|
|
Post by pr0t0cl0wn on Apr 25, 2017 22:16:46 GMT -5
sounds a lot like the NFL's all time leading rusher.....give him a decent OLine and get him to the 2nd level some......he'll gain a shit ton of yards..... He's more Walter Payton style than Emmitt. Seriously, have you ever heard Emmitt Smith talk? He's the complete opposite of a Stanford undergrad  |
|
|
|
Post by Swamp Dragon on Apr 25, 2017 23:25:51 GMT -5
sounds a lot like the NFL's all time leading rusher.....give him a decent OLine and get him to the 2nd level some......he'll gain a shit ton of yards..... He's more Walter Payton style than Emmitt. Emmitt was slow for a RB the reason he fell in the draft to begin with but Emmitt could run between the tackles which I don't believe McCaffery can, well at least as far as consistently anyways. I see him as a better version of Tavon Austin and a ceiling of Sproles 2.0 |
|
|
|
Post by pr0t0cl0wn on Apr 26, 2017 8:25:30 GMT -5
|
|
Otis B. Driftwood
VIP Member
I have had a perfectly wonderful evening, but this wasn't it.
Posts: 7,943
Likes: 2,185
|
Post by Otis B. Driftwood on Apr 26, 2017 8:36:08 GMT -5
Gareon Conley being investigated on rape accusations. Say goodbye to that 1st round money. Wonder if this changes anything? |
|
Otis B. Driftwood
VIP Member
I have had a perfectly wonderful evening, but this wasn't it.
Posts: 7,943
Likes: 2,185
|
Post by Otis B. Driftwood on Apr 26, 2017 11:25:11 GMT -5
Wonder if this changes anything? That's a ridiculously long article that reads like a poorly written Penthouse story. Which kinda sums up the entire episode doesn't it... A really, really bad Penthouse "Letter to the Editor". |
|
lemiwinks
VIP Member
Posts: 44,029 
Likes: 4,976
|
Post by lemiwinks on Apr 26, 2017 11:44:58 GMT -5
you just refuse to give the Bears Adams at #3.....
GIVE THEM ADAMS!!!!!!!!
I do like the corner better than Hooker.....I just don't want a safety that cant or wont tackle.
You could be absolutely right with this one, I'm just hoping for Adams. And PRAYING they aren't stupid enough to take a QB here.
----------------- they signed 2 FA CBs.....Prince Amukamara & Marcus Cooper.....wont stop them from drafting the CB, but they don't HAVE to. I think they kind of HAVE to draft a safety... Lots of safeties that'd be there at 35 Baker, Obi are possibilities to still be there and baker is alsoi a slot CB Yes there might be a few top SB;'s still too. I actually changed it cause safeties just haven't gone that high and the 5th year options would be out of whack with the prevailing norm but 5th year option, the team can decide if its worth it, or not worth it at that point. |
|
|
|
Post by Swamp Dragon on Apr 26, 2017 12:12:20 GMT -5
Gareon Conley being investigated on rape accusations. Say goodbye to that 1st round money. Wonder if this changes anything? Bet his agent ain't happy he's probably fronted him a bunch of cash for training and an advance on his first years salary. Which will now be about a quarter of what would have been before this incident |
|
|
|
Post by Swamp Dragon on Apr 26, 2017 12:43:26 GMT -5
Lots of safeties that'd be there at 35 Baker, Obi are possibilities to still be there and baker is alsoi a slot CB Yes there might be a few top SB;'s still too. I actually changed it cause safeties just haven't gone that high and the 5th year options would be out of whack with the prevailing norm but 5th year option, the team can decide if its worth it, or not worth it at that point. A player picked in the top 5 that doesn't get the option picked up is a bust IMO Actually make that top 10 |
|
|
|
Post by pr0t0cl0wn on Apr 26, 2017 13:22:07 GMT -5
but 5th year option, the team can decide if its worth it, or not worth it at that point. A player picked in the top 5 that doesn't get the option picked up is a bust IMO Actually make that top 10 there are also bad GMs that draft and then pick up the options |
|
|
|
Post by Swamp Dragon on Apr 26, 2017 16:55:01 GMT -5
A player picked in the top 5 that doesn't get the option picked up is a bust IMO Actually make that top 10 there are also bad GMs that draft and then pick up the options From the Panthers fan site The fifth-year option pays players taken in the first 10 picks the transition tag—average salary of the top 10 earning players at the position. Players selected outside of the top 10 (picks 11-32), the fifth-year salary is the average of the third through twenty-fifth highest salaries at a player's position. The fifth year is guaranteed for injury when the option is exercised. The injury guarantee would only kick in if a player was unable to play the following season after getting hurt. Remember, the option still allows a team can easily still cut any of these players before their fifth-year salaries are due, but becomes fully guaranteed on the first day of the league year in the fifth contract year. So if he ain't near that level you might as well jettison him and take 3rd rounder the following year. This actually puts drafting RB's at an advantage as their salaries are now quite low. ILB have problems cause they are grouped in with OLB's and OLB's in 3-4's get paid. Kinda weird cause all other positions with the exception of Guards and Centers are segregated by position |
|
|
|
Post by Swamp Dragon on Apr 26, 2017 17:24:36 GMT -5
Anyone see Peter King's mock draft today? I forget where I saw the comment, maybe reddit, but someone said it looks like he took a mock draft from 2-3 months ago and tried to pass it off as his own, its godawful McCaffery is a surprise Allen is too low I am not a Barnett fan so he's way early IMO. I was going to put Reddick at the Bengals but Foster is a better prospect than Kuechely red flags not withstanding and Cincy doesn't shy away from red flags. Njoku is Ebron with less blocking skills (which ain't much) Texans wouldn't have to move up to get Watson and Mahoomes doesn't fit Reid's M.O. I like Mahoomes for Arians I can see Reid taking the Pitt QB 3rd round or later. Romo retiring instead of going to the Texans has made this draft crazy. QB-wise, he signs I'd bet that there would not be a QB till the mid 20's when the Browns would have moved up and the other QB needing teams would have scooped up the others early 2nd Hopefully avoiding the 22nd pick where they selected Quinn Weeden & Manziel as their QB's of the future |
|
|
|
Post by pr0t0cl0wn on Apr 26, 2017 18:00:40 GMT -5
I kind of want to see the Browns fuck up this draft and take a QB with their #1 pick. After Carson Wentz tore them up in Week 1, they said we don't regret our decision to pass on him in the draft. He continues to play well and Cleveland reiterates the same thing. Back in March for whatever reason - likely media prompting - the Brownies state yet again they don't regret blah blah blah. Yet here they were in early-mid April allegedly debating wasting their pick on Trubisky. That QB position is eating them up. And I understand they're too proud to admit it. But passing on Myles Garrett to reach on a QB would be the icing on the fucking cake. It would be the Brownsiest thing to do, and while as a fellow fan of a team that keeps shitting in their hand and eating it on draft day, I hope they can get it together...some camaraderie there, but on the same note...schadenfreude is fan-FUCKING-tastic too |
|
Otis B. Driftwood
VIP Member
I have had a perfectly wonderful evening, but this wasn't it.
Posts: 7,943
Likes: 2,185
|
Post by Otis B. Driftwood on Apr 27, 2017 6:40:26 GMT -5
Let the chaos commence.
|
|
|
|
Post by pr0t0cl0wn on Apr 27, 2017 6:48:01 GMT -5
if he's a GM from a team in the top 10, it means he's probably pretty fucking stupid. If the Browns ownership makes them take Tubby #1, Hue Jackson should quit on the spot |
|
Otis B. Driftwood
VIP Member
I have had a perfectly wonderful evening, but this wasn't it.
Posts: 7,943
Likes: 2,185
|
Post by Otis B. Driftwood on Apr 27, 2017 7:25:23 GMT -5
if he's a GM from a team in the top 10, it means he's probably pretty fucking stupid. If the Browns ownership makes them take Tubby #1, Hue Jackson should quit on the spot There is NO WAY you take any QB in this draft over Garrett. None. Unless you are a completely inept front office with zero comprehension of how things work in the NFL. Then - there are the Browns. |
|
|
|
Post by pr0t0cl0wn on Apr 27, 2017 7:56:42 GMT -5
if he's a GM from a team in the top 10, it means he's probably pretty fucking stupid. If the Browns ownership makes them take Tubby #1, Hue Jackson should quit on the spot There is NO WAY you take any QB in this draft over Garrett. None. Unless you are a completely inept front office with zero comprehension of how things work in the NFL. Then - there are the Browns. I wouldn't want any QB in this draft until the 5th round as a project, I think they're all trash that need more work than is worth any team's time. |
|
|
|
Post by pr0t0cl0wn on Apr 27, 2017 7:59:45 GMT -5
Some tidbits from my good friend that works at SI doing football coverage from his talking with other reporters:
- Browns Coaches want Garrett, the front office wants Trubitsky. Its Hue Jackson vs Paul DePodesta right now. Coaches will riot if they pass on Garrett.
- Dalvin Cook and Ruben Foster will tumble, probably out of round 1.
- Charles Harris & Hassan Riddick are shooting up
- Dolphins are trying hard to move Jarvis Landry
- Texans love Watson and will take him if he falls past 10.
- Cards don't want Mahomes at 13, they're dead set on a defensive player or WR. They would consider trading back into the 1st if he falls past 20.
|
|
lemiwinks
VIP Member
Posts: 44,029
Likes: 4,976
|
Post by lemiwinks on Apr 27, 2017 10:18:14 GMT -5
there are also bad GMs that draft and then pick up the options From the Panthers fan site The fifth-year option pays players taken in the first 10 picks the transition tag—average salary of the top 10 earning players at the
position. Players selected outside of the top 10 (picks 11-32), the fifth-year salary is the average of the third through twenty-fifth highest salaries at a player's position. The fifth year is guaranteed for injury when the option is exercised. The injury guarantee would only kick in if a player was unable to play the following season after getting hurt. Remember, the option still allows a team can easily still cut any of these players before their fifth-year salaries are due, but becomes fully guaranteed on the first day of the league year in the fifth contract year. So if he ain't near that level you might as well jettison him and take 3rd rounder the following year. This actually puts drafting RB's at an advantage as their salaries are now quite low. ILB have problems cause they are grouped in with OLB's and OLB's in 3-4's get paid. Kinda weird cause all other positions with the exception of Guards and Centers are segregated by position "at the position"
that is what I thought.....so the 5th year option for a safety at #3 will be a less than a CB at #3. So $$ shouldn't keep you from drafting a safety at #3, just whether or not you think the position and player warrants a #3 pick.
|
|
lemiwinks
VIP Member
Posts: 44,029
Likes: 4,976
|
Post by lemiwinks on Apr 27, 2017 10:27:24 GMT -5
Some tidbits from my good friend that works at SI doing football coverage from his talking with other reporters: - Browns Coaches want Garrett, the front office wants Trubitsky. Its Hue Jackson vs Paul DePodesta right now. Coaches will riot if they pass on Garrett. - Dalvin Cook and Ruben Foster will tumble, probably out of round 1. - Charles Harris & Hassan Riddick are shooting up - Dolphins are trying hard to move Jarvis Landry- Texans love Watson and will take him if he falls past 10. - Cards don't want Mahomes at 13, they're dead set on a defensive player or WR. They would consider trading back into the 1st if he falls past 20. I like Landry.....wonder if they would take a 4th rounder for him.
What makes me nervous is that Gase has been the ONLY good offensive mind the bears have had in the last 20 years, and if he doesn't want him, something must be wrong with him.
|
|
|
|
Post by pr0t0cl0wn on Apr 27, 2017 11:01:32 GMT -5
Landry is a solid slot guy. Runs clean routes, catches the ball when its thrown to him. Doesn't do much after the catch, but he catches the actual ball. I'll take solid and not flashy over flashy, but all show any day of the week.
|
|
Otis B. Driftwood
VIP Member
I have had a perfectly wonderful evening, but this wasn't it.
Posts: 7,943
Likes: 2,185
|
Post by Otis B. Driftwood on Apr 27, 2017 11:38:11 GMT -5
Some tidbits from my good friend that works at SI doing football coverage from his talking with other reporters: Thoughts... If they pick Trubisky and I were a Cleveland fan, I'd be looking for a new team. The front office doesn't respect them. I know a bunch of Iggles fans that want Cook instead of McCafferty. They might revolt. Hate hearing about Harris moving up. Scuttlebutt here is the Cowboys really like him - above Watt, McKinley or Charlton. Love his game but the Cowboys have Beasley as their posession receiver already. That would be a great spot for him to land. I'm still not convinced he is much more than Vince Young with a "bit" of a better arm but no one can argue with his leadership. Still wouldn't take a QB in the 1st round but the Texans are one team who can afford the risk. I still maintain - someone is going to get a hell of a QB with him. Especially if they can let him sit and learn for one or two seasons. |
|
|
|
Post by Swamp Dragon on Apr 27, 2017 13:15:40 GMT -5
Some tidbits from my good friend that works at SI doing football coverage from his talking with other reporters: - Browns Coaches want Garrett, the front office wants Trubitsky. Its Hue Jackson vs Paul DePodesta right now. Coaches will riot if they pass on Garrett. - Dalvin Cook and Ruben Foster will tumble, probably out of round 1. - Charles Harris & Hassan Riddick are shooting up - Dolphins are trying hard to move Jarvis Landry - Texans love Watson and will take him if he falls past 10. - Cards don't want Mahomes at 13, they're dead set on a defensive player or WR. They would consider trading back into the 1st if he falls past 20. Maybe half a dozen spots at best. Cook I read somewhere I believe SI that someone is making bogus allegations about him. So I take it the security squads for teams will hunt it out and we'll see tonight |
|
|
|
Post by Swamp Dragon on Apr 27, 2017 19:09:17 GMT -5
Some tidbits from my good friend that works at SI doing football coverage from his talking with other reporters: Thoughts... If they pick Trubisky and I were a Cleveland fan, I'd be looking for a new team. The front office doesn't respect them. My issue with that isn't that their is an argument over who it's that Hue is one of the "QB Whisperers" and if he wants them to pass for Garrett they should. What I read into this is that Hue likes Trubisky best of the QB's but wants them to wait till their 2nd pick at 12 or trade up for him
I know a bunch of Iggles fans that want Cook instead of McCafferty. They might revolt. Cook apparently has some person spreading false accusations at him. Rumors that they came from Russia have not been proven at this point
Hate hearing about Harris moving up. Scuttlebutt here is the Cowboys really like him - above Watt, McKinley or Charlton. Love his game but the Cowboys have Beasley as their possession receiver already. Landry is at a far more reasonable rate almost 3M less
That would be a great spot for him to land. I'm still not convinced he is much more than Vince Young with a "bit" of a better arm but no one can argue with his leadership. Still wouldn't take a QB in the 1st round but the Texans are one team who can afford the risk. My biggest issue with him was ball management too many INTs
I still maintain - someone is going to get a hell of a QB with him. Especially if they can let him sit and learn for one or two seasons.
Some crazy ass throws and some wow throws . Gotta get him to process the defenses better and I agree he has the biggest possible upside but a pretty low floor |
|
|
|
Post by Swamp Dragon on Apr 27, 2017 19:19:36 GMT -5
Whoa Bears
|
|
Otis B. Driftwood
VIP Member
I have had a perfectly wonderful evening, but this wasn't it.
Posts: 7,943
Likes: 2,185
|
Post by Otis B. Driftwood on Apr 28, 2017 7:01:27 GMT -5
Tacos
|
|
Otis B. Driftwood
VIP Member
I have had a perfectly wonderful evening, but this wasn't it.
Posts: 7,943
Likes: 2,185
|
Post by Otis B. Driftwood on Apr 28, 2017 7:25:37 GMT -5
McCaffery is a surprise Allen is too low I am not a Barnett fan so he's way early IMO. I was going to put Reddick at the Bengals but Foster is a better prospect than Kuechely red flags not withstanding and Cincy doesn't shy away from red flags. Njoku is Ebron with less blocking skills (which ain't much) Texans wouldn't have to move up to get Watson and Mahoomes doesn't fit Reid's M.O. I like Mahoomes for Arians I can see Reid taking the Pitt QB 3rd round or later. Romo retiring instead of going to the Texans has made this draft crazy. QB-wise, he signs I'd bet that there wouild not be a QB till the mid 20's when the browns would have moved up and the other QB needing teams would have scooped up the others early 2nd I wasn't a big fan of the Eagles taking Barnett at 14. Malik Hooker and Jonathan Allen were both on the board. The Eagles are set at safety but if you're honestly committed to the best player available approach that Philly talked up before the draft, you take Hooker and make it work. Most teams are stuck in nickel formation half the game anyway. But I digress... My main issue with Derek Barnett is not Barnett. It's that he's a stereotypical Eagles pick. His pro comparison is fucking Brandon Graham, another Eagle who - despite actually playing well last year - never quite lived up to the 1st round expectations. A fucking textbook Howie pick after all off-season Eagles fans were told Joe Douglas was the main guy handling scouting and would have a major say in the draft. So to me, it's not the player, it's the blatanf bullshit lies from the front office. With that said, I had read heading into the draft that Barnett had a lot of teams interested in him. And I do like SEC defensive players. And I do like the fact that he's only 20 years old - that's a lot of potential growth. It was nice to hear the Draft analysts proclaim Barnett to be a better pass rusher than Myles Garrett, but honestly I won't believe until I see it. Pretty much verbatim what Beck said on Twitter last night. "Textbook Howie pick". And - people kept throwing the "but he broke all of Reggie White's UT records" comment out there. That's a hell of a bar to stick the kid under. |
|
|
|
Post by pr0t0cl0wn on Apr 28, 2017 8:04:56 GMT -5
I'm very happy with the Lions draft pick
|
|
|
|
Post by pr0t0cl0wn on Apr 28, 2017 8:55:41 GMT -5
|
|
Otis B. Driftwood
VIP Member
I have had a perfectly wonderful evening, but this wasn't it.
Posts: 7,943
Likes: 2,185
|
Post by Otis B. Driftwood on Apr 28, 2017 11:22:06 GMT -5
Kind of the reaction that played out last night on Twitter with a couple of my old Fan Nation buddies. The Bears fan considered retiring from Bears fandom while the Packers fan rode his ass unmercifully. Good times. |
|
|
|
Post by Swamp Dragon on Apr 28, 2017 13:57:21 GMT -5
McCaffery is a surprise Allen is too low I am not a Barnett fan so he's way early IMO. I was going to put Reddick at the Bengals but Foster is a better prospect than Kuechely red flags not withstanding and Cincy doesn't shy away from red flags. Njoku is Ebron with less blocking skills (which ain't much) Texans wouldn't have to move up to get Watson and Mahoomes doesn't fit Reid's M.O. I like Mahoomes for Arians I can see Reid taking the Pitt QB 3rd round or later. Romo retiring instead of going to the Texans has made this draft crazy. QB-wise, he signs I'd bet that there wouild not be a QB till the mid 20's when the browns would have moved up and the other QB needing teams would have scooped up the others early 2nd I wasn't a big fan of the Eagles taking Barnett at 14. Malik Hooker and Jonathan Allen were both on the board. The Eagles are set at safety but if you're honestly committed to the best player available approach that Philly talked up before the draft, you take Hooker and make it work. Most teams are stuck in nickel formation half the game anyway. But I digress... My main issue with Derek Barnett is not Barnett. It's that he's a stereotypical Eagles pick. His pro comparison is fucking Brandon Graham, another Eagle who - despite actually playing well last year - never quite lived up to the 1st round expectations. A fucking textbook Howie pick after all off-season Eagles fans were told Joe Douglas was the main guy handling scouting and would have a major say in the draft. So to me, it's not the player, it's the blatanf bullshit lies from the front office. With that said, I had read heading into the draft that Barnett had a lot of teams interested in him. And I do like SEC defensive players. And I do like the fact that he's only 20 years old - that's a lot of potential growth. It was nice to hear the Draft analysts proclaim Barnett to be a better pass rusher than Myles Garrett, but honestly I won't believe until I see it. Trying to talk yourself into liking the pick (Un)? |
|
