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Post by dyhard on May 13, 2015 21:18:17 GMT -5
IMO NFL punishments are just for show. They always make the big shocking release and everyone says "omg that's such a strict penalty". Then after the media walks away they reduce everything down to mere slaps on the wrist. IMO they would have let Ray Rice and Adrian Peterson back on the field a hell of a lot faster if the media wasn't watchdogging it. The NFL doesn't really give a fuck as long as they are making money. All of these punishments are just to make the bad press go away. right but that's usually how it is everywhere, as long as it doesn't hinder a company from making money, they'll get rid of bad press. but money is the main priority. they'll likely get the suspension reduced because it's going to cost NE some money. who wants to watch NE without Brady? |
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Post by EWA Beach PGH Fan on May 14, 2015 4:26:13 GMT -5
IMO NFL punishments are just for show. They always make the big shocking release and everyone says "omg that's such a strict penalty". Then after the media walks away they reduce everything down to mere slaps on the wrist. IMO they would have let Ray Rice and Adrian Peterson back on the field a hell of a lot faster if the media wasn't watchdogging it. The NFL doesn't really give a fuck as long as they are making money. All of these punishments are just to make the bad press go away. right but that's usually how it is everywhere, as long as it doesn't hinder a company from making money, they'll get rid of bad press. but money is the main priority. they'll likely get the suspension reduced because it's going to cost NE some money. who wants to watch NE without Brady? I'm gonna go out on a limb here and say that the fans of all of NE's opponents this year want to watch NE without Brady. Me included! |
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Post by Swamp Dragon on May 14, 2015 11:35:21 GMT -5
I'm gonna go out on a limb here and say that the fans of all of NE's opponents this year want to watch NE without Brady. Me included! The dude is 37 years old. If I were a division rival I'd be putting a little extra focus on the pass rush. No QB likes to get hit, but the older he gets the more concerning those hits become; maybe even take a few years off the tail of his career. Yes he's become the master of the dink and dunk and now cause he gets to miss a quarter of the season Hoodie gets to bring the new model out of the garage to see what he needs to surround him with. Personally I think this is a big win for the Pats they get Garoppolo some serious minutes something that never would have happened with Tom on a game day roster. Although I think that the division race will be the closest in years. Until someone actually knocks the Pats out of the penthouse in the East that's where they live. I expect that Garoppolo is definitely the QB in '17 and would not be surprised if he is the full time starter in '16 |
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Post by Swamp Dragon on May 14, 2015 11:47:42 GMT -5
The Patriots spin doctors are saying that Jim McNally called himself the “Deflator” because he was trying to lose weight. Nothing makes you look guiltier than bringing out lame excuses
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Post by Swamp Dragon on May 14, 2015 12:10:10 GMT -5
An ABC News/ESPN poll, which found that 63 percent of all fans and 76 percent of self-described “avid” fans supported the NFL’s decision to suspend Brady for four games and strip draft picks from the Patriots for Deflategate.
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Post by Swamp Dragon on May 14, 2015 12:55:44 GMT -5
Brady has 3 hours to appeal
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Post by Swamp Dragon on May 14, 2015 12:57:58 GMT -5
Brady has 3 hours to appeal Appeal has to be in the NFL offices by 5pm EDT today |
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Post by Swamp Dragon on May 14, 2015 14:48:29 GMT -5
Tom Brady, NFLPA appeal four-game suspension Wow what a surprise the suspense was killing me
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Post by Swamp Dragon on May 14, 2015 15:27:10 GMT -5
Yes he's become the master of the dink and dunk and now cause he gets to miss a quarter of the season Hoodie gets to bring the new model out of the garage to see what he needs to surround him with. Personally I think this is a big win for the Pats they get Garoppolo some serious minutes something that never would have happened with Tom on a game day roster. Although I think that the division race will be the closest in years. Until someone actually knocks the Pats out of the penthouse in the East that's where they live. I expect that Garoppolo is definitely the QB in '17 and would not be surprised if he is the full time starter in '16 I agree. And not that injuries have ever been an issue for Brady outside of 2008, but this only increases the odds of him being healthy come postseason. |
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Post by Swamp Dragon on May 14, 2015 15:30:47 GMT -5
It's inevitable that Brady ends his career playing for another team . Just like Unitas and Namath and Montana and Manning |
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Post by Zig on May 14, 2015 18:20:01 GMT -5
that's where this all started. Read the texts from the ball boy...balls were 16 PSi were "supposed to be 13" www.patsfans.com/new-england-patriots/messageboard/threads/texts-says-brady-wanted-his-balls-at-13-psi-for-the-jets-game.1119798/again have not seen 1 thing(text) that shows Brady wants the balls under inflated. Nothing. Every PSI I've see mentioned that he wanted was legal either 12.6 or 13 then this "report" takes Walt Coleman's word for it that he measured all the balls before the AFCCG. Not documented but they take his word for it, they were at 12.5....But then they ask which gauge he used...he says "gauge a" ,,,,they keep asking if he's sure he used that gauge,,,he finally says it's possible I used the other one...Report says he used the other one...whole thing is BS which anyone that read it and has a brain would know Page 52 of the Wells report reveals that it was Anderson’s “best recollection” that he used before the game the gauge with the logo and the longer, crooked needle. In other words, Anderson recalls using the gauge before the game that, based on the halftime measurements, leads to a finding of no tampering.
So how did Ted Wells get around the “best recollection” of Walt Anderson? Wells persuaded Anderson to admit that it’s “certainly possible” he used the other gauge. And the company hired to provide technical support for the Wells report concluded based on a convoluted explanation appearing at pages 116-17 of the report that it is “more probable than not” that Anderson used the other gauge. In other words, the Wells report concludes on this critical point that it’s “more probable than not” that Anderson’s “best recollection” was wrong. profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/05/10/wells-report-disregards-andersons-best-recollection-on-a-key-piece-of-evidence/That part I didn't have to, the only person that would want the balls underinflated that would have any juice is Brady Is the rule stupid? Yes are you trying to tell me the PSI in a ball used in SD or Miami going to feel like a ball used in the mid west or north east in December? Hell no. But they cheated and most importantly they got caught they have to pay I dont follow...I said I haven't anything seen anything in any of this that suggests Bradys wants his balls under the legal limit. the only times the texts mentioned PSI that Brady wanted were legal numbers...one said he wanted them to be 13 PSI (legal) another said he wanted them at lower end of the legal limit...If those texts said "they were supposed to be 12 PSI" that would be pretty clear evidence. But again, only legal numbers were in those texts. glad they're going to fight it this time. Most legal types seem to agree that "report" is a bunch of BS. |
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Post by dyhard on May 14, 2015 18:24:27 GMT -5
The way I see it... Tom Coughlin, at 68 years old, is currently the oldest head coach in the NFL. Bill Belichick is 63. Tom Brady is 37. I expect Belichick to retire the same year or the year after Brady. Maybe the Garoppollo era is what's best for New England's future. But it's not best for Belichick's career and Belichick calls the shots in New England until he hangs it up. I expect Brady to retire as a Patriot. I expect them to retire at the same time |
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Post by Swamp Dragon on May 14, 2015 19:09:15 GMT -5
That part I didn't have to, the only person that would want the balls underinflated that would have any juice is Brady Is the rule stupid? Yes are you trying to tell me the PSI in a ball used in SD or Miami going to feel like a ball used in the mid west or north east in December? Hell no. But they cheated and most importantly they got caught they have to pay I dont follow...I said I haven't anything seen anything in any of this that suggests Bradys wants his balls under the legal limit. the only times the texts mentioned PSI that Brady wanted were legal numbers...one said he wanted them to be 13 PSI (legal) another said he wanted them at lower end of the legal limit...If those texts said "they were supposed to be 12 PSI" that would be pretty clear evidence. But again, only legal numbers were in those texts. glad they're going to fight it this time. Most legal types seem to agree that "report" is a bunch of BS. C'mon you aren't an ostrich the only reason those guys would be deflating the balls is cause Tom likes them that way. No one believes that he wasn't part of this. Well besides Pats fans |
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Post by Swamp Dragon on May 14, 2015 19:15:20 GMT -5
That part I didn't have to, the only person that would want the balls underinflated that would have any juice is Brady Is the rule stupid? Yes are you trying to tell me the PSI in a ball used in SD or Miami going to feel like a ball used in the mid west or north east in December? Hell no. But they cheated and most importantly they got caught they have to pay I dont follow...I said I haven't anything seen anything in any of this that suggests Bradys wants his balls under the legal limit. the only times the texts mentioned PSI that Brady wanted were legal numbers...one said he wanted them to be 13 PSI (legal) another said he wanted them at lower end of the legal limit...If those texts said "they were supposed to be 12 PSI" that would be pretty clear evidence. But again, only legal numbers were in those texts. glad they're going to fight it this time. Most legal types seem to agree that "report" is a bunch of BS. Of course it is as they couldn't subpoena records or phones. It is why I expect them to reduce the suspension to 2 games |
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Post by Zig on May 14, 2015 19:34:57 GMT -5
I dont follow...I said I haven't anything seen anything in any of this that suggests Bradys wants his balls under the legal limit. the only times the texts mentioned PSI that Brady wanted were legal numbers...one said he wanted them to be 13 PSI (legal) another said he wanted them at lower end of the legal limit...If those texts said "they were supposed to be 12 PSI" that would be pretty clear evidence. But again, only legal numbers were in those texts. glad they're going to fight it this time. Most legal types seem to agree that "report" is a bunch of BS. C'mon you aren't an ostrich the only reason those guys would be deflating the balls is cause Tom likes them that way. No one believes that he wasn't part of this. Well besides Pats fans lol I have a feeling you (like most) havent read much of the report or actual facts. Not many legal types think the Pats arent going to win this one. Like most you just take it as fact there was any wrong doing despite ya, know, the lack of any proof and quite possibly no deflation evenn happened. Nobody seems to get that...the gauge the ref best remembers using shows NO DEFLATION..they go by the other gauge well that gauge also shows 3 of 4 Colts balls were under the limit...they stopped at 4 Colts balls because they "rann out of time"...but right in the report, Colts 3 balls were under too. both at halftime and again after the game...this is all from that same report! And the Colts balls started at a higher PSI than the Pats balls...Colts balls lost more air than the Pats according to this report and the Pats are the ones in trouble? Colts were found (by Wells) to have taken a needle to the Pats ball they intercepted. It is illegal to do that or to even have a needle/gauge on the sidelines...again, Pats are the ones in trouble? that report is going to get shredded. it's totally 1 sided BS. www.coldhardfootballfacts.com/content/wells-report-more-probable-than-not-colts-played-with-under-inflated-footballs/33495/ |
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Post by Otis B. Driftwood on May 14, 2015 19:58:35 GMT -5
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Post by dyhard on May 14, 2015 20:29:21 GMT -5
haha! i knew you would post that hear after I saw you re-tweet that |
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Post by Otis B. Driftwood on May 14, 2015 20:58:51 GMT -5
haha! i knew you would post that hear after I saw you re-tweet that Had to be done... |
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Post by dyhard on May 14, 2015 21:05:15 GMT -5
haha! i knew you would post that hear after I saw you re-tweet that Had to be done... understandable |
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Post by Swamp Dragon on May 14, 2015 21:18:23 GMT -5
C'mon you aren't an ostrich the only reason those guys would be deflating the balls is cause Tom likes them that way. No one believes that he wasn't part of this. Well besides Pats fans lol I have a feeling you (like most) havent read much of the report or actual facts. Not many legal types think the Pats arent going to win this one. Like most you just take it as fact there was any wrong doing despite ya, know, the lack of any proof and quite possibly no deflation evenn happened. Nobody seems to get that...the gauge the ref best remembers using shows NO DEFLATION..they go by the other gauge well that gauge also shows 3 of 4 Colts balls were under the limit...they stopped at 4 Colts balls because they "rann out of time"...but right in the report, Colts 3 balls were under too. both at halftime and again after the game...this is all from that same report! And the Colts balls started at a higher PSI than the Pats balls...Colts balls lost more air than the Pats according to this report and the Pats are the ones in trouble? Colts were found (by Wells) to have taken a needle to the Pats ball they intercepted. It is illegal to do that or to even have a needle/gauge on the sidelines...again, Pats are the ones in trouble? that report is going to get shredded. it's totally 1 sided BS. www.coldhardfootballfacts.com/content/wells-report-more-probable-than-not-colts-played-with-under-inflated-footballs/33495/It is not a court case it had no subpoena capabilities and all the legal heads can spout off all they want it means nothing . I can also copy and paste all sorts of "evidence" from the report. It doesn't matter the Ginger God has decreed and Brady will have his suspension halved under appeal and the league will hopefully never put themselves in that position again cause they were too cheap to pay a couple employees a game what would work out to about 80K Which apparently they have now found the money to do. Thank you Mr Kraft |
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Post by Swamp Dragon on May 14, 2015 21:25:38 GMT -5
C'mon you aren't an ostrich the only reason those guys would be deflating the balls is cause Tom likes them that way. No one believes that he wasn't part of this. Well besides Pats fans lol I have a feeling you (like most) havent read much of the report or actual facts. Not many legal types think the Pats arent going to win this one. Like most you just take it as fact there was any wrong doing despite ya, know, the lack of any proof and quite possibly no deflation evenn happened. Nobody seems to get that...the gauge the ref best remembers using shows NO DEFLATION..they go by the other gauge well that gauge also shows 3 of 4 Colts balls were under the limit...they stopped at 4 Colts balls because they "rann out of time"...but right in the report, Colts 3 balls were under too. both at halftime and again after the game...this is all from that same report! And the Colts balls started at a higher PSI than the Pats balls...Colts balls lost more air than the Pats according to this report and the Pats are the ones in trouble? Colts were found (by Wells) to have taken a needle to the Pats ball they intercepted. It is illegal to do that or to even have a needle/gauge on the sidelines...again, Pats are the ones in trouble? that report is going to get shredded. it's totally 1 sided BS. www.coldhardfootballfacts.com/content/wells-report-more-probable-than-not-colts-played-with-under-inflated-footballs/33495/What really pisses me off about this and you've pointed it out a bit was when the balls were "misplaced" and found to be out on the field they should have gone to the secondary balls and none of the shit would ever have happened and he gets a skate on this he should be suspended also (at least reprimanded). Although I'm sure his chances at playoff games this season will be slim and none |
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Post by Swamp Dragon on May 14, 2015 21:29:08 GMT -5
The way I see it... Tom Coughlin, at 68 years old, is currently the oldest head coach in the NFL. Bill Belichick is 63. Tom Brady is 37. I expect Belichick to retire the same year or the year after Brady. Maybe the Garoppollo era is what's best for New England's future. But it's not best for Belichick's career and Belichick calls the shots in New England until he hangs it up. I expect Brady to retire as a Patriot.Not many do Only one that comes to mind is Troy Brown Zig I'm sure can give us a couple lists |
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Post by Swamp Dragon on May 14, 2015 21:57:16 GMT -5
That part I didn't have to, the only person that would want the balls underinflated that would have any juice is Brady Is the rule stupid? Yes are you trying to tell me the PSI in a ball used in SD or Miami going to feel like a ball used in the mid west or north east in December? Hell no. But they cheated and most importantly they got caught they have to pay I dont follow...I said I haven't anything seen anything in any of this that suggests Bradys wants his balls under the legal limit. the only times the texts mentioned PSI that Brady wanted were legal numbers...one said he wanted them to be 13 PSI (legal) another said he wanted them at lower end of the legal limit...If those texts said "they were supposed to be 12 PSI" that would be pretty clear evidence. But again, only legal numbers were in those texts. glad they're going to fight it this time. Most legal types seem to agree that "report" is a bunch of BS.
Of course they do it is not a legal document The league were morons for trying to catch the team cheating. They did a piss poor job of catching them . All the idiots that were part of the posse should also be reprimanded |
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Post by Swamp Dragon on May 15, 2015 12:03:20 GMT -5
Gotta love the Pats lawyers alternate theories, the ourguydidntdoitsowegiveyou defense, Right up there withe Aaron Hernandez's Lloyd was my blunt master why would I kill him defense. McNally was called the deflator because he was losing weight. That is such a stupid defense they should double the penalty right now. How stupid do the Pats lawyers think people are this si not nor will it be a criminal trial so alternate theories really are moot (like that pun wwj). They just make you look guiltier when they are that stupid
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Post by Swamp Dragon on May 15, 2015 14:02:57 GMT -5
Gotta love the Pats lawyers alternate theories, the ourguydidntdoitsowegiveyou defense, Right up there withe Aaron Hernandez's Lloyd was my blunt master why would I kill him defense. McNally was called the deflator because he was losing weight. That is such a stupid defense they should double the penalty right now. How stupid do the Pats lawyers think people are this si not nor will it be a criminal trial so alternate theories really are moot (like that pun wwj). They just make you look guiltier when they are that stupid I just love all the "we will take responsibility and accept all punishments" talk. They're doing anything and everything but that. But (Un) they are the Patriots, the entitled |
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Post by Swamp Dragon on May 15, 2015 14:15:34 GMT -5
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Post by Swamp Dragon on May 17, 2015 13:57:11 GMT -5
Tom Brady has perfect attendance at Patriots’ voluntary workouts
Hmmm wonder if Tom's worried that Jimmy G might Wally Pipp him like Tom did to Drew so many years ago
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Post by Swamp Dragon on May 17, 2015 14:07:31 GMT -5
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Post by Swamp Dragon on May 18, 2015 12:16:58 GMT -5
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Post by Swamp Dragon on May 18, 2015 13:56:42 GMT -5
That part I didn't have to, the only person that would want the balls underinflated that would have any juice is Brady Is the rule stupid? Yes are you trying to tell me the PSI in a ball used in SD or Miami going to feel like a ball used in the mid west or north east in December? Hell no. But they cheated and most importantly they got caught they have to pay I dont follow...I said I haven't anything seen anything in any of this that suggests Bradys wants his balls under the legal limit. the only times the texts mentioned PSI that Brady wanted were legal numbers...one said he wanted them to be 13 PSI (legal) another said he wanted them at lower end of the legal limit...If those texts said "they were supposed to be 12 PSI" that would be pretty clear evidence. But again, only legal numbers were in those texts. glad they're going to fight it this time. Most legal types seem to agree that "report" is a bunch of BS. From the Boston Globe Tom Brady will have tough time beating Roger Goodell in court |
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