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Post by Swamp Dragon on Mar 31, 2015 18:50:46 GMT -5
1)  Jameis Winston QB Fla St 2)  Marcus Mariota QB Oregon 3)  Dante Fowler DE/OLB Florida 4)  Leonard Williams DE/DT USC 5)  Amari Cooper WE Alabama 6)  Vic Beasley DE/OLB Clemson 7)  Danny Shelton NT/DT Washington 8)  Brandon Scherff, OT/G, Iowa 9)  Shane Ray, DE/OLB, Missouri 10)  Kevin White, WR, West Virginia Winston I'd put in stone ... I can see the Titans trading down here but I don't see anyone wanting to pay the price to move up... Jax is where the draft will take it's first sideways move as Fowler gets taken before Williams ... Raiders would have taken Cooper or White if Williams is gone although I'm not sure if the go for the higher floor Cooper or the higher ceiling in White ...DC might go with Trae Waynes but I think it's too early to draft him at 5 ... Jets might have been in play for Waynes as well but with the signings of Revis Cro' and Skrine a severe weakness was made into a strength in FA .. Bears are going to a 3-4 w/Fangio the new DC and Shelton will plug in at NT ... Atlanta is a tough read as they have no draft history yet so I went the safe route and took Scherff but multiple players would be in play at this spot ... |
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Post by Swamp Dragon on Mar 31, 2015 19:10:39 GMT -5
1) Tampa Bay Jameis Winston QB Fla St 2) Tennessee Marcus Mariota QB Oregon 3) Jacksonville Dante Fowler DE/OLB Florida 4) Oakland Leonard Williams DE/DT USC 5) Washington Amari Cooper WE Alabama 6) New York Jets Vic Beasley DE/OLB Clemson 7) Chicago Danny Shelton NT/DT Washington 8) Atlanta Brandon Scherff, OT/G, Iowa 9) NY Giants Shane Ray, DE/OLB, Missouri 10) St Louis Kevin White, WR, West Virginia Winston I'd put in stone ... I can see the Titans trading down here but I don't see anyone wanting to pay the price to move up... Jax is where the draft will take it's first sideways move as Fowler gets taken before Williams ... Raiders would have taken Cooper or White if Williams is gone although I'm not sure if the go for the higher floor Cooper or the higher ceiling in White ...DC might go with Trae Waynes but I think it's too early to draft him at 5 ... Jets might have been in play for Waynes as well but with the signings of Revis Cro' and Skrine a severe weakness was made into a strength in FA .. Bears are going to a 3-4 w/Fangio the new DC and Shelton will plug in at NT ... Atlanta is a tough read as they have no draft history yet so I went the safe route and took Scherff but multiple players would be in play at this spot ... A run on O-lineman & WR's coming up |
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Post by Otis B. Driftwood on Mar 31, 2015 19:57:17 GMT -5
I have a bad feeling about Winston... and I'm not completely convinced about Mariota either. Just seems to me this is going to be another one of those drafts where someone is going to hitch their wagons to a QB that's going to get them fired.
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Post by Swamp Dragon on Mar 31, 2015 20:18:05 GMT -5
I have a bad feeling about Winston... and I'm not completely convinced about Mariota either. Just seems to me this is going to be another one of those drafts where someone is going to hitch their wagons to a QB that's going to get them fired. Well they aren't " Franchise" QB's in my opinion but they could be the next Ryan Tannehill or Teddy Bridgewater and that would be an ok pick. More teams have red chip QB';s than the 4-5 who have blue chips |
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Post by Otis B. Driftwood on Mar 31, 2015 21:27:42 GMT -5
I have a bad feeling about Winston... and I'm not completely convinced about Mariota either. Just seems to me this is going to be another one of those drafts where someone is going to hitch their wagons to a QB that's going to get them fired. Well they aren't " Franchise" QB's in my opinion but they could be the next Ryan Tannehill or Teddy Bridgewater and that would be an ok pick. More teams have red chip QB';s than the 4-5 who have blue chips My point exactly. You don't take a guy that high unless you are absolutely certain he is a can't miss talent. And it isn't like TB and TENN have other needs that couldn't be addressed. Teams outthink themselves. Just take the best player. |
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Post by Swamp Dragon on Mar 31, 2015 21:40:41 GMT -5
Well they aren't " Franchise" QB's in my opinion but they could be the next Ryan Tannehill or Teddy Bridgewater and that would be an ok pick. More teams have red chip QB';s than the 4-5 who have blue chips My point exactly. You don't take a guy that high unless you are absolutely certain he is a can't miss talent. And it isn't like TB and TENN have other needs that couldn't be addressed. Teams outthink themselves. Just take the best player. You can't win without a QB (see Rex Ryan) so if there is one available and you don't have one you have to take 'em and pray because you can win with Tannehill and Teddy B |
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Post by Leader O'Cola on Mar 31, 2015 23:15:15 GMT -5
winston- ceiling= cutler
floor= russell
mariota- ceiling= dalton
floor= dalton
it's a question of you think you can build your team around boom/bust, or mediocrity.
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Post by Swamp Dragon on Mar 31, 2015 23:40:58 GMT -5
winston- ceiling= cutler floor= russell mariota- ceiling= dalton floor= dalton it's a question of you think you can build your team around boom/bust, or mediocrity. ugh This is a more probable list but not as funny Winston ceiling= Cam Newton median=Jay Cutler floor= Jason Campbell Mariota ceiling= Kaep median= RG3 floor= Jake Locker Now before everyone goes ballistic on the ceiling guys I would say it's doubtful they get there but the one thing that can't be scouted is the desire to be the best If they have the desire I can see them being similar to them the median is most likely though |
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Post by Swamp Dragon on Apr 2, 2015 12:39:14 GMT -5
1) Jameis Winston QB Fla St 2) Marcus Mariota QB Oregon 3) Dante Fowler DE/OLB Florida 4) Leonard Williams DE/DT USC 5) Amari Cooper WE Alabama 6) Vic Beasley DE/OLB Clemson 7) Danny Shelton NT/DT Washington 8) Brandon Scherff, OT/G, Iowa 9) Shane Ray, DE/OLB, Missouri 10) Kevin White, WR, West Virginia Winston I'd put in stone ... I can see the Titans trading down here but I don't see anyone wanting to pay the price to move up... Jax is where the draft will take it's first sideways move as Fowler gets taken before Williams ... Raiders would have taken Cooper or White if Williams is gone although I'm not sure if the go for the higher floor Cooper or the higher ceiling in White ...DC might go with Trae Waynes but I think it's too early to draft him at 5 ... Jets might have been in play for Waynes as well but with the signings of Revis Cro' and Skrine a severe weakness was made into a strength in FA .. Bears are going to a 3-4 w/Fangio the new DC and Shelton will plug in at NT ... Atlanta is a tough read as they have no draft history yet so I went the safe route and took Scherff but multiple players would be in play at this spot ... 11)  Trae Waynes CB Michigan St 12)  Devante Parker WR Louisville 13)  Randy Gregory OLB Nebraska 14)  La'el Collins ,OT LSU 15)  Arik Armstead DT Oregon 16)  Jalen Collins, CB LSU 17)  Melvin Gordon, RB Wisconsin 18)  T.J. Clemmings OT Pittsburgh 19) Bud Dupree, OLB Kentucky 20)  Landon Collins SS Alabama |
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Post by Swamp Dragon on Apr 3, 2015 14:46:05 GMT -5
1) Jameis Winston QB Fla St 2) Marcus Mariota QB Oregon 3) Dante Fowler DE/OLB Florida 4) Leonard Williams DE/DT USC 5) Amari Cooper WE Alabama 6) Vic Beasley DE/OLB Clemson 7) Danny Shelton NT/DT Washington 8) Brandon Scherff, OT/G, Iowa 9) Shane Ray, DE/OLB, Missouri 10) Kevin White, WR, West Virginia 11) Trae Waynes CB Michigan St 12) Devante Parker WR Louisville 13) Randy Gregory OLB Nebraska 14) La'el Collins ,OT LSU 15) Arik Armstead DT Oregon 16) Jalen Collins, CB LSU 17) Melvin Gordon, RB Wisconsin 18) T.J. Clemmings OT Pittsburgh 19) Bud Dupree, OLB Kentucky 20) Landon Collins SS Alabama 21)  Andrus Peat OT Stanford 22)  Marcus Peters CB Washington 23)  Malcom Brown DT Texas 24)  Arik Armstead DT Oregon 25)  Ereck Flowers OT Miami 26)  Jaelen Strong WR Arizona State 27)  Todd Gurley RB Georgia 28)  Cedric Ogbuehi OT Texas A&M 29)  Cameron Erving C Florida St. 30)  Kevin Johnson CB Wake Forest 31) Jordan Phillips NT Oklahoma 32)  Breshad Perriman WR Central Florida |
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Post by Swamp Dragon on Apr 4, 2015 16:23:49 GMT -5
Well they aren't " Franchise" QB's in my opinion but they could be the next Ryan Tannehill or Teddy Bridgewater and that would be an ok pick. More teams have red chip QB';s than the 4-5 who have blue chips My point exactly. You don't take a guy that high unless you are absolutely certain he is a can't miss talent. And it isn't like TB and TENN have other needs that couldn't be addressed. Teams outthink themselves. Just take the best player. If you have no QB and there is one that has a ceiling that is red chip you have to take the chance. You cannot win without a QB in this league and if you aren't trying to win then you should look for a new job. Yes you may swing and miss but you can say that about every player in the draft. If you have a stud at the most important position then chances are you will have a competitive team |
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Post by Zig on Apr 4, 2015 16:32:09 GMT -5
11) Trae Waynes CB Michigan St 12) Devante Parker WR Louisville 13) Randy Gregory OLB Nebraska 14) La'el Collins ,OT LSU 15) Arik Armstead DT Oregon 16) Jalen Collins, CB LSU 17) Melvin Gordon, RB Wisconsin 18) T.J. Clemmings OT Pittsburgh 19) Bud Dupree, OLB Kentucky 20) Landon Collins SS Alabama 21) Andrus Peat OT Stanford 22) Marcus Peters CB Washington 23) Malcom Brown DT Texas 24) Arik Armstead DT Oregon 25) Ereck Flowers OT Miami 26) Jaelen Strong WR Arizona State 27) Todd Gurley RB Georgia 28) Cedric Ogbuehi OT Texas A&M 29) Cameron Erving C Florida St. 30) Kevin Johnson CB Wake Forest 31) Jordan Phillips NT Oklahoma 32) Breshad Perriman WR Central Florida Could you make it so K Johnson drops 2 spots? Thanks Your Pal,Zig |
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Post by Swamp Dragon on Apr 4, 2015 17:00:58 GMT -5
21) Andrus Peat OT Stanford 22) Marcus Peters CB Washington 23) Malcom Brown DT Texas 24) Arik Armstead DT Oregon 25) Ereck Flowers OT Miami 26) Jaelen Strong WR Arizona State 27) Todd Gurley RB Georgia 28) Cedric Ogbuehi OT Texas A&M 29) Cameron Erving C Florida St. 30) Kevin Johnson CB Wake Forest 31) Jordan Phillips NT Oklahoma 32) Breshad Perriman WR Central Florida Could you make it so K Johnson drops 2 spots? Thanks Your Pal,Zig Funny you posted that as I looked at it after I started to think that McKinney or Perryman might be more logical picks for the Pack which would make Johnson available at 32 |
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Post by Zig on Apr 5, 2015 8:11:53 GMT -5
Could you make it so K Johnson drops 2 spots? Thanks Your Pal,Zig Funny you posted that as I looked at it after I started to think that McKinney or Perryman might be more logical picks for the Pack which would make Johnson available at 32 I just dont like the Pats ability (or lack there of) to draft/develop WRs so I dont want them "Wasting" a 1st round pick there. I dont believe in taking RBs or WRs that high really. They are only slightly better at drafting/developing DBs and that's a bigger need imo another tip for you: If they even use #32, chances are great it'll be on a Rutgers or UF player |
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Post by aka50yearfan on Apr 5, 2015 10:15:11 GMT -5
1) Jameis Winston QB Fla St 2) Marcus Mariota QB Oregon 3) Dante Fowler DE/OLB Florida 4) Leonard Williams DE/DT USC 5) Amari Cooper WE Alabama 6) Vic Beasley DE/OLB Clemson 7) Danny Shelton NT/DT Washington 8) Brandon Scherff, OT/G, Iowa 9) Shane Ray, DE/OLB, Missouri 10) Kevin White, WR, West Virginia Winston I'd put in stone ... I can see the Titans trading down here but I don't see anyone wanting to pay the price to move up... Jax is where the draft will take it's first sideways move as Fowler gets taken before Williams ... Raiders would have taken Cooper or White if Williams is gone although I'm not sure if the go for the higher floor Cooper or the higher ceiling in White ...DC might go with Trae Waynes but I think it's too early to draft him at 5 ... Jets might have been in play for Waynes as well but with the signings of Revis Cro' and Skrine a severe weakness was made into a strength in FA .. Bears are going to a 3-4 w/Fangio the new DC and Shelton will plug in at NT ... Atlanta is a tough read as they have no draft history yet so I went the safe route and took Scherff but multiple players would be in play at this spot ... If Cooper is still on the board, and he might be, the Giants take him. The Giants will go for defense with that first pick otherwise. DT if the right one is there and do not be surprised to see them take Collins. They need a safety help bad. At 9 you can get a quality prospect in this draft, but hard to see them taking the third best player at a position. |
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Post by Swamp Dragon on Apr 5, 2015 11:43:47 GMT -5
Well they aren't " Franchise" QB's in my opinion but they could be the next Ryan Tannehill or Teddy Bridgewater and that would be an ok pick. More teams have red chip QB';s than the 4-5 who have blue chips Teddy had a solid rookie year but nothing special IMO. He's going to have to improve a lot before I'm sold on him. But to be fair Ive always considered Ryan Tannehill to be overrated until last season as well. He still is to an extent but he finally put in a season worthy of the hype. Tannehill only started 12 games in college He is going to be a very good QB |
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Post by Swamp Dragon on Apr 5, 2015 11:48:43 GMT -5
1) Jameis Winston QB Fla St 2) Marcus Mariota QB Oregon 3) Dante Fowler DE/OLB Florida 4) Leonard Williams DE/DT USC 5) Amari Cooper WE Alabama 6) Vic Beasley DE/OLB Clemson 7) Danny Shelton NT/DT Washington 8) Brandon Scherff, OT/G, Iowa 9) Shane Ray, DE/OLB, Missouri 10) Kevin White, WR, West Virginia Winston I'd put in stone ... I can see the Titans trading down here but I don't see anyone wanting to pay the price to move up... Jax is where the draft will take it's first sideways move as Fowler gets taken before Williams ... Raiders would have taken Cooper or White if Williams is gone although I'm not sure if the go for the higher floor Cooper or the higher ceiling in White ...DC might go with Trae Waynes but I think it's too early to draft him at 5 ... Jets might have been in play for Waynes as well but with the signings of Revis Cro' and Skrine a severe weakness was made into a strength in FA .. Bears are going to a 3-4 w/Fangio the new DC and Shelton will plug in at NT ... Atlanta is a tough read as they have no draft history yet so I went the safe route and took Scherff but multiple players would be in play at this spot ... If Cooper is still on the board, and he might be, the Giants take him. The Giants will go for defense with that first pick otherwise. DT if the right one is there and do not be surprised to see them take Collins. They need a safety help bad. At 9 you can get a quality prospect in this draft, but hard to see them taking the third best player at a position. All boards are different and there is no consensus on which of the 3 are 1-2-3 So presume he was their #1 edge rusher |
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Post by Swamp Dragon on Apr 5, 2015 11:59:12 GMT -5
Funny you posted that as I looked at it after I started to think that McKinney or Perryman might be more logical picks for the Pack which would make Johnson available at 32 I just dont like the Pats ability (or lack there of) to draft/develop WRs so I dont want them "Wasting" a 1st round pick there. I dont believe in taking RBs or WRs that high really. They are only slightly better at drafting/developing DBs and that's a bigger need imo another tip for you: If they even use #32, chances are great it'll be on a Rutgers or UF player Honestly the chances of them actually making the pick are about 25 % some player will have slid and a team that figures a team between them and this pick will pluck him before they do will up their 2nd and a 1st or 2nd (depending how far back they are) next season to move up to the 32 spot. I don't personally believe in that philosophy of moving up as it is too expensive |
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Post by Swamp Dragon on Apr 5, 2015 12:04:48 GMT -5
21) Andrus Peat OT Stanford 22) Marcus Peters CB Washington 23) Malcom Brown DT Texas 24) Arik Armstead DT Oregon 25) Ereck Flowers OT Miami 26) Jaelen Strong WR Arizona State 27) Todd Gurley RB Georgia 28) Cedric Ogbuehi OT Texas A&M 29) Cameron Erving C Florida St. 30) Kevin Johnson CB Wake Forest 31) Jordan Phillips NT Oklahoma 32) Breshad Perriman WR Central Florida Could you make it so K Johnson drops 2 spots? Thanks Your Pal,Zig scuttlebutt has Johnson and Perriman as the big risers up the charts right now so in my 2 weeks from now mock they might both be out of reach |
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Post by Swamp Dragon on Apr 13, 2015 23:27:17 GMT -5
1) Jameis Winston QB Fla St 2) Marcus Mariota QB Oregon 3) Dante Fowler DE/OLB Florida 4) Leonard Williams DE/DT USC 5) Amari Cooper WE Alabama 6) Vic Beasley DE/OLB Clemson 7) Danny Shelton NT/DT Washington 8) Brandon Scherff, OT/G, Iowa 9) Shane Ray, DE/OLB, Missouri 10) Kevin White, WR, West Virginia Winston I'd put in stone ... I can see the Titans trading down here but I don't see anyone wanting to pay the price to move up... Jax is where the draft will take it's first sideways move as Fowler gets taken before Williams ... Raiders would have taken Cooper or White if Williams is gone although I'm not sure if the go for the higher floor Cooper or the higher ceiling in White ...DC might go with Trae Waynes but I think it's too early to draft him at 5 ... Jets might have been in play for Waynes as well but with the signings of Revis Cro' and Skrine a severe weakness was made into a strength in FA .. Bears are going to a 3-4 w/Fangio the new DC and Shelton will plug in at NT ... Atlanta is a tough read as they have no draft history yet so I went the safe route and took Scherff but multiple players would be in play at this spot ... I'm going to put 2.0 up over the next couple days |
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Post by Swamp Dragon on Apr 16, 2015 22:28:40 GMT -5
1) Jameis Winston QB Fla St 2) Marcus Mariota QB Oregon 3) Dante Fowler DE/OLB Florida 4) Leonard Williams DE/DT USC 5) Amari Cooper WE Alabama 6) Vic Beasley DE/OLB Clemson 7) Danny Shelton NT/DT Washington 8) Brandon Scherff, OT/G, Iowa 9) Shane Ray, DE/OLB, Missouri 10) Kevin White, WR, West Virginia Winston I'd put in stone ... I can see the Titans trading down here but I don't see anyone wanting to pay the price to move up... Jax is where the draft will take it's first sideways move as Fowler gets taken before Williams ... Raiders would have taken Cooper or White if Williams is gone although I'm not sure if the go for the higher floor Cooper or the higher ceiling in White ...DC might go with Trae Waynes but I think it's too early to draft him at 5 ... Jets might have been in play for Waynes as well but with the signings of Revis Cro' and Skrine a severe weakness was made into a strength in FA .. Bears are going to a 3-4 w/Fangio the new DC and Shelton will plug in at NT ... Atlanta is a tough read as they have no draft history yet so I went the safe route and took Scherff but multiple players would be in play at this spot ... I'm going to put 2.0 up over the next couple days Still debating putting a Rivers for the 2 pick in my mock |
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Post by Hubster on Apr 22, 2015 20:57:53 GMT -5
I'm not so sure the Bucs will be picking Winston #1 after Publix Supermarkets conducted an internal investigation and found no evidence that any of their employees had hooked him up with free crab legs.
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Post by Swamp Dragon on Apr 23, 2015 0:30:29 GMT -5
I'm not so sure the Bucs will be picking Winston #1 after Publix Supermarkets conducted an internal investigation and found no evidence that any of their employees had hooked him up with free crab legs. If I was the employee I doubt i would cop[ to it so I can get fired either. . And why wasn't this brought up last year when it happened. A non-story but if it had of been me instead of Jameis I would have tried a different approach to the question |
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Post by Hubster on Apr 23, 2015 6:53:22 GMT -5
I'm not so sure the Bucs will be picking Winston #1 after Publix Supermarkets conducted an internal investigation and found no evidence that any of their employees had hooked him up with free crab legs. If I was the employee I doubt i would cop[ to it so I can get fired either. . And why wasn't this brought up last year when it happened. A non-story but if it had of been me instead of Jameis I would have tried a different approach to the question How many links would you like me to post of this 'non story?' |
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Post by Swamp Dragon on Apr 23, 2015 10:23:54 GMT -5
If I was the employee I doubt i would cop[ to it so I can get fired either. . And why wasn't this brought up last year when it happened. A non-story but if it had of been me instead of Jameis I would have tried a different approach to the question How many links would you like me to post of this 'non story?' That wasn't what I meant. If he has the talent the work ethic and a high ceiling those kinds things will be looked at as immaturity, the alleged sexual assault on the other hand will be his undoing if he drops |
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Post by BUCCS469 on Apr 23, 2015 20:23:36 GMT -5
if the bucs draft that dumbass they waste a decade....he will be awful...his attitude and sense of entitlement is horrid.....best thing that could happen would be if he died before the draft.....so we couldnt take him
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Post by Swamp Dragon on Apr 23, 2015 23:11:22 GMT -5
if the bucs draft that dumbass they waste a decade....he will be awful...his attitude and sense of entitlement is horrid.....best thing that could happen would be if he died before the draft.....so we couldnt take him He is the best NFL style QB in the draft He played in a pro style offense. He has a major league arm He has a high football IQ ..... real life not so much |
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Post by Hubster on Apr 24, 2015 7:29:04 GMT -5
if the bucs draft that dumbass they waste a decade....he will be awful...his attitude and sense of entitlement is horrid.....best thing that could happen would be if he died before the draft.....so we couldnt take him This franchise desperately needs a QB, so it's either going to be Winston or Mariota. |
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Post by Otis B. Driftwood on Apr 24, 2015 8:19:42 GMT -5
if the bucs draft that dumbass they waste a decade....he will be awful...his attitude and sense of entitlement is horrid.....best thing that could happen would be if he died before the draft.....so we couldnt take him That's the fear.. if he "hits", you're set for ten years. He misses - it's JaMarcus Russell. The Raiders are still recovering from that fiasco. |
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Post by Swamp Dragon on Apr 25, 2015 8:56:11 GMT -5
if the bucs draft that dumbass they waste a decade....he will be awful...his attitude and sense of entitlement is horrid.....best thing that could happen would be if he died before the draft.....so we couldnt take him That's the fear.. if he "hits", you're set for ten years. He misses - it's JaMarcus Russell. The Raiders are still recovering from that fiasco. I don't think he'll be that bad. He has a great work ethic from what they say. Besides the immaturity issue I'd be more worried that that program gave the NFL Christian Ponder & EJ Manuel. But then again Tedford gave the NFL Akili Smith Joey Harrington Trent Dilfer Kyle Boller and the one anomaly to those duds in Aaron Rodgers. The biggest problem is if they pass and he becomes a stud they are canned if they draft him and he becomes a dud they are fired. They are in a tough spot cause they have a fairly good roster and are going to win enough games that they will probably not be at the top of the draft again in 2016 (yes they will still be a top ten pick unless they get some production from the QB position) The Titans on the other hand have a very weak roster and will be picking in the top 5 again probably top 3 they could pass on a QB and tank their season and have a crack at Cardale Jones, Hackenburg, or Connor Cook at the top of the 2016 draft. The Bucs are pretty well stuck taking one of Winston or Mariota #1 |
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