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Post by Just Another Shem on Sept 15, 2014 13:32:43 GMT -5
Nope! Sign Dirt up for 3rd and 4th in the AL East with a loss in the ALDS sprinkled in. Pride of the pinstripes and shit! Sign me up for a summer of meaningless baseball, with hope and stuff Not a gutless organization that quits in June "Championships are bad" |
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Post by lemiwinks on Sept 15, 2014 13:32:44 GMT -5
The Yankees season was over a month ago. You just failed to accept it. [br No It really wasn't It was once they made it clear that the going away parade was more important to them than trying to get into the playoffs. |
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Post by NEW YORK on Sept 15, 2014 13:32:59 GMT -5
Lol Hilarious "Watch out for those last place Red Sox next season" I didn't say that, did I? Not today But yes |
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Post by redsoxworrld on Sept 15, 2014 13:33:29 GMT -5
world series winner = 80% big name free agents + 19% homegrown + 1% guys stepping up for injured players. or 80% homegrown + 19% big name free agents + 1% guys stepping up for injured players. there's no real set equation. it's dumb to argue otherwise. Eggzactly does it really matter what the formula to win ends up being? just win, baby! other than yankee fans, maybe card fans........most every other fanbase would take two last place finishes with a title in the middle |
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Post by NEW YORK on Sept 15, 2014 13:33:40 GMT -5
It was once they made it clear that the going away parade was more important to them than trying to get into the playoffs. I won't argue that I don't appreciate how they handled the Jeter thing |
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Post by Just Another Shem on Sept 15, 2014 13:34:12 GMT -5
FAs are important.....but almost never is it built just around FAs...its almost always a good core of young players, FAs fill in the holes The Cardinals are the only team I could think of successful with that approach Oakland Tampa Boston |
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Post by lemiwinks on Sept 15, 2014 13:34:57 GMT -5
world series winner = 80% big name free agents + 19% homegrown + 1% guys stepping up for injured players. or 80% homegrown + 19% big name free agents + 1% guys stepping up for injured players. there's no real set equation. it's dumb to argue otherwise. Eggzactly Ive never seen anyone do it COMPLETELY with free agents.... which is what the Yanks are trying to do........or now HAVE to do, because they dont really have any prospects coming up that will help. |
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Post by Wayne Rooney on Sept 15, 2014 13:36:15 GMT -5
does it really matter what the formula to win ends up being? just win, baby! other than yankee fans, maybe card fans........most every other fanbase would take two last place finishes with a title in the middle No. But it is more satisfying if it's done with a group of players who have gone through your system, you watched go through the growing pains, and then eventually blossomed into a winner. Wouldn't you agree? |
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Post by Chappion on Sept 15, 2014 13:37:57 GMT -5
I didn't say that, did I? Not today But yes The Red Sox have a ton of flexibility. I'm not expecting another miracle next year, though. I certainly expect them to improve, however. The Yankees are locked into a ton of bad deals. They don't have much flexibility. The core of that team for 2015 is in place and it stinks. |
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Post by NEW YORK on Sept 15, 2014 13:38:51 GMT -5
The Cardinals are the only team I could think of successful with that approach Oakland Tampa Boston 2 teams without a WS and Boston wins cause of what they spend Good points |
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Post by redsoxworrld on Sept 15, 2014 13:39:25 GMT -5
does it really matter what the formula to win ends up being? just win, baby! other than yankee fans, maybe card fans........most every other fanbase would take two last place finishes with a title in the middle No. But it is more satisfying if it's done with a group of players who have gone through your system, you watched go through the growing pains, and then eventually blossomed into a winner. Wouldn't you agree? definitely but in my case, 2004 was more enjoyable, for obvious reasons, with 2007 having more to do with home grown guys, like pedroia, ellsbury, Lester, Youk, and Papelbon being as key to that title run as Manny, Ortiz and Schilling in both 04 and 07 yanks core four were obviously the key to their run, but they had a lot of FA signings that were huge too Oakland would be a great example of winning with their own if they ever win (but even they are signing free agents now more often) |
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Post by Wayne Rooney on Sept 15, 2014 13:40:46 GMT -5
2 teams without a WS and Boston wins cause of what they spend Good points Oakland did it with a largely homegrown lineup in the late 80's. Pitching staff not so much. Tampa you're correct. Boston lol |
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Post by NEW YORK on Sept 15, 2014 13:41:31 GMT -5
The Red Sox have a ton of flexibility. I'm not expecting another miracle next year, though. I certainly expect them to improve, however. The Yankees are locked into a ton of bad deals. They don't have much flexibility. The core of that team for 2015 is in place and it stinks. Lol No financial flexibility You guys never learn |
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Post by redsoxworrld on Sept 15, 2014 13:42:55 GMT -5
2 teams without a WS and Boston wins cause of what they spend Good points Oakland did it with a largely homegrown lineup in the late 80's. Pitching staff not so much. Tampa you're correct. Boston lol 2007 team had a shitload of home grown guys that were key to that run and the year leading up to it 2004.......not so |
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Post by OXlodge on Sept 15, 2014 13:44:04 GMT -5
The Red Sox have a ton of flexibility. I'm not expecting another miracle next year, though. I certainly expect them to improve, however. The Yankees are locked into a ton of bad deals. They don't have much flexibility. The core of that team for 2015 is in place and it stinks. Lol No financial flexibility You guys never learn They still bought into the luxury tax thing. LOL clueless morons. Who was the one guy saying "The Yankees will spend and spend and spend". This fucking guy right here. "but but but, the luxury tax". Best troll job by the Yankee front office. They're payroll will be 250 million next year. The Dodgers will be at 476 million. "Yankees are bad" |
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Post by Wayne Rooney on Sept 15, 2014 13:46:01 GMT -5
No. But it is more satisfying if it's done with a group of players who have gone through your system, you watched go through the growing pains, and then eventually blossomed into a winner. Wouldn't you agree? definitely but in my case, 2004 was more enjoyable, for obvious reasons, with 2007 having more to do with home grown guys, like pedroia, ellsbury, Lester, Youk, and Papelbon being as key to that title run as Manny, Ortiz and Schilling in both 04 and 07 yanks core four were obviously the key to their run, but they had a lot of FA signings that were huge too Oakland would be a great example of winning with their own if they ever win (but even they are signing free agents now more often) You obviously need both. But as a fan, I'll always prefer a mostly homegrown roster to a group of mercenaries. But I'll take either at this point. |
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Post by NEW YORK on Sept 15, 2014 13:46:12 GMT -5
Lol No financial flexibility You guys never learn They still bought into the luxury tax thing. LOL clueless morons. Who was the one guy saying "The Yankees will spend and spend and spend". This fucking guy right here. "but but but, the luxury tax". Best troll job by the Yankee front office. They're payroll will be 250 million next year. The Dodgers will be at 476 million. "Yankees are bad" Word You definitely called that Even I was skeptical |
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Post by redsoxworrld on Sept 15, 2014 13:47:02 GMT -5
definitely but in my case, 2004 was more enjoyable, for obvious reasons, with 2007 having more to do with home grown guys, like pedroia, ellsbury, Lester, Youk, and Papelbon being as key to that title run as Manny, Ortiz and Schilling in both 04 and 07 yanks core four were obviously the key to their run, but they had a lot of FA signings that were huge too Oakland would be a great example of winning with their own if they ever win (but even they are signing free agents now more often) You obviously need both. But as a fan, I'll always prefer a mostly homegrown roster to a group of mercenaries. But I'll take either at this point. well yeah, but those days are long gone, no? oakland isn't even that anymore, neither is Tampa |
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Post by Chappion on Sept 15, 2014 13:47:15 GMT -5
The Red Sox have a ton of flexibility. I'm not expecting another miracle next year, though. I certainly expect them to improve, however. The Yankees are locked into a ton of bad deals. They don't have much flexibility. The core of that team for 2015 is in place and it stinks. Lol No financial flexibility You guys never learn $170m on the books for 9 guys. The most they've ever spent is $228m. Hank doesn't like to spend the way his old man did. |
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Post by NEW YORK on Sept 15, 2014 13:48:36 GMT -5
definitely but in my case, 2004 was more enjoyable, for obvious reasons, with 2007 having more to do with home grown guys, like pedroia, ellsbury, Lester, Youk, and Papelbon being as key to that title run as Manny, Ortiz and Schilling in both 04 and 07 yanks core four were obviously the key to their run, but they had a lot of FA signings that were huge too Oakland would be a great example of winning with their own if they ever win (but even they are signing free agents now more often) You obviously need both. But as a fan, I'll always prefer a mostly homegrown roster to a group of mercenaries. But I'll take either at this point. I would too That's just not the nature of the beast here And as a fan, I have to appreciate they handle their business the way they do |
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Post by OXlodge on Sept 15, 2014 13:49:09 GMT -5
They still bought into the luxury tax thing. LOL clueless morons. Who was the one guy saying "The Yankees will spend and spend and spend". This fucking guy right here. "but but but, the luxury tax". Best troll job by the Yankee front office. They're payroll will be 250 million next year. The Dodgers will be at 476 million. "Yankees are bad" Word You definitely called that Even I was skeptical I never care about what teams spend. Never been my argument. Don't care what they spend and on who. But all that time they throwing the luxury tax thing around, I was laughing at everyone who bought into it. Clueless, it was actually a brilliant move by them lying to everyone. "Ho hum, we have a budget". |
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Post by NEW YORK on Sept 15, 2014 13:50:33 GMT -5
Word You definitely called that Even I was skeptical I never care about what teams spend. Never been my argument. Don't care what they spend and on who. But all that time they throwing the luxury tax thing around, I was laughing at everyone who bought into it. Clueless, it was actually a brilliant move by them lying to everyone. "Ho hum, we have a budget". I bought into it only because I thought Hal was really not his dad and was a bit of a jhoo I was wrong, he is George, minus the firings |
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Post by Wayne Rooney on Sept 15, 2014 13:52:58 GMT -5
You obviously need both. But as a fan, I'll always prefer a mostly homegrown roster to a group of mercenaries. But I'll take either at this point. well yeah, but those days are long gone, no? oakland isn't even that anymore, neither is Tampa Reds line up when all are healthy is Votto (homegrown) Phillips (only played handful of games in Cleveland) Cozart (homegrown) Frazier (homegrown) Ludwick (mercenary) Hamilton (homegrown) Bruce (homegrown) Mesoraco (homegrown) Starting staff is Cueto (homegrown) Latos (traded mostly homegrown talent to get) Bailey (homegrown) Leake (homegrown) Cingrani (homegrown) Closer is Chapman (homegrown) Granted they suck this year, but they've won 2 divisions and a WC berth with a lot of that same homegrown talent. |
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Post by mrpickles on Sept 15, 2014 13:54:32 GMT -5
dear lord, homegrown talent argument again .... awesome
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Post by redsoxworrld on Sept 15, 2014 13:55:26 GMT -5
dear lord, homegrown talent argument again .... awesome reminds you of Dom Brown......doesnt it sorry |
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Post by Wayne Rooney on Sept 15, 2014 13:55:46 GMT -5
You obviously need both. But as a fan, I'll always prefer a mostly homegrown roster to a group of mercenaries. But I'll take either at this point. I would too That's just not the nature of the beast here And as a fan, I have to appreciate they handle their business the way they do Yep. They have that ability. Just like United have that ability. Nothing wrong with spending the money you earn to put out a better product that your consumers demand. |
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Post by mrpickles on Sept 15, 2014 13:56:15 GMT -5
dear lord, homegrown talent argument again .... awesome reminds you of Dom Brown......doesnt it sorry Phils had plenty of homegrown talent during their reign .... just really never understood why it mattered |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2014 13:58:05 GMT -5
2 teams without a WS and Boston wins cause of what they spend Good points Oakland did it with a largely homegrown lineup in the late 80's. Pitching staff not so much. Tampa you're correct. Boston lol its not homegrown. Its youth. Youth just happens to be homegrown most the time.... |
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Post by OXlodge on Sept 15, 2014 13:59:59 GMT -5
The homegrown argument is nothing more than insecure fans clinging to something to feel good about themselves. Its just like payroll. Its pretty fucking pathetic really. That's like something you do when you're a teenager playing with your friends Saturday afternoon.
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Post by Royale McRoyals on Sept 24, 2014 15:11:48 GMT -5
See, THIS is why Girardi couldn't put Jeter at DH all season: 0-4 with a K.
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