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Post by bigddude on Jun 3, 2014 12:42:52 GMT -5
Bill Mazerowski. Ozzie Smith. Luis Aparicio. Phil Rizzuto. Our definitions of "lousy" are not the same... Well, lousy in terms of HOF members....... |
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Post by The Bag on Jun 3, 2014 12:43:58 GMT -5
So...you've never heard of Phil Rizzuto or Ozzie smith I take it... Or: Luis arapricio John Ward joe Tinker Virtually half of all HOF short stops are glove only guys.... I'd then direct my attention to 2nd base...where you'll find about a half dozen or so glove only guys... A few centerfielders... A catcher or 2... You hate him, we get it...that however doesn't entitle you to facts that do not exist... Ozzie Smith the hitter was infinitely better than David Ortiz the fielder... lmfao is this what the kids call "a hater"?? |
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Post by down38str8 on Jun 3, 2014 12:44:00 GMT -5
Hey, he might be in there one day, I just do t think he should be... Between the steroids abuse and the litany of crap he pulled off the field... I don't think his overrated post-season resume should be enough to offset the fact that he is a dh... "overrated post season resume" how many incredible title winning post seasons does a guy need before they arent overrated? "That grand slam against Detroit...pah...meaningless!!!" |
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Post by Mr mastodon farm on Jun 3, 2014 12:45:21 GMT -5
I agree, I also think it would be a travesty if Adam Vinatieri is t elected into the hof... I just don't think Ortiz is a hall of famer, regardless of position... likely to retire as best ever at his position, and yeah I know it is DH at least three titles one of the faces of baseball in his tenure he'll get in, just won't be first ballot he'll get in, even though he's a roid guy bonds and mcgwire are blackballed, but not ortiz fucking bagwell cant get in, and he has NO connection to roids. But dominican milkshake man will get in |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 3, 2014 12:45:26 GMT -5
If elite defensive players who are lousy hitters don't sniff the hall of fame... Why should elite hitters who are putrid defenders be treated any differently? Rabbit Maranville? Career OPS 82 Luis Aparicio? Career OPS 82 Ozzie Smith? Career OPS 87 Bill Mazeroski? Career OPS 84
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Post by Just Another Shem on Jun 3, 2014 12:46:10 GMT -5
Ozzie Smith the hitter was infinitely better than David Ortiz the fielder... Not really...ortiz doesn't bring negative value to the team with his glove... Smiths bat did. Quite the contrary. Not only does is complete inability to play defense hamper the team's ability to strategize around the DH position. And also requires that they have to carry a guy like mile carp to be or ortizs janitor. |
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Post by The Bag on Jun 3, 2014 12:46:56 GMT -5
"overrated post season resume" how many incredible title winning post seasons does a guy need before they arent overrated? It's comical the amount of mileage Ortiz is getting off of that one grand slam vs Detroit last year... sadly for you, im more riding the .455 world series average he has. 3 world series. .455. thats absurd. |
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Post by down38str8 on Jun 3, 2014 12:49:55 GMT -5
"overrated post season resume" how many incredible title winning post seasons does a guy need before they arent overrated? It's comical the amount of mileage Ortiz is getting off of that one grand slam vs Detroit last year... he also hit like .700 for the world series.... he also had to huge walk offs against the yankees in 2004 he also possesses a career .295/.409/.553 post season slash line...considerably higher in boston since in 29 postseason PA with minnny he accumulated a mid .600's OPS You're fucking nuts if you think his postseason resume is anything shy of legendary... |
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Post by redsoxworrld on Jun 3, 2014 12:51:16 GMT -5
"overrated post season resume" how many incredible title winning post seasons does a guy need before they arent overrated? It's comical the amount of mileage Ortiz is getting off of that one grand slam vs Detroit last year... 2004 game 3 ALDS 2004 ALCS game 7, game 5, game 4, even had a big hit in game one to get them within a run after being down 8-0, I think? first inning three run bomb in first game of 04 WS 2007 ALCS and ALDS, wasnt he putting up monster numbers along with Manny? hitting wise anyway, I don't remember rbis/homers hit 600 something in last years world series and had the biggest single hit of the ALCS he's done a lot more than that one grand slam last year in the postseason, kemosabe |
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Post by Just Another Shem on Jun 3, 2014 12:51:57 GMT -5
"overrated post season resume" how many incredible title winning post seasons does a guy need before they arent overrated? "That grand slam against Detroit...pah...meaningless!!!" I was at that game... It was far from meaningless... It was by far he greatest baseball moment I ever witnessed live... And top 5 sports moment I've witnessed live... Still was only one swing... We putting Victorino or Gomes or Napoli into the hof too? Or do their October home runs not count? |
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Post by down38str8 on Jun 3, 2014 12:52:46 GMT -5
Not really...ortiz doesn't bring negative value to the team with his glove... Smiths bat did. Quite the contrary. Not only does is complete inability to play defense hamper the team's ability to strategize around the DH position. And also requires that they have to carry a guy like mile carp to be or ortizs janitor. Why would the need to strategize around the DH position? Granted...it does give them a smidge less flexibility...and if he was simply a league average bat you'd have a point. for a guy sporting a career OPS north of .950 in his tenure here? Small price to pay.. |
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Post by redsoxworrld on Jun 3, 2014 12:53:15 GMT -5
likely to retire as best ever at his position, and yeah I know it is DH at least three titles one of the faces of baseball in his tenure he'll get in, just won't be first ballot he'll get in, even though he's a roid guy bonds and mcgwire are blackballed, but not ortiz fucking bagwell cant get in, and he has NO connection to roids. But dominican milkshake man will get in because they are all roiders, they all get in eventually including Bonds i think and hope |
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Post by Just Another Shem on Jun 3, 2014 12:54:13 GMT -5
It's comical the amount of mileage Ortiz is getting off of that one grand slam vs Detroit last year... he also hit like .700 for the world series.... he also had to huge walk offs against the yankees in 2004 he also possesses a career .295/.409/.553 post season slash line...considerably higher in boston since in 29 postseason PA with minnny he accumulated a mid .600's OPS You're fucking nuts if you think his postseason resume is anything shy of legendary... Uh huh.... .700 in the World Series... Yet really was not the reason they won any of the games... |
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Post by down38str8 on Jun 3, 2014 12:55:35 GMT -5
"That grand slam against Detroit...pah...meaningless!!!" I was at that game... It was far from meaningless... It was by far he greatest baseball moment I ever witnessed live... And top 5 sports moment I've witnessed live... Still was only one swing... We putting Victorino or Gomes or Napoli into the hof too? Or do their October home runs not count? No one is putting him in the HOF for just 1 post season HR...when Gomes and Nap have near 500 career HR's (500+ when they retire) and an entire post season resume as impressive as Ortiz's...you can attempt this again... This is the point where we all know you've lost your fucking mind on a subject... |
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Post by Just Another Shem on Jun 3, 2014 12:58:15 GMT -5
It's comical the amount of mileage Ortiz is getting off of that one grand slam vs Detroit last year... 2004 game 3 ALDS 2004 ALCS game 7, game 5, game 4, even had a big hit in game one to get them within a run after being down 8-0, I think? first inning three run bomb in first game of 04 WS 2007 ALCS and ALDS, wasnt he putting up monster numbers along with Manny? hitting wise anyway, I don't remember rbis/homers hit 600 something in last years world series and had the biggest single hit of the ALCS he's done a lot more than that one grand slam last year in the postseason, kemosabe I was referring to 2013 only, right there... |
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Post by redsoxworrld on Jun 3, 2014 12:59:57 GMT -5
2004 game 3 ALDS 2004 ALCS game 7, game 5, game 4, even had a big hit in game one to get them within a run after being down 8-0, I think? first inning three run bomb in first game of 04 WS 2007 ALCS and ALDS, wasnt he putting up monster numbers along with Manny? hitting wise anyway, I don't remember rbis/homers hit 600 something in last years world series and had the biggest single hit of the ALCS he's done a lot more than that one grand slam last year in the postseason, kemosabe I was referring to 2013 only, right there... didnt sound like it, but ok |
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Post by down38str8 on Jun 3, 2014 13:00:14 GMT -5
he also hit like .700 for the world series.... he also had to huge walk offs against the yankees in 2004 he also possesses a career .295/.409/.553 post season slash line...considerably higher in boston since in 29 postseason PA with minnny he accumulated a mid .600's OPS You're fucking nuts if you think his postseason resume is anything shy of legendary... Uh huh.... .700 in the World Series... Yet really was not the reason they won any of the games... uh-huh... Ortiz...1.926 OPS in that series... the team total was like .620 Ellsbury ranked 2nd in OPS at .599 He was the only consistent bat in the entire lineup...yes, others got big hits in big moments...but he was the constant...he fucking wore out the cardinals... |
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Post by Just Another Shem on Jun 3, 2014 13:00:34 GMT -5
Quite the contrary. Not only does is complete inability to play defense hamper the team's ability to strategize around the DH position. And also requires that they have to carry a guy like mile carp to be or ortizs janitor. Why would the need to strategize around the DH position? Granted...it does give them a smidge less flexibility...and if he was simply a league average bat you'd have a point. for a guy sporting a career OPS north of .950 in his tenure here? Small price to pay.. Because he dh allows you to give guys a day of rest from the field without losing heir bat in the lineup. Think Pedroia, Napoli, Victorino or AJP could stand to benefit from 15 games a season where they don't have to play in the field? |
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Post by down38str8 on Jun 3, 2014 13:01:09 GMT -5
2004 game 3 ALDS 2004 ALCS game 7, game 5, game 4, even had a big hit in game one to get them within a run after being down 8-0, I think? first inning three run bomb in first game of 04 WS 2007 ALCS and ALDS, wasnt he putting up monster numbers along with Manny? hitting wise anyway, I don't remember rbis/homers hit 600 something in last years world series and had the biggest single hit of the ALCS he's done a lot more than that one grand slam last year in the postseason, kemosabe I was referring to 2013 only, right there... "when talking about Ortiz's postseason resume, only 2013 can be brought...ummm...cuz otherwise I look retarded" |
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Post by The Bag on Jun 3, 2014 13:01:53 GMT -5
I was at that game... It was far from meaningless... It was by far he greatest baseball moment I ever witnessed live... And top 5 sports moment I've witnessed live... Still was only one swing... We putting Victorino or Gomes or Napoli into the hof too? Or do their October home runs not count? No one is putting him in the HOF for just 1 post season HR...when Gomes and Nap have near 500 career HR's (500+ when they retire) and an entire post season resume as impressive as Ortiz's...you can attempt this again... This is the point where we all know you've lost your fucking mind on a subject... lol victorino .257 playoff average gomes .143 playoffs average putting them in the same sentence, comical and desperate. tap out snoogs. |
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Post by down38str8 on Jun 3, 2014 13:02:09 GMT -5
Why would the need to strategize around the DH position? Granted...it does give them a smidge less flexibility...and if he was simply a league average bat you'd have a point. for a guy sporting a career OPS north of .950 in his tenure here? Small price to pay.. Because he dh allows you to give guys a day of rest from the field without losing heir bat in the lineup. Think Pedroia, Napoli, Victorino or AJP could stand to benefit from 15 games a season where they don't have to play in the field? Again..if he was a league average type DH? You'd have a point... .950 career OPS with boston...that's not a type of guy you complain about not being able to DH lesser hitters for... |
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Post by Just Another Shem on Jun 3, 2014 13:02:59 GMT -5
I was at that game... It was far from meaningless... It was by far he greatest baseball moment I ever witnessed live... And top 5 sports moment I've witnessed live... Still was only one swing... We putting Victorino or Gomes or Napoli into the hof too? Or do their October home runs not count? No one is putting him in the HOF for just 1 post season HR...when Gomes and Nap have near 500 career HR's (500+ when they retire) and an entire post season resume as impressive as Ortiz's...you can attempt this again... This is the point where we all know you've lost your fucking mind on a subject... So, we were talking about the 2013 "heroic postseason" And now we are including career home run totals and 2004... So moves the goalposts... |
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Post by Just Another Shem on Jun 3, 2014 13:04:43 GMT -5
Uh huh.... .700 in the World Series... Yet really was not the reason they won any of the games... uh-huh... Ortiz...1.926 OPS in that series... the team total was like .620 Ellsbury ranked 2nd in OPS at .599 He was the only consistent bat in the entire lineup...yes, others got big hits in big moments...but he was the constant...he fucking wore out the cardinals... Point out his game winning hits... Or his game tying hits... Spoiler alert... There were none... |
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Post by redsoxworrld on Jun 3, 2014 13:05:20 GMT -5
Uh huh.... .700 in the World Series... Yet really was not the reason they won any of the games... uh-huh... Ortiz...1.926 OPS in that series... the team total was like .620 Ellsbury ranked 2nd in OPS at .599 He was the only consistent bat in the entire lineup...yes, others got big hits in big moments...but he was the constant...he fucking wore out the cardinals... and got them going in game 4 was it? that little speech in the dugout (And I know I will get shit for that) |
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Post by Super Paul Mullin on Jun 3, 2014 13:06:22 GMT -5
Don't know about the HOF, but I bet the Sox retire [HASH] 34.
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Post by The Bag on Jun 3, 2014 13:09:19 GMT -5
Uh huh.... .700 in the World Series... Yet really was not the reason they won any of the games... uh-huh... Ortiz...1.926 OPS in that series... the team total was like .620 Ellsbury ranked 2nd in OPS at .599 He was the only consistent bat in the entire lineup...yes, others got big hits in big moments...but he was the constant...he fucking wore out the cardinals... red sox scored 27 runs in the world series. ortiz had 7 runs and 6 rbi. "he didnt have an impact on them winning" |
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Post by down38str8 on Jun 3, 2014 13:09:48 GMT -5
"overrated post season resume" how many incredible title winning post seasons does a guy need before they arent overrated? It's comical the amount of mileage Ortiz is getting off of that one grand slam vs Detroit last year... it's you that keeps moving the goal posts... First ti was "overrated post season resume" which yank quoted you on... Yam responds to such absurdity by pointing how many great posteasons he's had... You move the goal post to just the grand slam against detroit... Seems you can keep your arguments straight.... You flat out said "over rated posteason resume" Defend it...THE ENTIRETY of it...not one cherry picked series... |
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Post by down38str8 on Jun 3, 2014 13:10:35 GMT -5
uh-huh... Ortiz...1.926 OPS in that series... the team total was like .620 Ellsbury ranked 2nd in OPS at .599 He was the only consistent bat in the entire lineup...yes, others got big hits in big moments...but he was the constant...he fucking wore out the cardinals... Point out his game winning hits... Or his game tying hits... Spoiler alert... There were none... "the only way to contribute to a win is a game tying/winning hit" |
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Post by The Bag on Jun 3, 2014 13:14:41 GMT -5
Point out his game winning hits... Or his game tying hits... Spoiler alert... There were none... "the only way to contribute to a win is a game tying/winning hit" uhhhhh  or are we still ripping on ortiz for the world series he hit .700 in? hahahahhaha |
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Post by Just Another Shem on Jun 3, 2014 13:15:28 GMT -5
I was referring to 2013 only, right there... "when talking about Ortiz's postseason resume, only 2013 can be brought...ummm...cuz otherwise I look retarded" When debunking the notion that he was super huge important last postseason, it's pretty slick to say "we can't only look at 2013" |
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