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Post by mrpickles on Nov 14, 2014 8:57:40 GMT -5
Because people are still thinking backwards. Starting pitching is the most abundant product on the market. I'll take arguably the best player in baseball to man CF for me 160 games a yeat. send some of that "abundant starting pitching" to boston please. btw pickles. imagine if hamels is sent to boston, they open up against each other in 2015. get opening day tickets. ill be there. Youd have to think either him or Lee will be there by the end of the season. If Lee didnt get hurt hed probably be the most attractive option out there. Id love to see Hamels go to Boston honestly. |
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Post by NEW YORK on Nov 14, 2014 8:58:27 GMT -5
send some of that "abundant starting pitching" to boston please. btw pickles. imagine if hamels is sent to boston, they open up against each other in 2015. get opening day tickets. ill be there. Youd have to think either him or Lee will be there by the end of the season. If Lee didnt get hurt hed probably be the most attractive option out there. Id love to see Hamels go to Boston honestly. Cubs |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2014 9:03:37 GMT -5
Pickles here is the thing. Because less runs are being scored per game
It both inflates value of good bats AND ACE level pitchers. A ton of good pitching, but ACE level is still top tier value. Because the win curve for 1 run advantage has gone up. Going from Mid-level to ace has more value than it did before... just like Bats have more value.
The only thing that has changed is Mid-level pitchers are near worthless. Saying a ton of good pitching is nice.. But Kershaw is not a "good pitcher". He is a GREAT pitcher. So its mis-leading..
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Post by mrpickles on Nov 14, 2014 9:03:47 GMT -5
Youd have to think either him or Lee will be there by the end of the season. If Lee didnt get hurt hed probably be the most attractive option out there. Id love to see Hamels go to Boston honestly. Cubs Could be. I know i wouldnt go there if i has them on my NTC list. Not sure if he does |
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Post by NEW YORK on Nov 14, 2014 9:04:46 GMT -5
Could be. I know i wouldnt go there if i has them on my NTC list. Not sure if he does You wouldn't go there? Crazy talk Team on the rise? Great City |
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Post by The Bag on Nov 14, 2014 9:06:11 GMT -5
send some of that "abundant starting pitching" to boston please. btw pickles. imagine if hamels is sent to boston, they open up against each other in 2015. get opening day tickets. ill be there. Youd have to think either him or Lee will be there by the end of the season. If Lee didnt get hurt hed probably be the most attractive option out there. Id love to see Hamels go to Boston honestly. lee goes to boston, i want cherrington fired. |
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Post by mrpickles on Nov 14, 2014 9:08:04 GMT -5
Pickles here is the thing. Because less runs are being scored per game It both inflates value of good bats AND ACE level pitchers. A ton of good pitching, but ACE level is still top tier value. Because the win curve for 1 run advantage has gone up. Going from Mid-level to ace has more value than it did before... just like Bats have more value. The only thing that has changed is Mid-level pitchers are near worthless. Saying a ton of good pitching is nice.. But Kershaw is not a "good pitcher". He is a GREAT pitcher. So its mis-leading.. Yes thats fair. But you can still win with mids and "good" pitching. And pitchers are atill the riskiest investment there is. Im investjng jn the bat anyday of the week over a pitcher. Pitching can be found now, i guess thats really my point. Its not that im undervaluing pitchers. But quality pitching has become much easier to obtain than bats |
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Post by Just Another Shem on Nov 14, 2014 9:09:08 GMT -5
Because people are still thinking backwards. Starting pitching is the most abundant product on the market. I'll take arguably the best player in baseball to man CF for me 160 games a yeat. send some of that "abundant starting pitching" to boston please. btw pickles. imagine if hamels is sent to boston, they open up against each other in 2015. get opening day tickets. ill be there. Boston is one of 20 teams on Cole Hamels no trade list. Smart posters know this. No surprise that you don't. |
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Post by mrpickles on Nov 14, 2014 9:09:32 GMT -5
Youd have to think either him or Lee will be there by the end of the season. If Lee didnt get hurt hed probably be the most attractive option out there. Id love to see Hamels go to Boston honestly. lee goes to boston, i want cherrington fired. Lol it wont be a preseason move. But if hes back healthy every team will want him. The guy is ridiculous |
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Post by mrpickles on Nov 14, 2014 9:10:32 GMT -5
Could be. I know i wouldnt go there if i has them on my NTC list. Not sure if he does You wouldn't go there? Crazy talk Team on the rise? Great City Theyre no better today then they were at seasons end. Im cole hamels. Im only going to a team i know can win |
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Post by mrpickles on Nov 14, 2014 9:12:00 GMT -5
send some of that "abundant starting pitching" to boston please. btw pickles. imagine if hamels is sent to boston, they open up against each other in 2015. get opening day tickets. ill be there. Boston is one of 20 teams on Cole Hamels no trade list. Smart posters know this. No surprise that you don't. Hed go to Boston. That NTC just givds him control in the trade (ie Boston will be picking up my option yr before i agree) |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2014 9:15:48 GMT -5
Pickles here is the thing. Because less runs are being scored per game It both inflates value of good bats AND ACE level pitchers. A ton of good pitching, but ACE level is still top tier value. Because the win curve for 1 run advantage has gone up. Going from Mid-level to ace has more value than it did before... just like Bats have more value. The only thing that has changed is Mid-level pitchers are near worthless. Saying a ton of good pitching is nice.. But Kershaw is not a "good pitcher". He is a GREAT pitcher. So its mis-leading.. Yes thats fair. But you can still win with mids and "good" pitching. And pitchers are atill the riskiest investment there is. Im investjng jn the bat anyday of the week over a pitcher. Pitching can be found now, i guess thats really my point. Its not that im undervaluing pitchers. But quality pitching has become much easier to obtain than bats Its a double edge sword. Because Quality pitching has become easier. The Win curve as shrunk and the difference between good and great is now inflated. Ton of viable strategies to build a team. Usually the smartest method is to build a team that caters to your ball park, to gain the best edge. More so than straight batter first or pitcher first philosophy. Never gonna be able to build a competent staff at coors. So just build the best bats the exemplify the advantage and hopefully carry the weight on the road leading to a winning product, and try the best to find pitchers who can just "survive" Coors. Or at ATT, too hard to hit a HR, so go more for OBP, Gap hitters, Speed and Defense and great pitchers to amplify the advantage. |
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Post by NEW YORK on Nov 14, 2014 9:29:56 GMT -5
You wouldn't go there? Crazy talk Team on the rise? Great City Theyre no better today then they were at seasons end. Im cole hamels. Im only going to a team i know can win Add Cole Hamels They claim to be in on David Robertson, Russel Martin and one of the big 3 Free agent pitchers Yeah, things can change quickly |
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Post by NEW YORK on Nov 14, 2014 9:31:17 GMT -5
Boston is one of 20 teams on Cole Hamels no trade list. Smart posters know this. No surprise that you don't. Hed go to Boston. That NTC just givds him control in the trade (ie Boston will be picking up my option yr before i agree) Boston finished in last place Just an FYI |
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Post by mrpickles on Nov 14, 2014 9:35:18 GMT -5
Hed go to Boston. That NTC just givds him control in the trade (ie Boston will be picking up my option yr before i agree) Boston finished in last place Just an FYI LOL yes i know. But boston does have talent in place. Regardless of how much you hate them. |
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Post by The Bag on Nov 14, 2014 9:37:09 GMT -5
send some of that "abundant starting pitching" to boston please. btw pickles. imagine if hamels is sent to boston, they open up against each other in 2015. get opening day tickets. ill be there. Boston is one of 20 teams on Cole Hamels no trade list. Smart posters know this. No surprise that you don't. sweet, i'm a smart poster. i'm fully aware that boston is on his no trade list. he can also waive that no trade list if he wants. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2014 9:37:14 GMT -5
Hed go to Boston. That NTC just givds him control in the trade (ie Boston will be picking up my option yr before i agree) Boston finished in last place Just an FYI yankees beat toronto by 1 game honk honk |
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Post by NEW YORK on Nov 14, 2014 9:38:21 GMT -5
Boston finished in last place Just an FYI LOL yes i know. But boston does have talent in place. Regardless of how much you hate them. yeah, so do to the Cubs.. |
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Post by NEW YORK on Nov 14, 2014 9:39:04 GMT -5
Boston finished in last place Just an FYI yankees beat toronto by 1 game honk honk That has nothing to do with the discussion |
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Post by The Bag on Nov 14, 2014 9:39:41 GMT -5
Boston is one of 20 teams on Cole Hamels no trade list. Smart posters know this. No surprise that you don't. Hed go to Boston. That NTC just givds him control in the trade (ie Boston will be picking up my option yr before i agree) no no no pickles....a guy has a team on his no trade list, it's IMPOSSIBLE for him to wind up going there. the resident idiot said so! |
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Post by Just Another Shem on Nov 14, 2014 9:39:51 GMT -5
Boston finished in last place Just an FYI LOL yes i know. But boston does have talent in place. Regardless of how much you hate them. Assuming they can bring in two legit starting pitchers Boston is very well set up for next season. |
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Post by Just Another Shem on Nov 14, 2014 9:42:31 GMT -5
yankees beat toronto by 1 game honk honk That has nothing to do with the discussion I don't think there is a soul on the planet who would trade the players in the Boston organization for the players and the Yankees organization. Just an FYI. The Yankees are so overloaded with deadweight it is frightening. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2014 9:44:07 GMT -5
yankees beat toronto by 1 game honk honk That has nothing to do with the discussion 84-78 fewest wins since 1995 |
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Post by The Bag on Nov 14, 2014 10:01:00 GMT -5
LOL yes i know. But boston does have talent in place. Regardless of how much you hate them. Assuming they can bring in two legit starting pitchers Boston is very well set up for next season. - assuming they bring two legit starters (which wont be easy) - will we see koji of 2013 or 2014? - will the injured guys from last year be 100%, or will they live on the dl again (pedroia, victorino) - will any of the young guys live up to their potential (jbj, xander) - will they replace wmb, or will he actually decide to play baseball like a major leaguer? it isnt as much a slam dunk as you make it sound. |
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Post by Just Another Shem on Nov 14, 2014 10:10:49 GMT -5
Assuming they can bring in two legit starting pitchers Boston is very well set up for next season. - assuming they bring two legit starters (which wont be easy) - will we see koji of 2013 or 2014? - will the injured guys from last year be 100%, or will they live on the dl again (pedroia, victorino) - will any of the young guys live up to their potential (jbj, xander) - will they replace wmb, or will he actually decide to play baseball like a major leaguer? it isnt as much a slam dunk as you make it sound. Victorino probably won't be on the roster next season. Middlebrooks or JBJ either. The Sox are set everywhere but 3B and C Im just saying, by dont have many needs outside of the starting rotation. |
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Post by The Bag on Nov 14, 2014 10:22:38 GMT -5
- assuming they bring two legit starters (which wont be easy) - will we see koji of 2013 or 2014? - will the injured guys from last year be 100%, or will they live on the dl again (pedroia, victorino) - will any of the young guys live up to their potential (jbj, xander) - will they replace wmb, or will he actually decide to play baseball like a major leaguer? it isnt as much a slam dunk as you make it sound. Victorino probably won't be on the roster next season. Middlebrooks or JBJ either. The Sox are set everywhere but 3B and C Im just saying, by dont have many needs outside of the starting rotation. victorino, wmb, and jbj wont be on the roster? who are you rolling with as an outfield next year? castillo, betts, and cespedes with nava playing here and there? im seriously asking. and if they dont have a 3b, they need a 3b (if they miss panda, who is there to get) AND 2 top end starters, AND a catcher. that's alot to bank on. |
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Post by NEW YORK on Nov 14, 2014 10:23:42 GMT -5
Victorino probably won't be on the roster next season. Middlebrooks or JBJ either. The Sox are set everywhere but 3B and C Im just saying, by dont have many needs outside of the starting rotation. victorino, wmb, and jbj wont be on the roster? who are you rolling with as an outfield next year? castillo, betts, and cespedes with nava playing here and there? im seriously asking. and if they dont have a 3b, they need a 3b (if they miss panda, who is there to get) AND 2 top end starters, AND a catcher. that's alot to bank on. He really likes the Red Sox Making sense is of little importance here |
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Post by Just Another Shem on Nov 14, 2014 10:24:40 GMT -5
Victorino probably won't be on the roster next season. Middlebrooks or JBJ either. The Sox are set everywhere but 3B and C Im just saying, by dont have many needs outside of the starting rotation. victorino, wmb, and jbj wont be on the roster? who are you rolling with as an outfield next year? castillo, betts, and cespedes with nava playing here and there? im seriously asking. and if they dont have a 3b, they need a 3b (if they miss panda, who is there to get) AND 2 top end starters, AND a catcher. that's alot to bank on. Every team has needs... And we didnt get Cespedes and Castillo to have them not play. And Betts has to play. I don't see us paying Victorino $14 mil to sit on the bench. |
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Post by Mr mastodon farm on Nov 14, 2014 10:25:06 GMT -5
The Royals saw Tomas just yesterday in the Dominican Republic, tweets Andy McCullough of the Kansas City Star. While club officials remain doubtful that they’ll have the money to land him, the team is making an effort to sign Tomas, he adds.
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Post by The Bag on Nov 14, 2014 10:27:33 GMT -5
victorino, wmb, and jbj wont be on the roster? who are you rolling with as an outfield next year? castillo, betts, and cespedes with nava playing here and there? im seriously asking. and if they dont have a 3b, they need a 3b (if they miss panda, who is there to get) AND 2 top end starters, AND a catcher. that's alot to bank on. He really likes the Red Sox Making sense is of little importance here i really like the sox too. im just a realist. and losing salty is starting to show now, considering he had a decent season in florida last year. |
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