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Post by dyhard on May 9, 2015 22:56:12 GMT -5
really I don't think he did it for a competitive advantage or to get a step ahead of the competition. he did it for comfort and whats best for him throwing wise. it doesn't help running the ball, it's nothing for the opponents. They had the balls weighed so they fall between the parameters of the rules than his flunkies released air from them.caused he liked them less inflated. And that is cheating "watermleon" or "rugby" size doesn't sound like "between the parameters of the rules" and had a guy release air from them. what should be done is NFL employees with no ties to the players, teams, coaches, etc should be regulating the football sizes |
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Post by Swamp Dragon on May 9, 2015 23:10:21 GMT -5
They had the balls weighed so they fall between the parameters of the rules than his flunkies released air from them.caused he liked them less inflated. And that is cheating "watermleon" or "rugby" size doesn't sound like "between the parameters of the rules" and had a guy release air from them. what should be done is NFL employees with no ties to the players, teams, coaches, etc should be regulating the football sizes Between 11 and 13 lbs is not rugby sized On the second point that has been my big beef figuring 20 an hour 2 officials per game it probably would cost the teams a collective 80K for a season That;s less than 3K a team for a season |
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Post by dyhard on May 9, 2015 23:16:18 GMT -5
"watermleon" or "rugby" size doesn't sound like "between the parameters of the rules" and had a guy release air from them. what should be done is NFL employees with no ties to the players, teams, coaches, etc should be regulating the football sizes Between 11 and 13 lbs is not rugby sized On the second point that has been my big beef figuring 20 an hour 2 officials per game it probably would cost the teams a collective 80K for a season That;s less than 3K a team for a season that amount of money is nothing for those teams, but "rugby" and "watermleon" sizes are what was said in the text messages that were in the report, so I assume they're above the 11-13 pound range |
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Post by Canuck eh? on May 10, 2015 9:59:04 GMT -5
The CFL has bigger balls.
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Post by Otis B. Driftwood on May 10, 2015 21:38:35 GMT -5
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Post by Swamp Dragon on May 10, 2015 22:27:17 GMT -5
The CFL has bigger balls. Actually they have tapered their ball from the mammoth ones they used pre 1985 The CFL ball is now slightly smaller than the NFL ball |
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Post by Swamp Dragon on May 11, 2015 10:02:41 GMT -5
Vegas oddsmaker Bovada.com lists the over-under on a possible Brady suspension at 3.5 games
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Post by EWA Beach PGH Fan on May 11, 2015 11:39:44 GMT -5
Vegas oddsmaker Bovada.com lists the over-under on a possible Brady suspension at 3.5 games He should get over but will probably get under 3.5 games. I bet 2. |
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Post by Zig on May 11, 2015 11:42:20 GMT -5
"watermleon" or "rugby" size doesn't sound like "between the parameters of the rules" and had a guy release air from them. what should be done is NFL employees with no ties to the players, teams, coaches, etc should be regulating the football sizes Between 11 and 13 lbs is not rugby sized On the second point that has been my big beef figuring 20 an hour 2 officials per game it probably would cost the teams a collective 80K for a season That;s less than 3K a team for a season I think he was talking about the Jets game where the balls were at 16 PSI |
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Post by tigertowner 68 on May 11, 2015 16:44:37 GMT -5
If you ain't cheatin' you ain't trying.
But he has been caught. I think three or four games is fair considering that it would constitute 20-25% of the entire season.
Five is not out of the question though, as that equates in percentage to the common 50 game suspensions in baseball for first time PED offenders. Either act (PEDs or tampering with footballs) changes the possibility in the outcome of the games about the same i.m.o.
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Post by Swamp Dragon on May 11, 2015 17:06:36 GMT -5
4 games for Brady
Patriots 1M fine lost 2016 #1 and 2017 #4
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Post by Canuck eh? on May 11, 2015 18:33:54 GMT -5
4 games for Brady Patriots 1M fine lost 2016 #1 and 2017 #4 So much for that apology from the league that Robert Kraft was crying for. Personally I don't think the deflated ball thing was a big deal. The bigger problem to me is that they didn't cooperate with the investigation. BINGO!!!! |
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Post by dyhard on May 11, 2015 22:16:20 GMT -5
Vegas oddsmaker Bovada.com lists the over-under on a possible Brady suspension at 3.5 games wish I bet on that site, I would've taken the over and won! |
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Post by dyhard on May 11, 2015 22:17:22 GMT -5
4 game suspension works good for Brady, but a 1st & 4th round pick? honestly, that's a little much imo but I think they're getting all of that applied to them heavier due to their failure to cooperate fully with the investigation
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Post by Swamp Dragon on May 12, 2015 1:15:57 GMT -5
Between 11 and 13 lbs is not rugby sized On the second point that has been my big beef figuring 20 an hour 2 officials per game it probably would cost the teams a collective 80K for a season That;s less than 3K a team for a season I think he was talking about the Jets game where the balls were at 16 PSI Say What?!??!?!??!? |
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Post by Swamp Dragon on May 12, 2015 3:48:11 GMT -5
Vegas oddsmaker Bovada.com lists the over-under on a possible Brady suspension at 3.5 games He should get over but will probably get under 3.5 games. I bet 2. You lose although you'd better keep that stub I can see on appeal them reducing it to 2 games |
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Post by EWA Beach PGH Fan on May 12, 2015 4:05:44 GMT -5
4 game suspension works good for Brady, but a 1st & 4th round pick? honestly, that's a little much imo but I think they're getting all of that applied to them heavier due to their failure to cooperate fully with the investigation If not SpyGate. These guys are repeat offenders. Either they're really good at finding new ways to cheat or really bad at hiding it. Could be both. They're really good at finding new ways to cheat BUT really bad at hiding it! |
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Post by EWA Beach PGH Fan on May 12, 2015 4:07:45 GMT -5
He should get over but will probably get under 3.5 games. I bet 2. You lose although you'd better keep that stub I can see on appeal them reducing it to 2 games I hope it stays at 4 but it could be reduced upon appeal. |
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Post by Swamp Dragon on May 12, 2015 4:40:08 GMT -5
You lose although you'd better keep that stub I can see on appeal them reducing it to 2 games I hope it stays at 4 but it could be reduced upon appeal. I wouldn't care with either scenario I just like that they sent the message |
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Post by Zig on May 12, 2015 6:13:30 GMT -5
I think he was talking about the Jets game where the balls were at 16 PSI Say What?!??!?!??!? that's where this all started. Read the texts from the ball boy...balls were 16 PSi were "supposed to be 13" www.patsfans.com/new-england-patriots/messageboard/threads/texts-says-brady-wanted-his-balls-at-13-psi-for-the-jets-game.1119798/again have not seen 1 thing(text) that shows Brady wants the balls under inflated. Nothing. Every PSI I've see mentioned that he wanted was legal either 12.6 or 13 then this "report" takes Walt Coleman's word for it that he measured all the balls before the AFCCG. Not documented but they take his word for it, they were at 12.5....But then they ask which gauge he used...he says "gauge a" ,,,,they keep asking if he's sure he used that gauge,,,he finally says it's possible I used the other one...Report says he used the other one...whole thing is BS which anyone that read it and has a brain would know Page 52 of the Wells report reveals that it was Anderson’s “best recollection” that he used before the game the gauge with the logo and the longer, crooked needle. In other words, Anderson recalls using the gauge before the game that, based on the halftime measurements, leads to a finding of no tampering.
So how did Ted Wells get around the “best recollection” of Walt Anderson? Wells persuaded Anderson to admit that it’s “certainly possible” he used the other gauge. And the company hired to provide technical support for the Wells report concluded based on a convoluted explanation appearing at pages 116-17 of the report that it is “more probable than not” that Anderson used the other gauge. In other words, the Wells report concludes on this critical point that it’s “more probable than not” that Anderson’s “best recollection” was wrong. profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/05/10/wells-report-disregards-andersons-best-recollection-on-a-key-piece-of-evidence/ |
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Post by Otis B. Driftwood on May 12, 2015 6:49:16 GMT -5
that's where this all started. Read the texts from the ball boy...balls were 16 PSi were "supposed to be 13" www.patsfans.com/new-england-patriots/messageboard/threads/texts-says-brady-wanted-his-balls-at-13-psi-for-the-jets-game.1119798/again have not seen 1 thing(text) that shows Brady wants the balls under inflated. Nothing. Every PSI I've see mentioned that he wanted was legal either 12.6 or 13 then this "report" takes Walt Coleman's word for it that he measured all the balls before the AFCCG. Not documented but they take his word for it, they were at 12.5....But then they ask which gauge he used...he says "gauge a" ,,,,they keep asking if he's sure he used that gauge,,,he finally says it's possible I used the other one...Report says he used the other one...whole thing is BS which anyone that read it and has a brain would know Page 52 of the Wells report reveals that it was Anderson’s “best recollection” that he used before the game the gauge with the logo and the longer, crooked needle. In other words, Anderson recalls using the gauge before the game that, based on the halftime measurements, leads to a finding of no tampering.
So how did Ted Wells get around the “best recollection” of Walt Anderson? Wells persuaded Anderson to admit that it’s “certainly possible” he used the other gauge. And the company hired to provide technical support for the Wells report concluded based on a convoluted explanation appearing at pages 116-17 of the report that it is “more probable than not” that Anderson used the other gauge. In other words, the Wells report concludes on this critical point that it’s “more probable than not” that Anderson’s “best recollection” was wrong. profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/05/10/wells-report-disregards-andersons-best-recollection-on-a-key-piece-of-evidence/The Patriots should have cooperated with the investigation if they had nothing to hide. That's the lesson here kids. If you get caught with your hands leaving the cookie jar and fresh crumbs around it, don't act like you don't know what the fuck just happened. Own it. That goes for the damn holier-that-thou owner too. Take your medicine. |
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Post by Zig on May 12, 2015 6:58:01 GMT -5
that's where this all started. Read the texts from the ball boy...balls were 16 PSi were "supposed to be 13" www.patsfans.com/new-england-patriots/messageboard/threads/texts-says-brady-wanted-his-balls-at-13-psi-for-the-jets-game.1119798/again have not seen 1 thing(text) that shows Brady wants the balls under inflated. Nothing. Every PSI I've see mentioned that he wanted was legal either 12.6 or 13 then this "report" takes Walt Coleman's word for it that he measured all the balls before the AFCCG. Not documented but they take his word for it, they were at 12.5....But then they ask which gauge he used...he says "gauge a" ,,,,they keep asking if he's sure he used that gauge,,,he finally says it's possible I used the other one...Report says he used the other one...whole thing is BS which anyone that read it and has a brain would know Page 52 of the Wells report reveals that it was Anderson’s “best recollection” that he used before the game the gauge with the logo and the longer, crooked needle. In other words, Anderson recalls using the gauge before the game that, based on the halftime measurements, leads to a finding of no tampering.
So how did Ted Wells get around the “best recollection” of Walt Anderson? Wells persuaded Anderson to admit that it’s “certainly possible” he used the other gauge. And the company hired to provide technical support for the Wells report concluded based on a convoluted explanation appearing at pages 116-17 of the report that it is “more probable than not” that Anderson used the other gauge. In other words, the Wells report concludes on this critical point that it’s “more probable than not” that Anderson’s “best recollection” was wrong. profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/05/10/wells-report-disregards-andersons-best-recollection-on-a-key-piece-of-evidence/The Patriots should have cooperated with the investigation if they had nothing to hide. lol they did cooperate. Brady didnt turn in his phone (I wouldnt either with how the NFL kept "leaking shit" a lot of which was not even remotely true )They had the texts between Brady and the ball boys from the ball boys phone,,,,and McNally had 5 interviews...they wanted a 6th but didnt get it. Dude is a PT employee who has a full time job elsewhere. How many times should he have to get interviewed? Shouldnnt take more than 5 if there's someone competent asking the questions...come on now but no response to the Coleman thing? He claims he used the gauge that shows there WAS NO TAMPERING...Isnt it odd that is being glossed over? THe guy responsible for inspecting the balls says there was no tampering, readings were perfectly normal nothing in any of the texts that are are all over the internet show Brady likes his balls under the limit, they show he likes them right around 12.5 to 13... He was much better after they switched to "legal" balls in the Colts game, I mean you could see the difference in his throws.. absolutely nothing remotely shows he likes "soft" balls" never mind be willing to cheat to get them soft 2 gauges were used at halftime and both came up with vastly different and inconsistent readings. These are facts that are somehow being ignored but I know how it is, nobody is interested is learning the actual facts. GUILTY! |
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Post by EWA Beach PGH Fan on May 12, 2015 7:57:51 GMT -5
lol they did cooperate. Brady didnt turn in his phone (I wouldnt either with how the NFL kept "leaking shit" a lot of which was not even remotely true )They had the texts between Brady and the ball boys from the ball boys phone,,,,and McNally had 5 interviews...they wanted a 6th but didnt get it. Dude is a PT employee who has a full time job elsewhere. How many times should he have to get interviewed? Shouldnnt take more than 5 if there's someone competent asking the questions...come on now but no response to the Coleman thing? He claims he used the gauge that shows there WAS NO TAMPERING...Isnt it odd that is being glossed over? THe guy responsible for inspecting the balls says there was no tampering, readings were perfectly normal nothing in any of the texts that are are all over the internet show Brady likes his balls under the limit, they show he likes them right around 12.5 to 13... He was much better after they switched to "legal" balls in the Colts game, I mean you could see the difference in his throws.. absolutely nothing remotely shows he likes "soft" balls" never mind be willing to cheat to get them soft 2 gauges were used at halftime and both came up with vastly different and inconsistent readings. These are facts that are somehow being ignored but I know how it is, nobody is interested is learning the actual facts. GUILTY! I work in finance. I get audited. If the auditors have questions or want to meet or request files, etc. I comply. Some times it's frustrating when they want to meet 5 days a week for several weeks in a row but I comply. cooperating is a requirement; if you don't it looks bad. IMO this investigation is no different. You cooperate from beginning to end no matter how many requests. Anything short of that is failure to cooperate. If you don't cooperate, we automaticlly believe you are hiding something and we assume it's wrong doing until proven otherwise. That's just the nature of being an auditor!!! |
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Post by Swamp Dragon on May 12, 2015 11:07:16 GMT -5
that's where this all started. Read the texts from the ball boy...balls were 16 PSi were "supposed to be 13" www.patsfans.com/new-england-patriots/messageboard/threads/texts-says-brady-wanted-his-balls-at-13-psi-for-the-jets-game.1119798/again have not seen 1 thing(text) that shows Brady wants the balls under inflated. Nothing. Every PSI I've see mentioned that he wanted was legal either 12.6 or 13 then this "report" takes Walt Coleman's word for it that he measured all the balls before the AFCCG. Not documented but they take his word for it, they were at 12.5....But then they ask which gauge he used...he says "gauge a" ,,,,they keep asking if he's sure he used that gauge,,,he finally says it's possible I used the other one...Report says he used the other one...whole thing is BS which anyone that read it and has a brain would know Page 52 of the Wells report reveals that it was Anderson’s “best recollection” that he used before the game the gauge with the logo and the longer, crooked needle. In other words, Anderson recalls using the gauge before the game that, based on the halftime measurements, leads to a finding of no tampering.
So how did Ted Wells get around the “best recollection” of Walt Anderson? Wells persuaded Anderson to admit that it’s “certainly possible” he used the other gauge. And the company hired to provide technical support for the Wells report concluded based on a convoluted explanation appearing at pages 116-17 of the report that it is “more probable than not” that Anderson used the other gauge. In other words, the Wells report concludes on this critical point that it’s “more probable than not” that Anderson’s “best recollection” was wrong. profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/05/10/wells-report-disregards-andersons-best-recollection-on-a-key-piece-of-evidence/That part I didn't have to, the only person that would want the balls underinflated that would have any juice is Brady Is the rule stupid? Yes are you trying to tell me the PSI in a ball used in SD or Miami going to feel like a ball used in the mid west or north east in December? Hell no. But they cheated and most importantly they got caught they have to pay |
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Post by dyhard on May 12, 2015 21:32:40 GMT -5
4 game suspension works good for Brady, but a 1st & 4th round pick? honestly, that's a little much imo but I think they're getting all of that applied to them heavier due to their failure to cooperate fully with the investigation If not SpyGate. These guys are repeat offenders. Either they're really good at finding new ways to cheat or really bad at hiding it. well, if they got all that for being repeat offenders, then shouldn't they get some sort of penalty for not cooperating with the investigation even tho they said they would? |
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Post by EWA Beach PGH Fan on May 13, 2015 7:22:19 GMT -5
well, if they got all that for being repeat offenders, then shouldn't they get some sort of penalty for not cooperating with the investigation even tho they said they would? You're right. This penalty wasn't significant enough. More suspensions, more fines, more draft picks forfeited, no appeals. How about a 1 year suspension for the entire franchise, make 'em forfeit every game in 2015. And make them pick last in every round they have a pick in the 2016 draft. I'd like to say that that would teach them not to cheat but we all know it wouldn't. But it might make them better at not getting caught! |
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Post by dyhard on May 13, 2015 8:23:02 GMT -5
well, if they got all that for being repeat offenders, then shouldn't they get some sort of penalty for not cooperating with the investigation even tho they said they would? You're right. This penalty wasn't significant enough. More suspensions, more fines, more draft picks forfeited, no appeals. there should be something, it just shows you that you can not cooperate and if they still find something you'll get the same punishment |
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Post by dyhard on May 13, 2015 8:48:36 GMT -5
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Post by EWA Beach PGH Fan on May 13, 2015 8:49:21 GMT -5
How about a 1 year suspension for the entire franchise, make 'em forfeit every game in 2015. And make them pick last in every round they have a pick in the 2016 draft. I'd like to say that that would teach them not to cheat but we all know it wouldn't. But it might make them better at not getting caught! havent you ever read Cosmo? Once a cheater always a cheater. The problem is their arrogance, dismissive attitude, refusal to cooperate and failure to accept responsibility is an organizational problem. It's the culture of the franchise. And that all starts with team ownership, funnels down through the front office, the coaching staff, the players, even the piss ant assistants - hell, those lackeys are generally stuck doing the dirty deeds (SpyGate). The only reasonable option is to force the sale of the franchise, fire everyone in the front office, fire the coaching staff, fire the assistants and everyone else who works for the organization all the way down to the ball boy and the guys working the ticket booths. Then scrap the roster: have a 31 team supplemental draft to relocate those players equally. And the new ownership and new coaching staff can rebuild the franchise as you would build an expansion team. Read?....Ummm...Sure. I concur, give the Pats the equivilant of the NCAA death penalty!!! |
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Post by EWA Beach PGH Fan on May 13, 2015 11:30:55 GMT -5
IMO NFL punishments are just for show. They always make the big shocking release and everyone says "omg that's such a strict penalty". Then after the media walks away they reduce everything down to mere slaps on the wrist. IMO they would have let Ray Rice and Adrian Peterson back on the field a hell of a lot faster if the media wasn't watchdogging it. The NFL doesn't really give a fuck as long as they are making money. All of these punishments are just to make the bad press go away. Yuuup!!! |
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