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Post by tnerb57 on Feb 18, 2015 5:54:04 GMT -5
If it wasn't Seguin and the check still resulted in an injury to the player hit, I'd like think he'd still have gotten a game or two but just a fine is entirely possible. love your selection of beverages , but might i suggest a roll of tums may be in order ? One tab of Pepcid Complete - or the Walmart equivalent of it > 10 rolls of Tums Just saying. |
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Post by Harry Crack on Feb 18, 2015 7:46:16 GMT -5
love your selection of beverages , but might i suggest a roll of tums may be in order ? One tab of Pepcid Complete - or the Walmart equivalent of it > 10 rolls of Tums Just saying. Agreed , although if it is a beer and wings night at the "local" i pop a zantac for the same free ticket to mess with my guts |
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Post by Otis B. Driftwood on Feb 18, 2015 7:58:07 GMT -5
When it's all said and done, that sparkling 4-9 November record will be what does them in along with being very average at home. You can't dig that kind of hole that early in the season and expect to have a good conference wait for you to have a run. Main takeaway this season is that the kids came up from Cedar Park and Nill can make good assessments on who can play and who can't. So it won't be a complete loss. Just disappointing after getting a taste of the playoffs last season... I had high hopes. Surprised to find out that this was Benn's 1st NHL hattrick I was too. Figured he would have had at least one. Spezza and he had really good chemistry last night. STL looked like they were skating in mud. Ruff had the great quote after the game... "He's (Benn) only 2 behind me now". |
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Post by NYR on Feb 18, 2015 14:31:18 GMT -5
no disrespect Otis, but one has to wonder: if it wasn't Tyler Seguin and his meteoric rise since the trade from BeanTown, does Kulikov even get a game or two? If it wasn't Seguin and the check still resulted in an injury to the player hit, I'd like think he'd still have gotten a game or two but just a fine is entirely possible. If it was Tanner Glass, no one would have gave a shit. |
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Post by NYR on Feb 18, 2015 14:33:17 GMT -5
Kulikov gets 4 games. Actually seems about right for a guy who was pretty much a non-entity before taking out our best player. No history... not a dirty guy per say... Heard it put yesterday that it was a lazy play on his part. That might be a good analogy. Regardless - it puts my heroes in a tough spot. A couple more losses and guys like Horcoff and Cole might plan on being trade fodder. By modern day NHL standards it was nasty, and I felt that it did look lazy. The Stars have been fighting like mad to stay in the playoff race and I feel that the rule should be changed on suspensions. I think that the offender should have to sit out until the victim is able to lace them up again. what the fuck does that mean? Lazy? If your talking about Tyler admiring his pass and losing track of the defenseman lining him up in the cross hairs? yep |
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Post by tigertowner 68 on Feb 18, 2015 16:14:19 GMT -5
By modern day NHL standards it was nasty, and I felt that it did look lazy. The Stars have been fighting like mad to stay in the playoff race and I feel that the rule should be changed on suspensions. I think that the offender should have to sit out until the victim is able to lace them up again. what the fuck does that mean? Lazy? If your talking about Tyler admiring his pass and losing track of the defenseman lining him up in the cross hairs? yep I was quoting a reference that Otis made in a post. Otis did not state that, just said that some people did. I agreed because it looked in the video to me that Kulikov just "dived" right into Seguin's path and took him out from beneath. As far as Seguin admiring his pass, upon further review I think you have a point there too. |
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Post by EWA Beach PGH Fan on Feb 18, 2015 19:51:19 GMT -5
If it wasn't Seguin and the check still resulted in an injury to the player hit, I'd like think he'd still have gotten a game or two but just a fine is entirely possible. If it was Tanner Glass, no one would have gave a shit. Who??? |
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Post by Harry Crack on Feb 18, 2015 20:06:41 GMT -5
If it was Tanner Glass, no one would have gave a shit. Who??? You know...old TG , that guy ....he plays for those guys........ |
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Post by EWA Beach PGH Fan on Feb 19, 2015 5:09:43 GMT -5
You know...old TG , that guy ....he plays for those guys........ Nope, still not ringing a bell. Is he even in the NHL??? |
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Post by NYR on Feb 19, 2015 6:54:27 GMT -5
You know...old TG , that guy ....he plays for those guys........ Nope, still not ringing a bell. Is he even in the NHL??? exactly my point. If he got laid out, the NHL wouldnt even give a shit. |
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Post by NYR on Feb 19, 2015 7:02:08 GMT -5
what the fuck does that mean? Lazy? If your talking about Tyler admiring his pass and losing track of the defenseman lining him up in the cross hairs? yep I was quoting a reference that Otis made in a post. Otis did not state that, just said that some people did. I agreed because it looked in the video to me that Kulikov just "dived" right into Seguin's path and took him out from beneath. As far as Seguin admiring his pass, upon further review I think you have a point there too. consider this: Seguin had his head down from the red line trying to work the puck up to his stick from his skates. He quickly appeared in Kulikov's cross hairs; just ask Scott Stevens. In the new "euro" NHL where you need special clearance to contact an opposing player; Kulikov's choices are: 1) bury Tyler ala Scott Stevens on Eric Lindros and give him a concussion and face league punishment 2) not hit him at all and play Euro style hockey 3) attempt a hip check Sorry, Tyler is enamored with himself. I am not happy he got hurt, but he admired that pass. The league wants a much faster, wide open, limited contact hockey well then they need to let the puck carry bear some of the burden of responsibility. If you look at the whole play, you can see Tyler puts himself out there a good 10 seconds before impact. Any hockey player is taught, separate the man from the puck. Tyler keeps his head up, moves the puck and gets his head back on a swivel and takes note of who is coming at him, drives the net; we dont have this conversation. |
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Post by Otis B. Driftwood on Feb 19, 2015 7:04:13 GMT -5
By modern day NHL standards it was nasty, and I felt that it did look lazy. The Stars have been fighting like mad to stay in the playoff race and I feel that the rule should be changed on suspensions. I think that the offender should have to sit out until the victim is able to lace them up again. what the fuck does that mean? Lazy? If your talking about Tyler admiring his pass and losing track of the defenseman lining him up in the cross hairs? yep More than a couple of observations (McKenzie; Hradek to name a few) called it a lazy attempt to defend. Out of position and took a "lazy" approach to defending. As as far as Seguin admiring his pass... I'll respectfully just disagree. It was still a cheap hit. And - I still agree that if it had been Colton Sceviour instead of Tyler Seguin, Kulikov might have not even been suspended. That's a bigger issue and you and I both know that. |
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Post by NYR on Feb 19, 2015 7:06:44 GMT -5
what the fuck does that mean? Lazy? If your talking about Tyler admiring his pass and losing track of the defenseman lining him up in the cross hairs? yep More than a couple of observations (McKenzie; Hradek to name a few) called it a lazy attempt to defend. Out of position and took a "lazy" approach to defending. As as far as Seguin admiring his pass... I'll respectfully just disagree. It was still a cheap hit. And - I still agree that if it had been Colton Sceviour instead of Tyler Seguin, Kulikov might have not even been suspended. That's a bigger issue and you and I both know that. agree to disagree. I am not in the least bit glad this happened. Kulikov could have laid a better him check. Tyler could have done a better job keeping his head up. |
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Post by EWA Beach PGH Fan on Feb 19, 2015 9:06:26 GMT -5
Nope, still not ringing a bell. Is he even in the NHL??? exactly my point. If he got laid out, the NHL wouldnt even give a shit. Talk about lazy. You couldn't even do your homework and pick a current Pens' 4th liner as an example. (And NO, I'm not doing your homework for you and telling you one.) This isn't making your point at all since you picked a player that has been out of the NHL for a while. If he somehow got on the ice and got injured by a current player on a lazily thrown hip check, there would be all kinds of hell to pay for all involved. YES!!! I said lazily thrown. Whether Seguin had his head down or not is not relavent. The lazy hip check caused the injury and the player being that careless with other players' safety deserved to be suspended no matter who he hurt with his poor check or his prior history. The NHL got this right and should be applouded for it and excuses should never, EVER be made to justify that lazy and careless of a check. |
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Post by NYR on Feb 19, 2015 9:14:10 GMT -5
exactly my point. If he got laid out, the NHL wouldnt even give a shit. Talk about lazy. You couldn't even do your homework and pick a current Pens' 4th liner as an example. (And NO, I'm not doing your homework for you and telling you one.) This isn't making your point at all since you picked a player that has been out of the NHL for a while. If he somehow got on the ice and got injured by a current player on a lazily thrown hip check, there would be all kinds of hell to pay for all involved. YES!!! I said lazily thrown. Whether Seguin had his head down or not is not relavent. The lazy hip check caused the injury and the player being that careless with other players' safety deserved to be suspended no matter who he hurt with his poor check or his prior history. The NHL got this right and should be applouded for it and excuses should never, EVER be made to justify that lazy and careless of a check. I quit reading when you mentioned Pens. I dont know why your bringing them into this conversation other than for selfish needs. If your referring to laziness and Tanner Glass -- New York Rangers 4th line winger on every last quarter of the moon; otherwise 1 mil+ healthy scratch most nights. Look it up! |
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Post by NYR on Feb 19, 2015 9:16:21 GMT -5
exactly my point. If he got laid out, the NHL wouldnt even give a shit. Talk about lazy. You couldn't even do your homework and pick a current Pens' 4th liner as an example. (And NO, I'm not doing your homework for you and telling you one.) This isn't making your point at all since you picked a player that has been out of the NHL for a while. If he somehow got on the ice and got injured by a current player on a lazily thrown hip check, there would be all kinds of hell to pay for all involved. YES!!! I said lazily thrown. Whether Seguin had his head down or not is not relavent. The lazy hip check caused the injury and the player being that careless with other players' safety deserved to be suspended no matter who he hurt with his poor check or his prior history. The NHL got this right and should be applouded for it and excuses should never, EVER be made to justify that lazy and careless of a check.and didnt Darius Kasparitis play for the Pens, Isles and Rangers.....funny you should mention lazy...he made a living taking guys out with what you probably thought at the time was a perfect "Denny Potvin" hip check. |
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Post by EWA Beach PGH Fan on Feb 19, 2015 9:30:01 GMT -5
Talk about lazy. You couldn't even do your homework and pick a current Pens' 4th liner as an example. (And NO, I'm not doing your homework for you and telling you one.) This isn't making your point at all since you picked a player that has been out of the NHL for a while. If he somehow got on the ice and got injured by a current player on a lazily thrown hip check, there would be all kinds of hell to pay for all involved. YES!!! I said lazily thrown. Whether Seguin had his head down or not is not relavent. The lazy hip check caused the injury and the player being that careless with other players' safety deserved to be suspended no matter who he hurt with his poor check or his prior history. The NHL got this right and should be applouded for it and excuses should never, EVER be made to justify that lazy and careless of a check. I quit reading when you mentioned Pens. I dont know why your bringing them into this conversation other than for selfish needs. If your referring to laziness and Tanner Glass -- New York Rangers 4th line winger on every last quarter of the moon; otherwise 1 mil+ healthy scratch most nights. Look it up! I already said I wasn't doing your homework for you! PLEASE don't ask again!!!!!!! |
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Post by tigertowner 68 on Feb 19, 2015 11:17:47 GMT -5
what the fuck does that mean? Lazy? If your talking about Tyler admiring his pass and losing track of the defenseman lining him up in the cross hairs? yep More than a couple of observations (McKenzie; Hradek to name a few) called it a lazy attempt to defend. Out of position and took a "lazy" approach to defending. As as far as Seguin admiring his pass... I'll respectfully just disagree. It was still a cheap hit. And - I still agree that if it had been Colton Sceviour instead of Tyler Seguin, Kulikov might have not even been suspended. That's a bigger issue and you and I both know that. Maybe Seguin does not keep his head up and is enamored with himself during the course of a season. I don't know, I don't get to see many Stars' games. But what I saw more closely aligns with your view of it Otis, and not nyr. Still nyr may have valid points regarding Tyler's overall style of play. But if anyone on here would be qualified to comment, it would be you Otis, i.m.o. You see a lot more of him than either of us. |
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Post by NYR on Feb 19, 2015 13:11:38 GMT -5
More than a couple of observations (McKenzie; Hradek to name a few) called it a lazy attempt to defend. Out of position and took a "lazy" approach to defending. As as far as Seguin admiring his pass... I'll respectfully just disagree. It was still a cheap hit. And - I still agree that if it had been Colton Sceviour instead of Tyler Seguin, Kulikov might have not even been suspended. That's a bigger issue and you and I both know that. Maybe Seguin does not keep his head up and is enamored with himself during the course of a season. I don't know, I don't get to see many Stars' games. But what I saw more closely aligns with your view of it Otis, and not nyr. Still nyr may have valid points regarding Tyler's overall style of play. But if anyone on here would be qualified to comment, it would be you Otis, i.m.o. You see a lot more of him than either of us. Trust me, I like TS and I am not endorsing him getting injured badly. I am just not jumping on the NHLN, NBCSN, and other bobbleheads bandwagon of it being such a "vicious cheap" shot. Secondly, I offered a point up that if it was a 4th line schlum such as Tanner Glass of the NYR (and most times press box watcher) would Kulikov received the same punishment. I got to watch Seguin alot in Boston, I love his style of play, but he has a bit of Lindros in him where he skates around with his head down. I like what he brings to the Stars and have said many times in the past, just not here, that I want to see the Stars come back into being one of the top teams. Point being, I think Kulikov is doing what he was taught, trying to separate man from puck, and in the process threw a bad hip check. Bad being used in the present day tense, not the Kasparitis knee blowing hip checks of past bad tense. I dont know what to think, but I think you should be careful what you wish for. In the near future, we could be watching NHL hockey with superstars skating around with their heads down because in the Neo-Euro NHL league they are too valuable to touch or hit. Contact hockey could be gone. If he has his head on straight, Tyler should be thinking about keeping his head up from this point forward regardless of whether he, the league or us feel the hip check was right or wrong. |
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Post by tigertowner 68 on Feb 19, 2015 14:29:30 GMT -5
Maybe Seguin does not keep his head up and is enamored with himself during the course of a season. I don't know, I don't get to see many Stars' games. But what I saw more closely aligns with your view of it Otis, and not nyr. Still nyr may have valid points regarding Tyler's overall style of play. But if anyone on here would be qualified to comment, it would be you Otis, i.m.o. You see a lot more of him than either of us. Trust me, I like TS and I am not endorsing him getting injured badly. I am just not jumping on the NHLN, NBCSN, and other bobbleheads bandwagon of it being such a "vicious cheap" shot. Secondly, I offered a point up that if it was a 4th line schlum such as Tanner Glass of the NYR (and most times press box watcher) would Kulikov received the same punishment. I got to watch Seguin alot in Boston, I love his style of play, but he has a bit of Lindros in him where he skates around with his head down. I like what he brings to the Stars and have said many times in the past, just not here, that I want to see the Stars come back into being one of the top teams. Point being, I think Kulikov is doing what he was taught, trying to separate man from puck, and in the process threw a bad hip check. Bad being used in the present day tense, not the Kasparitis knee blowing hip checks of past bad tense. I dont know what to think, but I think you should be careful what you wish for. In the near future, we could be watching NHL hockey with superstars skating around with their heads down because in the Neo-Euro NHL league they are too valuable to touch or hit. Contact hockey could be gone. If he has his head on straight, Tyler should be thinking about keeping his head up from this point forward regardless of whether he, the league or us feel the hip check was right or wrong. Makes a lot of sense. |
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Post by Swamp Dragon on Feb 23, 2015 0:58:51 GMT -5
One tab of Pepcid Complete - or the Walmart equivalent of it > 10 rolls of Tums Just saying. Agreed , although if it is a beer and wings night at the "local" i pop a zantac for the same free ticket to mess with my guts You might need to pop one when you see the standings |
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Post by Otis B. Driftwood on Feb 23, 2015 8:17:38 GMT -5
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Post by NYR on Feb 23, 2015 10:50:10 GMT -5
2014/15 Stars Holy goaltending...... We are not much better, blow a 3 goal lead to "Lumbus last night. Right now, our defense just plain SUCKS! |
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Post by Otis B. Driftwood on Feb 23, 2015 12:10:34 GMT -5
2014/15 Stars Holy goaltending...... We are not much better, blow a 3 goal lead to "Lumbus last night. Right now, our defense just plain SUCKS! Yeah... I can sympathize. Poor Jokipakka looks so damn outclassed right now it ain't funny. Problem after last night - they all looked outclassed. 6 goals in the third... what a nut punch. Nill and Ruff will have a clear indication of who can contribute... and who can't. And - they still have the millstone that is Kari @ $6M a season for the next three. |
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Post by burghfan on Feb 23, 2015 13:12:15 GMT -5
Talk about lazy. You couldn't even do your homework and pick a current Pens' 4th liner as an example. (And NO, I'm not doing your homework for you and telling you one.) This isn't making your point at all since you picked a player that has been out of the NHL for a while. If he somehow got on the ice and got injured by a current player on a lazily thrown hip check, there would be all kinds of hell to pay for all involved. YES!!! I said lazily thrown. Whether Seguin had his head down or not is not relavent. The lazy hip check caused the injury and the player being that careless with other players' safety deserved to be suspended no matter who he hurt with his poor check or his prior history. The NHL got this right and should be applouded for it and excuses should never, EVER be made to justify that lazy and careless of a check.and didnt Darius Kasparitis play for the Pens, Isles and Rangers.....funny you should mention lazy...he made a living taking guys out with what you probably thought at the time was a perfect "Denny Potvin" hip check. Rules changed from back then. What was a legal (although dangerous) hip check back then is illegal now, and rightfully so. By the way Tanner Glass used to play for Pittsburgh. It all makes sense now doesn't it. |
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Post by NYR on Feb 23, 2015 13:21:38 GMT -5
and didnt Darius Kasparitis play for the Pens, Isles and Rangers.....funny you should mention lazy...he made a living taking guys out with what you probably thought at the time was a perfect "Denny Potvin" hip check. Rules changed from back then. What was a legal (although dangerous) hip check back then is illegal now, and rightfully so. By the way Tanner Glass used to play for Pittsburgh. It all makes sense now doesn't it. Thanks I know who Tanner Glass played for previously. You can have him back. |
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Post by EWA Beach PGH Fan on Feb 23, 2015 14:05:42 GMT -5
Thanks I know who Tanner Glass played for previously. You can have him back. Only if you pay all of his salary. Since he's a healthy scratch all the time it won't make any diference to the Rangers if he's on the roster or not. On second thought, No thanks!!! |
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Post by tnerb57 on Feb 23, 2015 14:09:19 GMT -5
I got a question for all the Canuckians here: Howz come you fellers never discuss the CFL? Is it because it would be lost on us ignorant southerners? Or is it ignored up there as effectively as down here?
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Post by EWA Beach PGH Fan on Feb 23, 2015 14:11:54 GMT -5
and didnt Darius Kasparitis play for the Pens, Isles and Rangers.....funny you should mention lazy...he made a living taking guys out with what you probably thought at the time was a perfect "Denny Potvin" hip check. Rules changed from back then. What was a legal (although dangerous) hip check back then is illegal now, and rightfully so. By the way Tanner Glass used to play for Pittsburgh. It all makes sense now doesn't it. Hey Burghfan! I knew who Tanner Glass is, I just refused to give nyr the satisfaction. Sorry, natural reaction to any ny fan!!! (I'm NOT SORRY!!!!!!!!) |
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Post by NYR on Feb 23, 2015 14:24:19 GMT -5
Hey Burghfan! I knew who Tanne Glass is, I just refused to give nyr the satisfaction. Sorry, natural reaction to any ny fan!!! (I'm NOT SORRY!!!!!!!!) so smart, you |
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