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Post by Swamp Dragon on Mar 25, 2015 20:21:31 GMT -5
Did he not have Legarrette Blount as his running mate regardless he inherited James James was a kelly recruit. Blount was there before kelly even became OC. If I'm not mistaken James and Blount didn't even spend much time splitting carries because of blounts suspension, no? Mark Helfrich actually recruited both in 2008 Chip was the OC but Blount was the primary back and would have been if not suspended over James |
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Post by Macho Row on Mar 25, 2015 22:14:03 GMT -5
Helfrich recruited for Oregon while working for Colorado? Kelly inherited Blount but James was his guy. They were like 2 years apart in eligibility so even if Blount never got suspended they would have only spent the one or two seasons together. Which is secondary to my original point of Kelly having success with James anyway. James led the nation in rushing and set school/pac-10 records under Chip while the Ducks offense was firing on all cylinders.
I wish I could say the roster moves hes been making were of the early Andy Reid ilk by getting rid of bad people, but the guys hes getting rid of are knuckleheads at worst. Bringing some people who are shit bags which he apparently has no problem with looking back on a lot of the kids he brought into Oregon.
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Post by Swamp Dragon on Mar 25, 2015 23:22:45 GMT -5
Helfrich recruited for Oregon while working for Colorado? Kelly inherited Blount but James was his guy. They were like 2 years apart in eligibility so even if Blount never got suspended they would have only spent the one or two seasons together. Which is secondary to my original point of Kelly having success with James anyway. James led the nation in rushing and set school/pac-10 records under Chip while the Ducks offense was firing on all cylinders. I wish I could say the roster moves hes been making were of the early Andy Reid ilk by getting rid of bad people, but the guys hes getting rid of are knuckleheads at worst. Bringing some people who are shit bags which he apparently has no problem with looking back on a lot of the kids he brought into Oregon. Sorry Bellotti not Helfrich Kelly took over in 2009 |
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Post by Swamp Dragon on Mar 25, 2015 23:28:37 GMT -5
Helfrich recruited for Oregon while working for Colorado? Kelly inherited Blount but James was his guy. They were like 2 years apart in eligibility so even if Blount never got suspended they would have only spent the one or two seasons together. Which is secondary to my original point of Kelly having success with James anyway. James led the nation in rushing and set school/pac-10 records under Chip while the Ducks offense was firing on all cylinders. I wish I could say the roster moves hes been making were of the early Andy Reid ilk by getting rid of bad people, but the guys hes getting rid of are knuckleheads at worst. Bringing some people who are shit bags which he apparently has no problem with looking back on a lot of the kids he brought into Oregon. Sorry Bellotti not Helfrich Kelly took over in 2009 And Blount and James were both part of the 2008 class |
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Post by Macho Row on Mar 27, 2015 4:37:47 GMT -5
Sorry Bellotti not Helfrich Kelly took over in 2009 And Blount and James were both part of the 2008 class My bad. I had thought James was a freshmen in 2009 and Blount had committed to Oregon in 07. |
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Post by Macho Row on Mar 27, 2015 6:48:13 GMT -5
Van Buren was way before my time but I do believe he was every bit good as alot of the old timers claim. But even with that said and Shadys negative carries/carries for no gain he's still in the conversation for their best RB ever and rightfully so. Watters while being very good was only in town for 2 or 3 seasons. He may have the negative yds thing but Montgomery also coughed the ball up 3 times the amount Shady did while having less yards per carry, yds per game and only 1 more TD despite having played in more games. Shady is a borderline HOF player. He gets alot of crap for his "dancing" around in the backfield but he still is the most exciting back in the league in an open field. He was 3rd in the league in rushing last year behind a turnstile Oline for most of the season. Dude is a home run threat every time he touches the ball. And I couldnt disagree more about Foles. Those historic numbers I mentioned were no doubt assisted by some bad defenses that season but I don't care who you're playing, you're not having that kind of run against anyone in the league unless you're a legit starter. And team record could be one of the worst ways of judging a QB but he was 14-4 under Chip. Left the one playoff game in Chips tneure with the lead. He's not Brady/Manning/Rodgers type of elite, but who else besides those guys are? That's not what you need to win anyway. He has the stones to bring teams back from a deficit late in games and has done so many times. That alone is invaluable. All those old timers coughed up the ball more times per carry. I mean Jim Brown coughed the ball up every other game, no one ever seems to bring that up when talking about him. And by 'old timers' I mean anyone before instant replay began reviewing every damn fumble ad nauseam. IMO the main difference between those guys and the guys from today is a significant reduction of late hits combined with instant replay. I agree that Wilbert Montgomery's fumble rate is pathetic even by older standard but I see it as comparing apples to oranges. And it has always amazed me how Shady did NOT fumble more often. The dude never secured the football properly in the open field. He hold the ball out away from his body like a loose loaf of bread. The announcers pointed that out almost every game. McCoy was just too fast in the open field for it to hurt him. I expect that to catch up to him some day when he loses some of that speed. Agreed on all counts. Wasn't really trying to compare the two as one better than the other(ok, maybe a little) just that Shady should deservedly be put in the best Eagles RB convo, that it wasn't such a crazy thought. |
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Post by Otis B. Driftwood on Mar 27, 2015 6:53:35 GMT -5
In fairness to RG3 he's also coming off of an MCL and regime change. That said even his rookie year doesn't hold a candle to Foles' 2013. I get what you're saying about game tape and stuff, but it's not like he's mobile at all. Or they were running some type of wild trickery. It was all straight forward football. I don't think it was defenses catching up at all that happened, they still lead the league in offense, but more so no time to make reads and no Desean Jackson. While Maclin is also very damn good at tracking the long ball, Jacksons flat out speed allows QB's a certain room for error because he can catch up to balls only he would be able to catch out of the reach of defenders. I'm not saying Foles is heading for the HOF. Or even a top 5 QB year in and out. But he deserved the shot to try. You don't need a superstar QB to win. Just someone that won't lose you games surrounded by the best balanced team you can assemble. And I don't by this north/south runner that Chip supposedly covets so much. He recruited and did pretty well with Lamichael James. Who coincidentally is a midget compared to Shady and much more of a liability in the pass block. And this is also assuming Murray stays healthy. Theres gonna be a drop off in his play, I just pray he plays most of or all of the games. The other thing that no one seems to mention when pointing out Nick Foles 2014 regression is the fact that he was playing behind a beat up offensive line that was missing 2 or 3 starters per game. The same offensive line that ultimately lost him for the season when he got him injured in the pocket against Houston. Of Nick Foles 8 games played in 2014: All Pro guard Evan Mathis only played 1 game with Foles. Right tackle Lane Johnson was suspended the first four games Center Jason Kelce only played four games with Foles. When a quarterback is missing half his offensive line, yeah, he's going to play like shit. Most QBs would.And by the same token, When a quarterback plays behind a shitty offensive line, chances are he's gonna play like shit too. |
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Post by Macho Row on Mar 27, 2015 6:53:40 GMT -5
In fairness to RG3 he's also coming off of an MCL and regime change. That said even his rookie year doesn't hold a candle to Foles' 2013. I get what you're saying about game tape and stuff, but it's not like he's mobile at all. Or they were running some type of wild trickery. It was all straight forward football. I don't think it was defenses catching up at all that happened, they still lead the league in offense, but more so no time to make reads and no Desean Jackson. While Maclin is also very damn good at tracking the long ball, Jacksons flat out speed allows QB's a certain room for error because he can catch up to balls only he would be able to catch out of the reach of defenders. I'm not saying Foles is heading for the HOF. Or even a top 5 QB year in and out. But he deserved the shot to try. You don't need a superstar QB to win. Just someone that won't lose you games surrounded by the best balanced team you can assemble. And I don't by this north/south runner that Chip supposedly covets so much. He recruited and did pretty well with Lamichael James. Who coincidentally is a midget compared to Shady and much more of a liability in the pass block. And this is also assuming Murray stays healthy. Theres gonna be a drop off in his play, I just pray he plays most of or all of the games. The other thing that no one seems to mention when pointing out Nick Foles 2014 regression is the fact that he was playing behind a beat up offensive line that was missing 2 or 3 starters per game. The same offensive line that ultimately lost him for the season when he got him injured in the pocket against Houston. Of Nick Foles 8 games played in 2014: All Pro guard Evan Mathis only played 1 game with Foles. Right tackle Lane Johnson was suspended the first four games Center Jason Kelce only played four games with Foles. When a quarterback is missing half his offensive line, yeah, he's going to play like shit. Most QBs would. Not only a banged up offensive line, but one that kept getting shuffled. From week to week the side of the ball a guy lined up on could be different. Not only were there injuries there was little to no consistency with who they did have. IMO the most important thing with an Oline his having the same core of players for a long time. You get to know what the other guy will do, where he needs a little help, where someone will give you a little help. There was 0 of that last year. |
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Post by Macho Row on Mar 27, 2015 6:56:03 GMT -5
The other thing that no one seems to mention when pointing out Nick Foles 2014 regression is the fact that he was playing behind a beat up offensive line that was missing 2 or 3 starters per game. The same offensive line that ultimately lost him for the season when he got him injured in the pocket against Houston. Of Nick Foles 8 games played in 2014: All Pro guard Evan Mathis only played 1 game with Foles. Right tackle Lane Johnson was suspended the first four games Center Jason Kelce only played four games with Foles. When a quarterback is missing half his offensive line, yeah, he's going to play like shit. Most QBs would.And by the same token, When a quarterback plays behind a shitty offensive line, chances are he's gonna play like shit too. Which is what makes this upcoming season all the more scary with the players in the backfield we currently have and their injury history. |
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Post by Swamp Dragon on Mar 28, 2015 2:56:25 GMT -5
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Post by Macho Row on Mar 29, 2015 6:52:48 GMT -5
While things like this are encouraging along with the ownerssupposedly all bowing at his greatness during the owners meetings, it doesnt mean much to me. How many times do you hear someone garnering alot of praise only to crash and burn? I believe we are in uncharted territory though, how many coaches have his kind of power? And how many of those were handed it only 2 years into their tenure? He has already done some league firsts. 2 years in a row you're leading receiver is gone. Lead the league in offense and get rid of your top QB, RB and WR in the same off season. Contradict your owner about literally everything the tow of you are questioned about at the owners meetings. Interesting times........ |
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Post by Swamp Dragon on Mar 29, 2015 9:47:48 GMT -5
While things like this are encouraging along with the owners supposedly all bowing at his greatness during the owners meetings, it doesn't mean much to me. How many times do you hear someone garnering a lot of praise only to crash and burn? I believe we are in uncharted territory though, how many coaches have his kind of power? And how many of those were handed it only 2 years into their tenure? He has already done some league firsts. 2 years in a row you're leading receiver is gone. Lead the league in offense and get rid of your top QB, RB and WR in the same off season. Contradict your owner about literally everything the tow of you are questioned about at the owners meetings. Interesting times........ Every FA season |
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Post by Otis B. Driftwood on Mar 31, 2015 7:17:20 GMT -5
Iggles sign Miles Austin. Guess they needed an anchor on their IR. He will certainly provide one.
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Post by Macho Row on Apr 1, 2015 18:14:34 GMT -5
Would have been better if they had more material than white jokes. I should probably read things before posting a link to them. But that would require effort on my part. |
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Post by Swamp Dragon on May 16, 2015 12:15:31 GMT -5
Iggles sign Miles Austin. Guess they needed an anchor on their IR. He will certainly provide one. The Chipper is hit'n that clearance rack hard. If EJ Manuel loses the starting job in Buffalo Vic Carucci suggests that they will trade him for a 3rd day pick and the coach that would want him is the Chipper who tried to recruit him to Oregon. You can't make this shit up |
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Post by Canuck eh? on May 17, 2015 10:36:47 GMT -5
Just as long as they beat the Cowboys twice who the fuck cares?
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Post by Swamp Dragon on May 17, 2015 11:12:22 GMT -5
While things like this are encouraging along with the ownerssupposedly all bowing at his greatness during the owners meetings, it doesnt mean much to me. How many times do you hear someone garnering alot of praise only to crash and burn? I believe we are in uncharted territory though, how many coaches have his kind of power? And how many of those were handed it only 2 years into their tenure? He has already done some league firsts. 2 years in a row you're leading receiver is gone. Lead the league in offense and get rid of your top QB, RB and WR in the same off season. Contradict your owner about literally everything the tow of you are questioned about at the owners meetings. Interesting times........ Tis why I linked the quote from Carroll another Pac12 coach that was be derided for his roster turnover. Not a peep now |
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Post by Canuck eh? on May 17, 2015 14:48:29 GMT -5
Just as long as they beat the Cowboys twice who the fuck cares? Three times if need be. That too!  |
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Post by Otis B. Driftwood on May 17, 2015 17:58:50 GMT -5
Dream on Bitches!
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Post by Canuck eh? on May 17, 2015 18:16:09 GMT -5
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Post by Otis B. Driftwood on May 17, 2015 19:48:14 GMT -5
That's "Beoytch" to you... |
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Post by Swamp Dragon on Aug 6, 2015 18:08:58 GMT -5
Alonzo gets concussion
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