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Post by bigddude on Jun 16, 2014 13:59:35 GMT -5
Just a place for people who love our national past time to come and discuss all things basbeall. Or, for folks to come and pick my brain if they wish. Just trying something a little different, to see if I can have enough traffic and posts for this to be worthwhile.
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Post by BHR on Jun 16, 2014 14:24:37 GMT -5
Should the Rays have a firesale? Do they have enough for a firesale?
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Post by bigddude on Jun 16, 2014 14:50:31 GMT -5
Should the Rays have a firesale? Do they have enough for a firesale? I could see where the Rays would find themselves sellers at this point already. And, they do have some pieces that can be moved, with David Price topping the list. However, in respect to Price, all teams that have checked in on him have been told that it will cost them 2 or 3 of their top prospects in return, so, no action on that yet. Outside of Price, it is hard for them to sell, in that all of their talent is young, and, they still want to have a few guys beyond Longoria that they want to build their team around.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 16, 2014 18:46:10 GMT -5
Should the Rays have a firesale? Do they have enough for a firesale? David DeJesus - .800 OPS against right-handed pitching but not much power. He probably has marginal value to someone. Ben Zobrist - a huge dropoff against right handed pitching this year. But his versatility and success against left handers will probably generate interest from someone. Tampa will have to eat some of his salary or take back a shitty prospect. Matt Joyce - another guy hits righties well but is so god awful against lefties that he doesn't hit against them at all. James Loney - Solid and consistent if unspectacular. Hits lefties and righties, at home and on the road. Again, there should be interest from someone seeing as there is probably a record numbers of buyers this year. But whoever gets him also has to pay him $7 million for 2015 and $8 million for 2016. That could dampen the market for him. David Price - He and Samardzija are the big fish among pitchers. He's going to get traded. Wouldn't be too surprised if a dark horse like Pittsburgh or Minnesota landed him. Ray Hannigan - At every trade deadline there has always been a market for backup catchers. Hannigan should get moved. Grant Balfour - Not as bad as his 5.88 ERA looks. He's only given up runs in 6 games this year. Unfortunately, in two of those games he gave up 5 runs. Throw those two games out and you have a guy with a much more serviceable 3.70 ERA. Eric Bedard - A lefty starter. They seem to have value until they are 50 fucking years old. But he's started 11 games and only has 3 quality starts, so, the market for him won't be too strong.
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Post by bigddude on Jun 16, 2014 18:53:54 GMT -5
Should the Rays have a firesale? Do they have enough for a firesale? David DeJesus - .800 OPS against right-handed pitching but not much power. He probably has marginal value to someone. Ben Zobrist - a huge dropoff against right handed pitching this year. But his versatility and success against left handers will probably generate interest from someone. Tampa will have to eat some of his salary or take back a shitty prospect. Matt Joyce - another guy hits righties well but is so god awful against lefties that he doesn't hit against them at all. James Loney - Solid and consistent if unspectacular. Hits lefties and righties, at home and on the road. Again, there should be interest from someone seeing as there is probably a record numbers of buyers this year. But whoever gets him also has to pay him $7 million for 2015 and $8 million for 2016. That could dampen the market for him. David Price - He and Samardzija are the big fish among pitchers. He's going to get traded. Wouldn't be too surprised if a dark horse like Pittsburgh or Minnesota landed him. Ray Hannigan - At every trade deadline there has always been a market for backup catchers. Hannigan should get moved. Grant Balfour - Not as bad as his 5.88 ERA looks. He's only given up runs in 6 games this year. Unfortunately, in two of those games he gave up 5 runs. Throw those two games out and you have a guy with a much more serviceable 3.70 ERA. Eric Bedard - A lefty starter. They seem to have value until they are 50 fucking years old. But he's started 11 games and only has 3 quality starts, so, the market for him won't be too strong.
Outside of Price, I don't see much value there to get any real value in return. That said, a lot of these guys could be plugged into contending teams, and be the otherwise missing piece. As such, the value will be in the beholder.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 16, 2014 18:59:48 GMT -5
David DeJesus - .800 OPS against right-handed pitching but not much power. He probably has marginal value to someone. Ben Zobrist - a huge dropoff against right handed pitching this year. But his versatility and success against left handers will probably generate interest from someone. Tampa will have to eat some of his salary or take back a shitty prospect. Matt Joyce - another guy hits righties well but is so god awful against lefties that he doesn't hit against them at all. James Loney - Solid and consistent if unspectacular. Hits lefties and righties, at home and on the road. Again, there should be interest from someone seeing as there is probably a record numbers of buyers this year. But whoever gets him also has to pay him $7 million for 2015 and $8 million for 2016. That could dampen the market for him. David Price - He and Samardzija are the big fish among pitchers. He's going to get traded. Wouldn't be too surprised if a dark horse like Pittsburgh or Minnesota landed him. Ray Hannigan - At every trade deadline there has always been a market for backup catchers. Hannigan should get moved. Grant Balfour - Not as bad as his 5.88 ERA looks. He's only given up runs in 6 games this year. Unfortunately, in two of those games he gave up 5 runs. Throw those two games out and you have a guy with a much more serviceable 3.70 ERA. Eric Bedard - A lefty starter. They seem to have value until they are 50 fucking years old. But he's started 11 games and only has 3 quality starts, so, the market for him won't be too strong.
Outside of Price, I don't see much value there to get any real value in return. That said, a lot of these guys could be plugged into contending teams, and be the otherwise missing piece. As such, the value will be in the beholder. They don't have to get value in return. Getting value in return isn't the primary objective of a fire sale, it's the secondary objective. The primary objective of a fire sale is to dump payroll. Those guys represent $38 million in payroll.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 16, 2014 19:01:11 GMT -5
Outside of Price, I don't see much value there to get any real value in return. That said, a lot of these guys could be plugged into contending teams, and be the otherwise missing piece. As such, the value will be in the beholder. They don't have to get value in return. Getting value in return isn't the primary objective of a fire sale, it's the secondary objective. The primary objective of a fire sale is to dump payroll. Those guys represent $38 million in payroll. Actually, counting Price, they represent $52 million in payroll.
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Post by bigddude on Jun 17, 2014 9:29:27 GMT -5
Outside of Price, I don't see much value there to get any real value in return. That said, a lot of these guys could be plugged into contending teams, and be the otherwise missing piece. As such, the value will be in the beholder. They don't have to get value in return. Getting value in return isn't the primary objective of a fire sale, it's the secondary objective. The primary objective of a fire sale is to dump payroll. Those guys represent $38 million in payroll. While of course the purpose of a fire sale is a salary dump, I guess I was also being mindful on what the Rays would be getting back in return, and how that would help them going forward.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 17, 2014 9:50:25 GMT -5
They don't have to get value in return. Getting value in return isn't the primary objective of a fire sale, it's the secondary objective. The primary objective of a fire sale is to dump payroll. Those guys represent $38 million in payroll. While of course the purpose of a fire sale is a salary dump, I guess I was also being mindful on what the Rays would be getting back in return, and how that would help them going forward. Here is my rationale: 6 of those 8 guys are not products of the organization and are on one or two year deals. The other two guys, Zobrist and Price, have priced themselves out of Tampa's budget. With these 8 guys, the Rays are the worst team in the AL. So the best thing they can do, going forward, is dump their salary. Then next year, they have $52 million plus their farm system to try to fill those 8 vacated spots, and hopefully have a better result. To me, this is what a true fire sale is. Why continue to pay guys who are leading your team to a last place finish and have no future with your club?
Sure, getting something of value in return would be great, but you know how this works, BigD. The better the prospect you get in return, the more of the salary you have to eat of the player you are trading. So, if your primary objective is to dump salary, then you shouldn't expect much in return.
The one thing Tampa has in its favor this is that it is one of only 6 or 7 teams that are definite sellers right now, so it looks to be a seller's market so far.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 17, 2014 10:57:16 GMT -5
My in-laws were watching the soccer game yesterday so I went to the bedroom and turned on baseball. Any baseball game, please, I hate soccer! I was even watching the stinking Cubs game. It sure beat soccer, though. What a boring game.
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Post by bigddude on Jun 17, 2014 13:07:07 GMT -5
My in-laws were watching the soccer game yesterday so I went to the bedroom and turned on baseball. Any baseball game, please, I hate soccer! I was even watching the stinking Cubs game. It sure beat soccer, though. What a boring game. I will watch my usual zero of this as well. However, my lack of interest is not the root of my issue with the world cup now. My issue is with all the people that get all excited about it, and discuss it like they know the game and players, and how they dump soccer like a fat ex girlfriend after the cup is over, not to speak of it again for 4 years. That, I don't get or understand.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 17, 2014 13:17:12 GMT -5
My in-laws were watching the soccer game yesterday so I went to the bedroom and turned on baseball. Any baseball game, please, I hate soccer! I was even watching the stinking Cubs game. It sure beat soccer, though. What a boring game. I will watch my usual zero of this as well. However, my lack of interest is not the root of my issue with the world cup now. My issue is with all the people that get all excited about it, and discuss it like they know the game and players, and how they dump soccer like a fat ex girlfriend after the cup is over, not to speak of it again for 4 years. That, I don't get or understand. That's just people who insist on being part of the "in" crowd. Whatever people are talking about, well, they are experts automatically. Automatic idiots. LOL My in-laws (Colombians) love soccer all year round and some of them complain about American football because the action stops at the end of each play and there are too many penalties, etc. I tell them to just go watch soccer and shut up. LOL They like baseball but not too much. It is the Venezuelans and Cubans that love baseball like soccer. And there are plenty of Venezuelans and Cubans playing MLB, too. Almost nobody gets into basketball like Americans do. Mainly because they don't have the athleticism required to play the game on a pro level. Hockey is okay but I don't get into it much because there isn't a team in ATlanta. They both sucked so we ran them out of town. LOL
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Post by BHR on Jun 18, 2014 7:18:28 GMT -5
Thanks bigD. Good reads on the rays
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Post by BHR on Jun 18, 2014 7:19:05 GMT -5
I just hope they get a chance to play in Tampa before MLB moves them out of the area
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Post by bigddude on Jun 18, 2014 9:33:37 GMT -5
Thanks bigD. Good reads on the rays I am pretty sure that Cotton deserves that credit, and, I would not want to take any that is not mine.
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Post by redseat on Jun 18, 2014 15:40:54 GMT -5
Is Brock Holt the Red Sox MVP?
Absolutely YES!
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Post by BHR on Jun 19, 2014 13:59:53 GMT -5
MLB Blogs Five trade ideas involving David Price By Jim Bowden | June 18, 2014 10:00:56 AM PDT
Mike Carlson/Getty Images It makes more sense for the Rays to trade David Price now than wait until this offseason. The top-of-the-rotation pitcher most likely to be traded between now and the trade deadline is David Price of the Tampa Bay Rays. Jeff Samardzija and Cliff Lee are also in the conversation, but the Cubs still could re-sign Samardzija, and a Lee trade would require a return to full health for him and a willingness to be traded to specific teams. The Rays don't have either obstacle with Price.
The Rays also know the best time to trade Price is now; the return won't be as high this offseason or next July as it will be over the next six weeks. So it's only matter of time before he's dealt to the highest bidder.
The most interesting aspect of a potential deal is that there aren't as many contending teams looking for a top-of-the-rotation starter as in the past. For example, in the National League, teams such as the Cardinals, Brewers, Reds, Giants, Dodgers and Nationals all have enough pitching at the top that they have no reason to empty their farm system to acquire Price. In fact, I would argue the Braves (who, by the way, have the best starting pitcher ERA in the league) are the only NL team likely to inquire about Price.
In the American League, two of the top teams -- Oakland and Detroit -- also probably won't be bidding, though I'd never put anything past A's GM Billy Beane, based on his track record.
The Rays could get a large package for Price -- as many as four or five prospects -- but it's more likely they'll shoot for quality over quantity and end up with a two-for-one or three-for-one deal, with the possibility of more players being thrown in by either side. For the purpose of this exercise, I'll try to find the best two-for-one or three-for-one deals that could be offered for Price.
Here are the five teams I view most likely to trade for Price, along with potential deals involving each club:
1. Los Angeles Angels
The Angels appear to be the favorite to win the American League's first wild-card berth, and they actually have a legitimate shot of overtaking the Oakland A's and winning the West. A deal for Price would certainly seal the deal, and the Angels have enough to make it work. They might not have the young starting pitching the Rays would ideally seek, but they do have the bats to get it done. C.J. Cron would have to be the central piece in the deal, and given his potential to develop into a 30-homer, middle-of-the-lineup hitter, he'd be a perfect fit for the Rays, who are trying to build the middle of their lineup to complement Evan Longoria and Wil Myers. Sure, the Rays have James Loney signed for two more years, but the Rays could have Cron and Loney share the first base and DH slots until Loney's deal is up, or they could trade Loney this offseason, given his affordable contract.
The Rays also would need a second good player, and Alex Yarbrough, the Angels' second-round selection in the 2012 draft, is a player they have targeted. Yarbrough could be their long-term solution at second base, a position they'll likely need to fill with Ben Zobrist expected to leave via trade this season or free agency this offseason. The Angels can afford to give up Cron, considering Mike Trout, Albert Pujols and Josh Hamilton are all signed to long-term deals and anchor the middle of their lineup. And with top prospect Taylor Lindsey also at second base, Yarbrough could be dealt. The Angels have the resources available to attain Price for the next year and a half, and if he does well, the team could sign him long-term after that. Adding Price to a rotation that already includes Jered Weaver, C.J. Wilson and Garrett Richards would make the Angels a serious World Series threat.
The trade: C.J. Cron and Alex Yarbrough for Price.
2. Toronto Blue Jays
The Blue Jays are in a similar situation to the Angels, as they are probably one top-of-the-rotation pitcher away from winning the AL East and being a serious postseason threat. Although the Rays would no doubt prefer to trade Price outside the division (or the league, for that matter), the Blue Jays are one of the few teams that can offer the Rays exactly what they want: a potential No. 1 starter. A deal involving Aaron Sanchez and a throw-in for Price would probably work for both teams. It would give the Jays a chance to win the AL East in a year in which the division is down overall, and with Price joining Mark Buehrle, R.A. Dickey and Drew Hutchison, the team would have the chance to run the table in October.
The Jays likely would prefer to put Marcus Stroman in the deal instead of Sanchez, but the Rays seem to prefer Sanchez. Sanchez needs to work on his command and control, and though he doesn't have Cy Young potential, he would fit in nicely with Matt Moore, Alex Cobb and Chris Archer as the Rays build their future rotation. Right-handed pitching prospect Alberto Tirado, who is only 19 years old, is having a down year, but he'd be a perfect throw-in and someday could develop into a quality setup reliever. The Rays could take advantage of his stock being down and get him in this deal.
The trade: Aaron Sanchez and Alberto Tirado for Price.
3. Chicago White Sox
The White Sox haven't really been linked to Price, but it's time to realize they are committed to rebuilding and winning, and Price would make them a legitimate wild-card contender this year. Rick Hahn has done a masterful job since taking over as the GM in Chicago, highlighted by his outbidding everyone for MVP candidate Jose Abreu, who should be the starting first baseman in the All-Star Game next month. President Ken Williams and owner Jerry Reinsdorf know what it's like to hold up a World Series trophy in the White House, and with Williams' passion for winning and Reinsdorf's willingness to spend smartly to win, a potential trade for Price should not be dismissed. Remember when the White Sox flew under the radar and outbid everyone for Jake Peavy? I can see them doing it again here.
The Rays could ask for second baseman Micah Johnson, who has quickly proven himself in the minor leagues to the tune of a .297 average and .371 on-base percentage. Johnson has good speed, and his defense is improving. Most importantly, he profiles as a leadoff hitter, the type of table-setter the Rays need atop their lineup. The Rays would need another significant piece in the deal, and struggling starting pitcher Erik Johnson could be the guy who makes the deal work. He was impressive in 2012 and 2013, when he showed plus stuff, and was in the team's rotation to start the season, but five failed starts got him shipped to the minors, where he continues to struggle. A physical would have to be done, of course, but if he's cleared, there's no reason he can't bounce back and develop into a solid No. 3 starter. Solving problems at second base and the top of the lineup while adding another solid starter might be enough to get Price at the end of the day. Since this package is "light" compared to the previous two deals, a throw-in such as right-handed pitching prospect Chris Beck would be necessary.
The trade: Micah Johnson, Erik Johnson and Chris Beck for Price.
4. New York Yankees
Yankees owner Hal Steinbrenner has made it clear that he will provide GM Brian Cashman the resources he needs to make a blockbuster deal at the trade deadline, and the Yankees won't be seeing the postseason if they don't deal for another legitimate starter who doesn't have health or decline questions. The Yankees' system is loaded, and though they would decline the inclusion of Dellin Betances, the Rays' first choice, they would give up what they have to in the minor leagues to acquire Price. The Rays have a long-term need at catcher, and Gary Sanchez would be the perfect acquisition in a Price deal. Sanchez would benefit from being developed behind the Rays' Ryan Hanigan, who did a great job influencing Devin Mesoraco in Cincinnati before his trade to Tampa Bay. The Rays would also need a pitcher back in the deal, with Luis Severino being a top target. The 20-year-old is dominating the South Atlantic League, with a strikeout per inning and an ERA under 3.00. And because the Yankees would have to overpay -- they're in the Rays' division and don't have an Aaron Sanchez to deal -- they also might have to toss in power-hitting prospect Peter O'Brien, who continues to hit towering home runs at an alarming rate (23 already between High A and Double-A).
Would the Yankees pay this enormous price to get Price? They might, considering both Brian McCann and Mark Teixeira are signed long-term and they could have Masahiru Tanaka, Price and Michael Pineda in their rotation for years to come.
The trade: Gary Sanchez, Luis Severino and Peter O'Brien for Price.
5. Atlanta Braves
Every time I ask Braves GM Frank Wren what the one piece is he'd like to add to his club, he tells me a No. 1 starter. I suppose all 30 GMs should always answer that way too. Realistically, he told me bullpen help is probably what they will focus on at the trade deadline, but I would never put a Price deal past this organization, given the team's past success with top-of-the-rotation starters. If they could put Price with Julio Teheran at the top of the rotation, they would be set for years to come. The Braves also know that the other elite teams in the NL -- the Nationals, Cardinals, Giants and Dodgers -- all have better 1-2 punches at the top of the rotation; to get by those teams, they'd need to acquire another ace at some point. Well, Price could be that guy, and Rays GM Andrew Friedman would probably be most comfortable dealing Price out of the American League.
The biggest question with the Braves is whether they have enough in their system to make a deal of this magnitude. The answer is yes, though they might have to trade someone from their big league club as well. The Rays would love to get Alex Wood, who lost his spot in the Braves' rotation and is now pitching out of their bullpen. Wood, who has a 5-6 record and 3.43 ERA, would fit in nicely in the Rays' rotation. The Rays would also insist on getting the Braves' top pitching prospect, Lucas Sims, who is struggling in the Carolina League this year after going 12-4 with a 2.62 ERA last year at Rome in the South Atlantic League. Despite an ERA closer to 5 than 4 this year, Sims still profiles to be a solid No. 2 or 3 starter down the road. The former first-round pick from 2012 would quickly become the Rays' top pitching prospect. Including another pitching prospect should be able to close the deal with the Rays and, in turn, give the Braves what they need to be legitimate NL East and World Series contenders. The inclusion of three pitchers of this quality would have to be tempting for the Rays to move Price out of the AL.
The trade: Alex Wood, Lucas Sims and a pitching prospect for Price.
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Post by bigddude on Jun 19, 2014 15:54:41 GMT -5
MLB Blogs Five trade ideas involving David Price By Jim Bowden | June 18, 2014 10:00:56 AM PDT Mike Carlson/Getty Images It makes more sense for the Rays to trade David Price now than wait until this offseason. The top-of-the-rotation pitcher most likely to be traded between now and the trade deadline is David Price of the Tampa Bay Rays. Jeff Samardzija and Cliff Lee are also in the conversation, but the Cubs still could re-sign Samardzija, and a Lee trade would require a return to full health for him and a willingness to be traded to specific teams. The Rays don't have either obstacle with Price. The Rays also know the best time to trade Price is now; the return won't be as high this offseason or next July as it will be over the next six weeks. So it's only matter of time before he's dealt to the highest bidder. The most interesting aspect of a potential deal is that there aren't as many contending teams looking for a top-of-the-rotation starter as in the past. For example, in the National League, teams such as the Cardinals, Brewers, Reds, Giants, Dodgers and Nationals all have enough pitching at the top that they have no reason to empty their farm system to acquire Price. In fact, I would argue the Braves (who, by the way, have the best starting pitcher ERA in the league) are the only NL team likely to inquire about Price. In the American League, two of the top teams -- Oakland and Detroit -- also probably won't be bidding, though I'd never put anything past A's GM Billy Beane, based on his track record. The Rays could get a large package for Price -- as many as four or five prospects -- but it's more likely they'll shoot for quality over quantity and end up with a two-for-one or three-for-one deal, with the possibility of more players being thrown in by either side. For the purpose of this exercise, I'll try to find the best two-for-one or three-for-one deals that could be offered for Price. Here are the five teams I view most likely to trade for Price, along with potential deals involving each club: 1. Los Angeles Angels The Angels appear to be the favorite to win the American League's first wild-card berth, and they actually have a legitimate shot of overtaking the Oakland A's and winning the West. A deal for Price would certainly seal the deal, and the Angels have enough to make it work. They might not have the young starting pitching the Rays would ideally seek, but they do have the bats to get it done. C.J. Cron would have to be the central piece in the deal, and given his potential to develop into a 30-homer, middle-of-the-lineup hitter, he'd be a perfect fit for the Rays, who are trying to build the middle of their lineup to complement Evan Longoria and Wil Myers. Sure, the Rays have James Loney signed for two more years, but the Rays could have Cron and Loney share the first base and DH slots until Loney's deal is up, or they could trade Loney this offseason, given his affordable contract. The Rays also would need a second good player, and Alex Yarbrough, the Angels' second-round selection in the 2012 draft, is a player they have targeted. Yarbrough could be their long-term solution at second base, a position they'll likely need to fill with Ben Zobrist expected to leave via trade this season or free agency this offseason. The Angels can afford to give up Cron, considering Mike Trout, Albert Pujols and Josh Hamilton are all signed to long-term deals and anchor the middle of their lineup. And with top prospect Taylor Lindsey also at second base, Yarbrough could be dealt. The Angels have the resources available to attain Price for the next year and a half, and if he does well, the team could sign him long-term after that. Adding Price to a rotation that already includes Jered Weaver, C.J. Wilson and Garrett Richards would make the Angels a serious World Series threat. The trade: C.J. Cron and Alex Yarbrough for Price. 2. Toronto Blue Jays The Blue Jays are in a similar situation to the Angels, as they are probably one top-of-the-rotation pitcher away from winning the AL East and being a serious postseason threat. Although the Rays would no doubt prefer to trade Price outside the division (or the league, for that matter), the Blue Jays are one of the few teams that can offer the Rays exactly what they want: a potential No. 1 starter. A deal involving Aaron Sanchez and a throw-in for Price would probably work for both teams. It would give the Jays a chance to win the AL East in a year in which the division is down overall, and with Price joining Mark Buehrle, R.A. Dickey and Drew Hutchison, the team would have the chance to run the table in October. The Jays likely would prefer to put Marcus Stroman in the deal instead of Sanchez, but the Rays seem to prefer Sanchez. Sanchez needs to work on his command and control, and though he doesn't have Cy Young potential, he would fit in nicely with Matt Moore, Alex Cobb and Chris Archer as the Rays build their future rotation. Right-handed pitching prospect Alberto Tirado, who is only 19 years old, is having a down year, but he'd be a perfect throw-in and someday could develop into a quality setup reliever. The Rays could take advantage of his stock being down and get him in this deal. The trade: Aaron Sanchez and Alberto Tirado for Price. 3. Chicago White Sox The White Sox haven't really been linked to Price, but it's time to realize they are committed to rebuilding and winning, and Price would make them a legitimate wild-card contender this year. Rick Hahn has done a masterful job since taking over as the GM in Chicago, highlighted by his outbidding everyone for MVP candidate Jose Abreu, who should be the starting first baseman in the All-Star Game next month. President Ken Williams and owner Jerry Reinsdorf know what it's like to hold up a World Series trophy in the White House, and with Williams' passion for winning and Reinsdorf's willingness to spend smartly to win, a potential trade for Price should not be dismissed. Remember when the White Sox flew under the radar and outbid everyone for Jake Peavy? I can see them doing it again here. The Rays could ask for second baseman Micah Johnson, who has quickly proven himself in the minor leagues to the tune of a .297 average and .371 on-base percentage. Johnson has good speed, and his defense is improving. Most importantly, he profiles as a leadoff hitter, the type of table-setter the Rays need atop their lineup. The Rays would need another significant piece in the deal, and struggling starting pitcher Erik Johnson could be the guy who makes the deal work. He was impressive in 2012 and 2013, when he showed plus stuff, and was in the team's rotation to start the season, but five failed starts got him shipped to the minors, where he continues to struggle. A physical would have to be done, of course, but if he's cleared, there's no reason he can't bounce back and develop into a solid No. 3 starter. Solving problems at second base and the top of the lineup while adding another solid starter might be enough to get Price at the end of the day. Since this package is "light" compared to the previous two deals, a throw-in such as right-handed pitching prospect Chris Beck would be necessary. The trade: Micah Johnson, Erik Johnson and Chris Beck for Price. 4. New York Yankees Yankees owner Hal Steinbrenner has made it clear that he will provide GM Brian Cashman the resources he needs to make a blockbuster deal at the trade deadline, and the Yankees won't be seeing the postseason if they don't deal for another legitimate starter who doesn't have health or decline questions. The Yankees' system is loaded, and though they would decline the inclusion of Dellin Betances, the Rays' first choice, they would give up what they have to in the minor leagues to acquire Price. The Rays have a long-term need at catcher, and Gary Sanchez would be the perfect acquisition in a Price deal. Sanchez would benefit from being developed behind the Rays' Ryan Hanigan, who did a great job influencing Devin Mesoraco in Cincinnati before his trade to Tampa Bay. The Rays would also need a pitcher back in the deal, with Luis Severino being a top target. The 20-year-old is dominating the South Atlantic League, with a strikeout per inning and an ERA under 3.00. And because the Yankees would have to overpay -- they're in the Rays' division and don't have an Aaron Sanchez to deal -- they also might have to toss in power-hitting prospect Peter O'Brien, who continues to hit towering home runs at an alarming rate (23 already between High A and Double-A). Would the Yankees pay this enormous price to get Price? They might, considering both Brian McCann and Mark Teixeira are signed long-term and they could have Masahiru Tanaka, Price and Michael Pineda in their rotation for years to come. The trade: Gary Sanchez, Luis Severino and Peter O'Brien for Price. 5. Atlanta Braves Every time I ask Braves GM Frank Wren what the one piece is he'd like to add to his club, he tells me a No. 1 starter. I suppose all 30 GMs should always answer that way too. Realistically, he told me bullpen help is probably what they will focus on at the trade deadline, but I would never put a Price deal past this organization, given the team's past success with top-of-the-rotation starters. If they could put Price with Julio Teheran at the top of the rotation, they would be set for years to come. The Braves also know that the other elite teams in the NL -- the Nationals, Cardinals, Giants and Dodgers -- all have better 1-2 punches at the top of the rotation; to get by those teams, they'd need to acquire another ace at some point. Well, Price could be that guy, and Rays GM Andrew Friedman would probably be most comfortable dealing Price out of the American League. The biggest question with the Braves is whether they have enough in their system to make a deal of this magnitude. The answer is yes, though they might have to trade someone from their big league club as well. The Rays would love to get Alex Wood, who lost his spot in the Braves' rotation and is now pitching out of their bullpen. Wood, who has a 5-6 record and 3.43 ERA, would fit in nicely in the Rays' rotation. The Rays would also insist on getting the Braves' top pitching prospect, Lucas Sims, who is struggling in the Carolina League this year after going 12-4 with a 2.62 ERA last year at Rome in the South Atlantic League. Despite an ERA closer to 5 than 4 this year, Sims still profiles to be a solid No. 2 or 3 starter down the road. The former first-round pick from 2012 would quickly become the Rays' top pitching prospect. Including another pitching prospect should be able to close the deal with the Rays and, in turn, give the Braves what they need to be legitimate NL East and World Series contenders. The inclusion of three pitchers of this quality would have to be tempting for the Rays to move Price out of the AL. The trade: Alex Wood, Lucas Sims and a pitching prospect for Price. A very good read, with 5 good options to ponder. Well done sir.
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Post by Zig on Jun 19, 2014 18:13:51 GMT -5
2 of the 5 teams are in their own division...I'd scratch those teams off...
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Post by Deleted on Jun 19, 2014 18:22:10 GMT -5
We'll give them the deal of a lifetime! How about Uggla and BJ Upton for Price? Great deal folks! You gotta love it. LMAO
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Post by Deleted on Jun 19, 2014 18:24:00 GMT -5
Just to show you that we are filled with good will we will throw in Freddy Gonzalez and our hitting coach for just for craps and giggles!
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Post by bigddude on Jun 19, 2014 18:27:12 GMT -5
2 of the 5 teams are in their own division...I'd scratch those teams off... Conventional wisdom, to be sure. However, as so many team have already checked in and balked at the asking price, I would think he could be had within the division if the price is right.
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Post by bigddude on Jun 19, 2014 18:29:43 GMT -5
We'll give them the deal of a lifetime! How about Uggla and BJ Upton for Price? Great deal folks! You gotta love it. LMAO They would probably also ask for at least Christian Bethancourt, and maybe even for their recent draft pick Braxton Davidson.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 19, 2014 18:38:15 GMT -5
We'll give them the deal of a lifetime! How about Uggla and BJ Upton for Price? Great deal folks! You gotta love it. LMAO They would probably also ask for at least Christian Bethancourt, and maybe even for their recent draft pick Braxton Davidson. I'm sure they would. That must be why there will be no deal and we have heard of no further developments. (LOL)
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Post by bigddude on Jun 19, 2014 18:54:34 GMT -5
They would probably also ask for at least Christian Bethancourt, and maybe even for their recent draft pick Braxton Davidson. I'm sure they would. That must be why there will be no deal and we have heard of no further developments. (LOL) That is EXACTLY the why. At least they are not making any secret of it, so all teams know they are going to have to part with some good young talent to land him. Someone will bite, but who?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 19, 2014 19:06:53 GMT -5
Giants need Zobrist ASAP.
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Post by nava on Jun 19, 2014 22:28:53 GMT -5
The Red Sox would gladly take Zobrist.
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Post by BHR on Jun 20, 2014 7:34:21 GMT -5
Gavin Floyd's career could be done. Braves might bite now
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Post by BHR on Jun 20, 2014 7:36:53 GMT -5
By the way. I lost faith in humanity last night. Didn't realize we let Steve bedrosia reproduce. To top that off. His spawn pitches for the angels
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Post by bigddude on Jun 20, 2014 9:29:55 GMT -5
The Red Sox would gladly take Zobrist. Be careful what you wish for guys with Zobrist. His offensive numbers are well down from previous years. That said, every and any MLB or fantasy team can use a super sub like Zobrist. However, at this moment, his versitility is his main asset, not his raw offensive production.
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