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Post by down38str8 on Jun 3, 2014 14:20:33 GMT -5
"salty's ground ball single hit off a pitcher melting down on national television was bigger than a grandslam that tied the game the inning before"
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Post by Just Another Shem on Jun 3, 2014 14:24:24 GMT -5
"salty's ground ball single hit off a pitcher melting down on national television was bigger than a grandslam that tied the game the inning before" You said Ortiz won the game... Point of fact? He didn't... |
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Post by down38str8 on Jun 3, 2014 14:30:18 GMT -5
"salty's ground ball single hit off a pitcher melting down on national television was bigger than a grandslam that tied the game the inning before" You said Ortiz won the game... Point of fact? He didn't... Point of fact...he drove in 4 of their 6 runs, in a game won 6-5 on that one swing... He won them that game... You want to credit salty 16 hopper to right field more? Go for it... |
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Post by Just Another Shem on Jun 3, 2014 15:15:34 GMT -5
You said Ortiz won the game... Point of fact? He didn't... Point of fact...he drove in 4 of their 6 runs, in a game won 6-5 on that one swing... He won them that game... You want to credit salty 16 hopper to right field more? Go for it... So by that rationale, bill mueller won game four of the 04 alcs, not Ortiz, right? And Jason Varitek actually won game five... |
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Post by redsoxworrld on Jun 3, 2014 15:19:36 GMT -5
Point of fact...he drove in 4 of their 6 runs, in a game won 6-5 on that one swing... He won them that game... You want to credit salty 16 hopper to right field more? Go for it... So by that rationale, bill mueller won game four of the 04 alcs, not Ortiz, right? And Jason Varitek actually won game five... Millar was the catalyst in the 2004 ALCS that led to the turn around (in hindsight) Ortiz was that last year in ALCS |
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Post by down38str8 on Jun 3, 2014 15:24:34 GMT -5
Point of fact...he drove in 4 of their 6 runs, in a game won 6-5 on that one swing... He won them that game... You want to credit salty 16 hopper to right field more? Go for it... So by that rationale, bill mueller won game four of the 04 alcs, not Ortiz, right? And Jason Varitek actually won game five... no retard...by that rationale? They both deserve, and get, a ton of credit... "no one ever celebrates billy mueller driving in Roberts" The reason why I wouldn't compare their series? Again, Ortiz had an OPS over 1.000, mueller? .633 4 runs...one swing =/= 1 run, why is that so fucking complicated for you to grasp? |
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Post by Just Another Shem on Jun 3, 2014 15:41:25 GMT -5
So by that rationale, bill mueller won game four of the 04 alcs, not Ortiz, right? And Jason Varitek actually won game five... no retard...by that rationale? They both deserve, and get, a ton of credit... "no one ever celebrates billy mueller driving in Roberts" The reason why I wouldn't compare their series? Again, Ortiz had an OPS over 1.000, mueller? .633 4 runs...one swing =/= 1 run, why is that so fucking complicated for you to grasp? nothing is complicated. This is all very easy for me to grasp.basically your stance is that no matter what rally no matter what game no matter what series Ortiz's hits were the important its everybody else was just an extra in his starring role. Christ down an hour ago you gave him credit for winning game to last year. When all he did was tied the game. Now all you do for 2004 is give him credit for winning the game when somebody else tied it. you're unbelievable double standards right here would make dirt proud. |
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Post by Zig on Jun 3, 2014 18:43:39 GMT -5
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Post by Zig on Jun 4, 2014 9:45:19 GMT -5
If he retires after this year, has he done enough to make the Hall of Fame? Does he need a few more very good years?
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Post by redseat on Jun 4, 2014 17:49:27 GMT -5
I think IF David Ortiz has 2 to 3 more solid years then he most likely will get in. I am still on the fence about a DH getting elected since as people have already mentioned that you should play defense as well (yes he does, but rarely)...
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Post by bigddude on Jun 4, 2014 17:57:21 GMT -5
I think IF David Ortiz has 2 to 3 more solid years then he most likely will get in. I am still on the fence about a DH getting elected since as people have already mentioned that you should play defense as well (yes he does, but rarely)... Welcome Red! Make yourself at home, and get familiar with the new surroundings. |
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Post by redseat on Jun 4, 2014 18:00:14 GMT -5
I think IF David Ortiz has 2 to 3 more solid years then he most likely will get in. I am still on the fence about a DH getting elected since as people have already mentioned that you should play defense as well (yes he does, but rarely)... Welcome Red! Make yourself at home, and get familiar with the new surroundings. |
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Post by redseat on Jun 4, 2014 18:00:41 GMT -5
welp, I clearly didn't copy your post BigD correctly... UGG
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Post by bigddude on Jun 4, 2014 18:04:37 GMT -5
welp, I clearly didn't copy your post BigD correctly... UGG There is a learning curve, to be sure. One of these days, I will figure things out as well..... |
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Post by redseat on Jun 4, 2014 18:06:18 GMT -5
welp, I clearly didn't copy your post BigD correctly... UGG There is a learning curve, to be sure. One of these days, I will figure things out as well..... Let's see if this works. Yes I will admit there will be a learning curve for me  |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 5, 2014 6:49:20 GMT -5
The roiders who were better have to get in before Ortiz. He gets in after Sosa, Bonds, Piazza, Bagwell, McGwire and Palmiero.
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Post by nava on Jun 5, 2014 9:46:53 GMT -5
Right now, no. Especially if Edgar Martinez isn't considered a HOFer. Not only does Edgar have better career rate stats, but some of Edgar's best years (at least in terms of WAR) were when he played 3rd base. Ortiz has only three seasons in the top 10 in the AL in WAR (Edgar had 7).
I think Ortiz needs a few more good years (or maybe two more years in line with 2011-13). Ortiz might get in because of the clutch narrative though.
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