar 4, 2015 13:01:09 GMT -5
probably, I feel like he'll be salty and have a complete change of opinion by the end of season speaking of Bills moves tho, they just traded for Matt Cassel and some draft picks in exchange for draft picks Does this look similar to the situation when Rex joined the Jets. Great D smash mouth offense questionable QB |
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Post by dyhard on Mar 4, 2015 13:32:02 GMT -5
probably, I feel like he'll be salty and have a complete change of opinion by the end of season speaking of Bills moves tho, they just traded for Matt Cassel and some draft picks in exchange for draft picks Does this look similar to the situation when Rex joined the Jets. Great D smash mouth offense questionable QB the Bills are setting themselves up great here besides the QB situation. watch Rex Ryan take the great D and McCoy and flush the talent down the toilet and ruin Buffalo. they're 1st mistake was hiring Rex Ryan |
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Post by dyhard on Mar 4, 2015 13:55:36 GMT -5
I didn't even think of this, could it be possible that the Eagles wanted to get rid of McCoy to sign Murray? I doubt it, but it's a thought
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Post by aka50yearfan on Mar 4, 2015 16:12:05 GMT -5
It is about money and having it for free agency. $10 million more in cap space can buy a lot of love, and RBs just are not worth $11.9 million on any teams cap anymore.
It makes sense to me.
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Post by aka50yearfan on Mar 4, 2015 16:16:30 GMT -5
Rex Ryan will take five years off of his football life when he gets done running him this year. It is his MO. run run run and play defense. Not like they have a QB to do something else.
He will like the wings and beef on weck. Maybe even a few Jills.
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Post by Swamp Dragon on Mar 4, 2015 20:07:37 GMT -5
from NFL.com
Of the 19 players with at least 250 touches last season, McCoy had the lowest yards-per-touch average (4.3). For comparison purposes, change-of-pace back Darren Sproles averaged 7.4 yards per touch.
It's no secret that Kelly was annoyed at McCoy's indecisiveness, which led to a league-high 125 carries of zero or negative yards over the past two years.
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Post by dyhard on Mar 4, 2015 20:46:37 GMT -5
I didn't even think of this, could it be possible that the Eagles wanted to get rid of McCoy to sign Murray? I doubt it, but it's a thought I had wondered and I would laugh if it happened but I honestly don't think much of DeMarco Murray. To me he's nothing more than an above average back who ran behind an elite group of run blockers. I do believe that Chip Kelly wants a runningback who can run between the tackles, which to a large extent LeSean McCoy was not. Excellent back in space, arguably the best in the league, but he does have a weakness at power running - so it surprised me that Rex Ryan wanted him. ok, so that takes out Spiller in that sense since I really don't see him as too much of a run-between-the-tackles type back. who would you want at RB? and Murray comes across as a guy who runs between tackles - but I doubt he's going to Philly or going there for a cheap/low price which I picture them looking for |
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Post by jets12 on Mar 7, 2015 17:05:08 GMT -5
It was a really good trade for Philly. I never get when someone says "can't stay on the field." in regards to an ACL tear.
That can happen to any player, any time. It's not like he keeps pulling a hammy or something. That injury bares no indication that he will be an injury prone player.
I also don't think McCoy was anything special in Kelly's system. His numbers were good, not great last year.....and the year before he was either great or horrible game to game.
Now, what he does in the draft......you could have a right to tell the man to go fuck himself.
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