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Post by poprocksncoke on Jul 7, 2014 12:20:01 GMT -5
I know the rays wont be winning many games but Grilli is taking up roster space right now and no good closers available  The Angels seem fine with Joe Smith as their closer right now. As such, it will take him falling apart for Grilli to get another shot. REMEMBER, Grilli WAS NOT a closer before last season, and, at 37, he is not likely to right that ship again. As such, I think swapping him for McGee would be a good move. While Maddon will not always go to him to close, his other numbers show him to be the best reliever the Rays have this year. Yeah, thats what I was thinking too. thanks for the advice  |
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Post by bigddude on Jul 7, 2014 12:36:43 GMT -5
Anytime sir. Anytime. Looks like the den is wide open for anything today. Now, if only I had a few more visitors.....
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Post by poprocksncoke on Jul 7, 2014 12:46:22 GMT -5
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Post by bigddude on Jul 7, 2014 13:01:26 GMT -5
Just some AAA depth. He won't sniff the bigs with the Dodgers. |
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Post by mrpickles on Jul 7, 2014 13:05:32 GMT -5
pretty weak teams this year ... both teams IMO
a little shocked Hamels didnt make it, but he did miss a lot of time
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Post by bigddude on Jul 7, 2014 13:18:54 GMT -5
Self service beer stations for the A.S game? LOVE IT!!!!!!!
Self-serve beer stations are up and running in Target Field, so Minnesota Twins fans and those who attend the Major League Baseball All-Star festivities next week can decide what they want and even how much they want of it.
Gleeman was at Target Field over the weekend and said that they basically looked like the fancy Coke dispensers you’re starting to see at various fast food restaurants. I would hope that it won’t let you mix up beers like you’d mix Fanta and Sprite because, eww, but so far, so good!
The mechanics have a lot of safeguards in it such as requiring you show ID to a real person first and get a pre-paid card with which to fill up your cup at the machines. But the bottom line:
The machine allows a customer to use the card to pour up to 48 ounces of beer every 15 minutes.
I think I could make that work. Any more details?
Bud and Bud Light will cost 38 cents an ounce, while Shock Top Lemon Shandy and Goose Island 312 Urban Pale Ale will cost 40 cents an ounce.
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Post by bigddude on Jul 7, 2014 13:24:41 GMT -5
pretty weak teams this year ... both teams IMO a little shocked Hamels didnt make it, but he did miss a lot of time I guess I see this differently. The main problem I have with the teams as they were voted would be Weiters catching, and Jeter at SS for the A.L. And, while Hamels I guess could have made the N.L team, it is probably best he didn't, in that he would have been the last pitcher in the pen for that team. |
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Post by redseat on Jul 7, 2014 15:25:55 GMT -5
So are the Red Sox buyers or Sellers?
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Post by bigddude on Jul 7, 2014 15:32:54 GMT -5
So are the Red Sox buyers or Sellers? Neither. They will stand pat with what they have, in hopes that it is good enough to get them into the playoffs this year, and will start letting their older guys walk as their contract expire, and will build around guys like Mookie Betts going forward. |
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Post by redseat on Jul 7, 2014 15:34:56 GMT -5
So are the Red Sox buyers or Sellers? Neither. They will stand pat with what they have, in hopes that it is good enough to get them into the playoffs this year, and will start letting their older guys walk as their contract expire, and will build around guys like Mookie Betts going forward. Did not think of that option either. Personally I think they should just scrap this season and let the young guys play and see what they have. In related Red Sox notes: Red Sox activate Mike Carp from 15 day DL and Herrera optioned |
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Post by bigddude on Jul 7, 2014 15:43:12 GMT -5
Neither. They will stand pat with what they have, in hopes that it is good enough to get them into the playoffs this year, and will start letting their older guys walk as their contract expire, and will build around guys like Mookie Betts going forward. Did not think of that option either. Personally I think they should just scrap this season and let the young guys play and see what they have. In related Red Sox notes: Red Sox activate Mike Carp from 15 day DL and Herrera optioned Who do the Sox have, that they are willing to part with, that they could really get something for? Papi & Pedroia are off limits would be my guess. Uehara is still good and young, so they won't part with him either. Maybe Napoli has value to someone somewhere, but his only average 2014 season so far will not bring back much young talent. They are trying to lock up Lester, so he is out. Clay looks like he is made of same every few outings, so likely no takers on him. They are kind of stuck for this year, and, I am not sure on any of the contract situations there so....? |
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Post by redseat on Jul 7, 2014 15:45:23 GMT -5
Did not think of that option either. Personally I think they should just scrap this season and let the young guys play and see what they have. In related Red Sox notes: Red Sox activate Mike Carp from 15 day DL and Herrera optioned Who do the Sox have, that they are willing to part with, that they could really get something for? Papi & Pedroia are off limits would be my guess. Uehara is still good and young, so they won't part with him either. Maybe Napoli has value to someone somewhere, but his only average 2014 season so far will not bring back much young talent. They are trying to lock up Lester, so he is out. Clay looks like he is made of same every few outings, so likely no takers on him. They are kind of stuck for this year, and, I am not sure on any of the contract situations there so....? Uehara is 39 and if I am not mistaken will be 40 before seasons end... He aint a spring chicken anymore.... Will he be as effective as he has been this year, next year... doubt it (they could get a lot for him imo). I do believe the only players who are not up for trades are Pedroia, Ortiz and MAYBE Lester..... |
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Post by bigddude on Jul 7, 2014 15:52:42 GMT -5
WOW. No idea Uehara was that old.... Well, then they could move him, as he has value right now, and, he could bring back a nice young player or two in return then.
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Post by Super Paul Mullin on Jul 7, 2014 16:39:21 GMT -5
So are the Red Sox buyers or Sellers? Should sell. Try to trade either Lackey or Lester while the trading is good. |
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Post by poprocksncoke on Jul 7, 2014 16:40:11 GMT -5
Who do the Sox have, that they are willing to part with, that they could really get something for? Papi & Pedroia are off limits would be my guess. Uehara is still good and young, so they won't part with him either. Maybe Napoli has value to someone somewhere, but his only average 2014 season so far will not bring back much young talent. They are trying to lock up Lester, so he is out. Clay looks like he is made of same every few outings, so likely no takers on him. They are kind of stuck for this year, and, I am not sure on any of the contract situations there so....? Uehara is 39 and if I am not mistaken will be 40 before seasons end... He aint a spring chicken anymore.... Will he be as effective as he has been this year, next year... doubt it (they could get a lot for him imo). I do believe the only players who are not up for trades are Pedroia, Ortiz and MAYBE Lester..... Dont forget to add Xander. If anyone gets traded it will probably be Lackey. |
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Post by Super Paul Mullin on Jul 7, 2014 16:40:34 GMT -5
WOW. No idea Uehara was that old.... Well, then they could move him, as he has value right now, and, he could bring back a nice young player or two in return then. Teams probably aren't going to give up an impact prospect for a closer. . . Although the Tigers might want to think about it. |
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Post by bigddude on Jul 7, 2014 16:43:50 GMT -5
WOW. No idea Uehara was that old.... Well, then they could move him, as he has value right now, and, he could bring back a nice young player or two in return then. Teams probably aren't going to give up an impact prospect for a closer. . . Although the Tigers might want to think about it. Tigers. Angels. Mets. Rays. Indians. Cubs. Giants. D-Backs. All need closer upgrades, and, theTigers & Angels are still in the race. |
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Post by Super Paul Mullin on Jul 7, 2014 17:02:18 GMT -5
Teams probably aren't going to give up an impact prospect for a closer. . . Although the Tigers might want to think about it. Tigers. Angels. Mets. Rays. Indians. Cubs. Giants. D-Backs. All need closer upgrades, and, theTigers & Angels are still in the race. So you're saying Koji for Mike Trout is a possibility? |
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Post by bigddude on Jul 7, 2014 17:03:49 GMT -5
Tigers. Angels. Mets. Rays. Indians. Cubs. Giants. D-Backs. All need closer upgrades, and, theTigers & Angels are still in the race. So you're saying Koji for Mike Trout is a possibility? Not in 1,000 lifetimes.... But, other than that..... |
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Post by redseat on Jul 7, 2014 17:31:04 GMT -5
So are the Red Sox buyers or Sellers? Should sell. Try to trade either Lackey or Lester while the trading is good. The more I think about it, the more BigD's idea is seeming more likely |
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Post by Super Paul Mullin on Jul 7, 2014 17:38:25 GMT -5
Should sell. Try to trade either Lackey or Lester while the trading is good. The more I think about it, the more BigD's idea is seeming more likely I think the Sox brass knows the Sox have no shot at the playoffs. Word is Lester is going into FA no matter what - so why not trade him and then make him a generous offer in the off season. You lose him then you extend Lackey and hope for the best with the young guys. |
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Post by bigddude on Jul 7, 2014 17:39:02 GMT -5
Sellers are not just bad teams. Sellers are bad teams that have one or a few good players, with short or expiring contracts, that they want to get rid of this year, in order to bring back in newer and younger players for next year forward.
Sadly, you can be a bad team with old players locked up for a good long time. Teams rarely buy those guys, or deal with those teams.
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Post by redseat on Jul 7, 2014 17:40:06 GMT -5
The more I think about it, the more BigD's idea is seeming more likely I think the Sox brass knows the Sox have no shot at the playoffs. Word is Lester is going into FA no matter what - so why not trade him and then make him a generous offer in the off season. You lose him then you extend Lackey and hope for the best with the young guys. Didn't they say they would negotiate closer to the end of the season (granted like you mentioned... it's pretty much ovah anyway) |
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Post by Super Paul Mullin on Jul 7, 2014 17:43:17 GMT -5
I think the Sox brass knows the Sox have no shot at the playoffs. Word is Lester is going into FA no matter what - so why not trade him and then make him a generous offer in the off season. You lose him then you extend Lackey and hope for the best with the young guys. Didn't they say they would negotiate closer to the end of the season (granted like you mentioned... it's pretty much ovah anyway) Didn't hear that. Read that olney thinks he's absolutely testing the FA market. |
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Post by bigddude on Jul 7, 2014 17:43:21 GMT -5
I think the Sox brass knows the Sox have no shot at the playoffs. Word is Lester is going into FA no matter what - so why not trade him and then make him a generous offer in the off season. You lose him then you extend Lackey and hope for the best with the young guys. Didn't they say they would negotiate closer to the end of the season (granted like you mentioned... it's pretty much ovah anyway) Yep. And, the Sox want Lester back, and Lester wants to be back. That said, you can still trade him. But, I would think they wouldn't. |
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Post by redseat on Jul 7, 2014 17:46:51 GMT -5
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Post by Super Paul Mullin on Jul 7, 2014 17:47:50 GMT -5
Sellers are not just bad teams. Sellers are bad teams that have one or a few good players, with short or expiring contracts, that they want to get rid of this year, in order to bring back in newer and younger players for next year forward. Sadly, you can be a bad team with old players locked up for a good long time. Teams rarely buy those guys, or deal with those teams. Sox are in pretty good shape in that respect - only have $13 mill committed for 2016 (compared to your Dodgers, for example, that have $170 mill committed and the Yankees that have $158 mill committed). |
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Post by bigddude on Jul 7, 2014 18:01:32 GMT -5
Sellers are not just bad teams. Sellers are bad teams that have one or a few good players, with short or expiring contracts, that they want to get rid of this year, in order to bring back in newer and younger players for next year forward. Sadly, you can be a bad team with old players locked up for a good long time. Teams rarely buy those guys, or deal with those teams. Sox are in pretty good shape in that respect - only have $13 mill committed for 2016 (compared to your Dodgers, for example, that have $170 mill committed and the Yankees that have $158 mill committed). That is why the Sox are in hold steady mode. They will play out this year with who they have, will let guys like Drew walk, and, they can either fill a spot like that with a kid ( Bogaerts, Betts ), or they can and will be able to go out and spend in the offseason to get someone they like better. |
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Post by bigddude on Jul 7, 2014 18:56:33 GMT -5
Well, day 2 at the den has now come and gone. However, unlike day [HASH] 1, there was not much happening in here today. However, tomorrow is a new day, which will hopefully bring more action.
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Post by Zig on Jul 7, 2014 18:56:43 GMT -5
Yeah the Sox and Lester were talking but 2-3 days ago Lester's side said no more talking till after the season...
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