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Post by Wayne Rooney on Sept 8, 2014 15:57:27 GMT -5
AL MVP:
1) Mike Trout
2) Alex Gordon
3) Jose Abreu
NL MVP:
1) Giancarlo Stanton
2) Clayton Kershaw
3) Buster Posey
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Post by BHR on Sept 8, 2014 16:01:24 GMT -5
AL MVP: 1) Mike Trout 2) Alex Gordon 3) Jose Abreu NL MVP: 1) Giancarlo Stanton 2) Clayton Kershaw 3) Buster Posey Altuvue for 3rd instead of Fat Abreu |
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Post by Wayne Rooney on Sept 8, 2014 16:02:33 GMT -5
AL Cy:
1) Felix Hernandez
2) Corey Kluber
3) Chris Sale
NL Cy:
1) Clayton Kershaw
2) Johnny Cueto
3) Adam Wainwright
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Post by Chappion on Sept 8, 2014 16:04:53 GMT -5
AL MVP: 1) Mike Trout 2) Alex Gordon 3) Jose Abreu NL MVP: 1) Giancarlo Stanton 2) Clayton Kershaw 3) Buster Posey You forgot to list Vic Martinez. He's 2nd in the AL. |
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Post by Wayne Rooney on Sept 8, 2014 16:05:12 GMT -5
AL MVP: 1) Mike Trout 2) Alex Gordon 3) Jose Abreu NL MVP: 1) Giancarlo Stanton 2) Clayton Kershaw 3) Buster Posey Altuvue for 3rd instead of Fat Abreu Nah. Abreu has had a much better offensive season and they both suck defensively. Kyle Seager and Josh Donaldson have a better argument than Altuve. |
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Post by Wayne Rooney on Sept 8, 2014 16:07:14 GMT -5
AL MVP: 1) Mike Trout 2) Alex Gordon 3) Jose Abreu NL MVP: 1) Giancarlo Stanton 2) Clayton Kershaw 3) Buster Posey You forgot to list Vic Martinez. He's 2nd in the AL. Indeed. But since his team is going straight to the crapper, I doubt he gets much love. |
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Post by Chappion on Sept 8, 2014 16:08:48 GMT -5
Altuvue for 3rd instead of Fat Abreu Nah. Abreu has had a much better offensive season and they both suck defensively. Kyle Seager and Josh Donaldson have a better argument than Altuve. Altuve having a monster year. He's a victim of being on a shit team. |
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Post by Wayne Rooney on Sept 8, 2014 16:11:24 GMT -5
Nah. Abreu has had a much better offensive season and they both suck defensively. Kyle Seager and Josh Donaldson have a better argument than Altuve. Altuve having a monster year. He's a victim of being on a shit team. Yeah he is, but Abreu has a MLB leading 168 wRC+ Altuve is at 134. Plus like I said, they're both worthless defensively so Abreu gets the nod. Altuve should be in the top 10 or so though. |
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Post by Mr mastodon farm on Sept 8, 2014 16:18:55 GMT -5
AL MVP: 1) Mike Trout 2) Alex Gordon 3) Jose Abreu NL MVP: 1) Giancarlo Stanton 2) Clayton Kershaw 3) Buster Posey VMart > Trout you could argue, but you'd be wrong compare the numbers, then rewind yourself |
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Post by Wayne Rooney on Sept 8, 2014 16:21:27 GMT -5
AL MVP: 1) Mike Trout 2) Alex Gordon 3) Jose Abreu NL MVP: 1) Giancarlo Stanton 2) Clayton Kershaw 3) Buster Posey VMart > Trout you could argue, but you'd be wrong compare the numbers, then rewind yourself Wrong. V-Mart 166 wRC+, 36.0 off WAR, -17.3 def WAR, 4.1 overall WAR Trout 163 wRC+, 45.7 off WAR, -5.4 def WAR, 6.6 overall WAR |
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Post by mrpickles on Sept 8, 2014 16:29:25 GMT -5
What the hell is wRC ??
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Post by Wayne Rooney on Sept 8, 2014 16:31:55 GMT -5
Similar to OPS+, Weighted Runs Created Plus (wRC+) measures how a player’s wRC compares with league average after controlling for park effects. League average for position players is 100, and every point above 100 is a percentage point above league average. For example, a 125 wRC+ means a player created 25% more runs than a league average hitter would have in the same number of plate appearances. Similarly, every point below 100 is a percentage point below league average, so a 80 wRC+ means a player created 20% fewer runs than league average.
wRC+ is park and league-adjusted, allowing one to to compare players who played in different years, parks, and leagues. Want to know how Ted Williams compares with Albert Pujols in terms of offensive abilities? This is your statistic. wRC+ is the most comprehensive rate statistic used to measure hitting performance because it takes into account the varying weights of each offensive action and then adjusts them for the park and league context in which they took place.
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Post by Super Paul Mullin on Sept 8, 2014 16:38:05 GMT -5
Dustin Pedroia WAR > any of the Yankees WAR
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Post by Wayne Rooney on Sept 8, 2014 16:39:25 GMT -5
Dustin Pedroia WAR > any of the Yankees WAR This is true. It's all defense though. |
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Post by Mr mastodon farm on Sept 8, 2014 16:39:35 GMT -5
VMart > Trout you could argue, but you'd be wrong compare the numbers, then rewind yourself Wrong. V-Mart 166 wRC+, 36.0 off WAR, -17.3 def WAR, 4.1 overall WAR Trout 163 wRC+, 45.7 off WAR, -5.4 def WAR, 6.6 overall WAR in your own words, explain wRC+, statboy |
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Post by Mr mastodon farm on Sept 8, 2014 16:39:51 GMT -5
he'll copy and paste it in a minute |
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Post by Wayne Rooney on Sept 8, 2014 16:42:33 GMT -5
Wrong. V-Mart 166 wRC+, 36.0 off WAR, -17.3 def WAR, 4.1 overall WAR Trout 163 wRC+, 45.7 off WAR, -5.4 def WAR, 6.6 overall WAR in your own words, explain wRC+, statboy In my own words? It's a blend of all offensive actions formulated to estimate the amount of runs these actions created, adjusted for league and park. |
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Post by Zig on Sept 8, 2014 16:48:38 GMT -5
Similar to OPS+, Weighted Runs Created Plus (wRC+) measures how a player’s wRC compares with league average after controlling for park effects. League average for position players is 100, and every point above 100 is a percentage point above league average. For example, a 125 wRC+ means a player created 25% more runs than a league average hitter would have in the same number of plate appearances. Similarly, every point below 100 is a percentage point below league average, so a 80 wRC+ means a player created 20% fewer runs than league average.
wRC+ is park and league-adjusted, allowing one to to compare players who played in different years, parks, and leagues. Want to know how Ted Williams compares with Albert Pujols in terms of offensive abilities? This is your statistic. wRC+ is the most comprehensive rate statistic used to measure hitting performance because it takes into account the varying weights of each offensive action and then adjusts them for the park and league context in which they took place. I'm killing you. But unfortunately I could only afford a whiffle bat, so it's going to take a while |
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Post by Mr mastodon farm on Sept 8, 2014 16:49:30 GMT -5
So, VMart is having a better season than Trout
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Post by Wayne Rooney on Sept 8, 2014 16:50:52 GMT -5
So, VMart is having a better season than Trout No. Welcome to 21st century baseball gramps |
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Post by OXlodge on Sept 8, 2014 16:54:32 GMT -5
They'll never give an MVP to a DH. 2006 David Ortiz says hello.
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Post by OXlodge on Sept 8, 2014 16:55:39 GMT -5
Don't even argue, you'll be very wrong.
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Post by Wayne Rooney on Sept 8, 2014 16:57:17 GMT -5
They'll never give an MVP to a DH. 2006 David Ortiz says hello. Particularly one on a fading, disappointing squad. V-Mart maybe gets top 5. |
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Post by OXlodge on Sept 8, 2014 17:01:40 GMT -5
They'll never give an MVP to a DH. 2006 David Ortiz says hello. Particularly one on a fading, disappointing squad. V-Mart maybe gets top 5. Of course he will, as he should be, he just wont win. You at least have to establish some semblance of an all around baseball player. Not the guy with 3.1 ABs who's a fucking cheer leader when 8 other guys are playing defense (minus the pitcher). I was so happy Morneau won it that year, no one knew who he was. |
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Post by OXlodge on Sept 8, 2014 17:03:32 GMT -5
Speaking of Altuve, where did Freddy Sanchez finish in the MVP in 06? Since I'm talking about Morneau.
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Post by Mr mastodon farm on Sept 8, 2014 17:06:13 GMT -5
They'll never give an MVP to a DH. 2006 David Ortiz says hello. Particularly one on a fading, disappointing squad. V-Mart maybe gets top 5. played 29 games at 1b ortiz hasnt played that many since 2004 |
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Post by Wayne Rooney on Sept 8, 2014 17:06:45 GMT -5
Particularly one on a fading, disappointing squad. V-Mart maybe gets top 5. Of course he will, as he should be, he just wont win. You at least have to establish some semblance of an all around baseball player. Not the guy with 3.1 ABs who's a fucking cheer leader when 8 other guys are playing defense (minus the pitcher). I was so happy Morneau won it that year, no one knew who he was. He might finish top 5, I don't think it's a lock though, especially if the Tigers miss the playoffs. Abreu, Trout, and Micheal Brantley have all had better overall offensive seasons, and like you said, he's half a baseball player. And yeah, Morneau deserved it. A DH should never win unless he just blows the rest of the competition away, and his team makes the postseason. |
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Post by mccombe35 on Sept 8, 2014 17:07:40 GMT -5
Of course he will, as he should be, he just wont win. You at least have to establish some semblance of an all around baseball player. Not the guy with 3.1 ABs who's a fucking cheer leader when 8 other guys are playing defense (minus the pitcher). I was so happy Morneau won it that year, no one knew who he was. He might finish top 5, I don't think it's a lock though, especially if the Tigers miss the playoffs. Abreu, Trout, and Micheal Brantley have all had better overall offensive seasons, and like you said, he's half a baseball player. And yeah, Morneau deserved it. A DH should never win unless he just blows the rest of the competition away, and his team makes the postseason. Frank Thomas should have won 7 MVPs |
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Post by mccombe35 on Sept 8, 2014 17:07:55 GMT -5
maybe 8 or 9....
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Post by Wayne Rooney on Sept 8, 2014 17:08:23 GMT -5
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