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Post by summersausage on Aug 5, 2014 12:21:15 GMT -5
Currreal,
Justin Masterson was kind enough to let the Indians know he had no intentions of resigning here. The Indians were kind enough to remind him that he was 4-6 with a 5.5 ERA and currently on the DL.
I liked Masterson an wish him well in StL, but the trade made sense for both sides.
Anytime you want to discuss the Wigwamers just let me know.
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Post by Wayne Rooney on Aug 5, 2014 12:21:40 GMT -5
Thats the part we all gloss over He is an absolutely awful defensive player Basically, this guy as a package is in any conversation for worst everday player in baseball He should be thankful for guys like Jackie Bradley No doubt about it. Bogearts doesn't belong in MLB right now. And he well be the worst everyday player going this season. His atrocious offense is better than Zack Cozart, who is probably the worst everyday offensive player in baseball, but Cozart's WAR is higher overall because he's fantastic defensively...16.7 WAR. And last I checked, defense is a pretty important component for a middle infielder. |
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Post by NEW YORK on Aug 5, 2014 12:21:44 GMT -5
Indians and Rays traded away starters and are still battling their balls off, Indians one of the hottest teams going We call them the Anti-Sox Why cant you just embrace what is painfully obvious, instead of defending quitting? rays have the same record since the deadline as the Sox. "Battling their balls off". And if trading away Price, who was still under control next year, getting a weak return for him, isn't quitting, I don't know what is. But since it wasn't the Red Sox doing it, we'll pretend like it didn't happen. Sure, and Ill pretend the Sox and Rays work in the same financial stratosphere, and the Sox trading Lester falls in the same line of reasoning of why the Rays had to dump Price Although I do agree that the return on Price was dissapointing |
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Post by NEW YORK on Aug 5, 2014 12:22:34 GMT -5
Currreal, Justin Masterson was kind enough to let the Indians know he had no intentions of resigning here. The Indians were kind enough to remind him that he was 4-6 with a 5.5 ERA and currently on the DL. I liked Masterson an wish him well in StL, but the trade made sense for both sides. Anytime you want to discuss the Wigwamers just let me know. I was gonna toss in the fact that Masterson is awful |
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Post by Super Paul Mullin on Aug 5, 2014 12:23:30 GMT -5
Currreal, Justin Masterson was kind enough to let the Indians know he had no intentions of resigning here. The Indians were kind enough to remind him that he was 4-6 with a 5.5 ERA and currently on the DL. I liked Masterson an wish him well in StL, but the trade made sense for both sides. Anytime you want to discuss the Wigwamers just let me know. Who did they get back again? I like Masterson - little concerned about the consistency from year to year though. |
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Post by OXlodge on Aug 5, 2014 12:24:11 GMT -5
Yeah but Masterson's 5+ ERA had to do with him not getting run support.
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Post by Just Another Shem on Aug 5, 2014 12:24:45 GMT -5
Here's what I know... The Yankees have no shot this year... None... And next year already looks pretty fucking bleak too... If we are being honest with ourselves, the Yankees are in desperate need of a retooling.... And that could have started now in what turned out to be a sellers market at the trading deadline... Well, for everyone but Tampa... If you're happy with a .500 record because it allows you to tell yourself "we didnt quit!" Well, good for you... You didn't do the 2015 Yankees any favors either... That's quite a lot of wishful thinking for a Tuesday Lets play a game called "guess how many extra base hits he Yankees #3 hitter, Ellsbury, has on the entire season...." |
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Post by Wayne Rooney on Aug 5, 2014 12:25:08 GMT -5
And Dirt, Bradley can't hit for shit, but he is the best defensive CFer in all of baseball this season.
That alone means he belongs.
Bogearts however does not. After a hot start at the plate, he's been gross.
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Post by Super Paul Mullin on Aug 5, 2014 12:25:14 GMT -5
rays have the same record since the deadline as the Sox. "Battling their balls off". And if trading away Price, who was still under control next year, getting a weak return for him, isn't quitting, I don't know what is. But since it wasn't the Red Sox doing it, we'll pretend like it didn't happen. Sure, and Ill pretend the Sox and Rays work in the same financial stratosphere, and the Sox trading Lester falls in the same line of reasoning of why the Rays had to dump Price Although I do agree that the return on Price was dissapointing LOL - "Rays had to dump Price". Yeah - cuz they couldn't have gotten a similar return during the off season. Wow - you've become a Rays apologist to spite the Sox. |
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Post by Just Another Shem on Aug 5, 2014 12:26:25 GMT -5
The Yankees stink....you know it as well as the rest of the non-Dirts do.... "Quitting is the new cool, because we do it in Boston" Quit their way to a parade a year ago... |
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Post by NEW YORK on Aug 5, 2014 12:26:25 GMT -5
Ox is right
This is really a new low
We have resorted here to defending a team that may have defended their title in the most embrassing fashion in the history of baseball, thats like 3 million years of history
And criticizing a team that has somehow scotch taped a roster together as the season has gone on, and sit one half game from a playoff spot
Glorious
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Post by NEW YORK on Aug 5, 2014 12:27:45 GMT -5
And Dirt, Bradley can't hit for shit, but he is the best defensive CFer in all of baseball this season. That alone means he belongs. Bogearts however does not. After a hot start at the plate, he's been gross. I agree, hes a fantastic defender Im just not completely sold on the theory of a guy being in a starting lineup when he is such a complete offensive liability Ill sign up for the above average defender who isnt a complete black hole with the bat |
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Post by BUCCS469 on Aug 5, 2014 12:27:56 GMT -5
That's quite a lot of wishful thinking for a Tuesday Lets play a game called "guess how many extra base hits he Yankees #3 hitter, Ellsbury, has on the entire season...." lets play a game called which team has more vicotries this season.... |
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Post by Just Another Shem on Aug 5, 2014 12:28:12 GMT -5
Thats the part we all gloss over He is an absolutely awful defensive player Basically, this guy as a package is in any conversation for worst everday player in baseball He should be thankful for guys like Jackie Bradley He had a bad April... He has looked good defensively since he moved back to ss... |
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Post by MoonDriven on Aug 5, 2014 12:28:18 GMT -5
That's quite a lot of wishful thinking for a Tuesday Lets play a game called "guess how many extra base hits he Yankees #3 hitter, Ellsbury, has on the entire season...." Soooo the Yankees suck this year and will for the next 85 years because Ellsbury doesn't have enough XBH? |
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Post by NEW YORK on Aug 5, 2014 12:28:32 GMT -5
Sure, and Ill pretend the Sox and Rays work in the same financial stratosphere, and the Sox trading Lester falls in the same line of reasoning of why the Rays had to dump Price Although I do agree that the return on Price was dissapointing LOL - "Rays had to dump Price". Yeah - cuz they couldn't have gotten a similar return during the off season. Wow - you've become a Rays apologist to spite the Sox. This would be true, if I wasnt the first guy in here to say 'Couldnt they have gotten an equal or better package this offseason' |
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Post by summersausage on Aug 5, 2014 12:28:45 GMT -5
They got back James Ramsey...a young(er) outfielder who allegedly has a little bit of pop, but I'd be lying if I said I knew a damn thing about him.
But you're right, Masterson is as night and day as they come and he wasn't staying here anyway.
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Post by BUCCS469 on Aug 5, 2014 12:29:41 GMT -5
And Dirt, Bradley can't hit for shit, but he is the best defensive CFer in all of baseball this season. That alone means he belongs. Bogearts however does not. After a hot start at the plate, he's been gross. I agree, hes a fantastic defender Im just not completely sold on the theory of a guy being in a starting lineup when he is such a complete offensive liability Ill sign up for the above average defender who isnt a complete black hole with the bat center fielders are usually valuable hitters though.....lead off guys...some have pop.....jbj has absolutle nothing.....he is an awful hitter....its like having a first baseman with rafael belliards bat.....or having travis ishikawa |
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Post by Just Another Shem on Aug 5, 2014 12:29:53 GMT -5
Truth be told? Hey don't have much to trade other than Gardner or a reliever... You might have been able to fetch a B prospect for Beltran if the Yankees paid all of his remaining salary... Now Gardner is a hot commodity I miss the days he was an "Awful 4th OF" He's had a good year.. Yankees should have gotten a return for him before his correction happens in August and September... |
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Post by NEW YORK on Aug 5, 2014 12:30:06 GMT -5
Lets play a game called "guess how many extra base hits he Yankees #3 hitter, Ellsbury, has on the entire season...." Soooo the Yankees suck this year and will for the next 85 years because Ellsbury doesn't have enough XBH? We call this desperation |
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Post by NEW YORK on Aug 5, 2014 12:30:35 GMT -5
Now Gardner is a hot commodity I miss the days he was an "Awful 4th OF" He's had a good year.. Yankees should have gotten a return for him before his correction happens in August and September... Yeah, You never get tired of being wrong |
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Post by Wayne Rooney on Aug 5, 2014 12:30:33 GMT -5
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Post by summersausage on Aug 5, 2014 12:30:51 GMT -5
I agree with Dirt, mostly because I'm blinded by his good looks, and slightly because the notion of giving up a season is ridiculous.
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Post by b1ake on Aug 5, 2014 12:31:31 GMT -5
Lets play a game called "guess how many extra base hits he Yankees #3 hitter, Ellsbury, has on the entire season...." Soooo the Yankees suck this year and will for the next 85 years because Ellsbury doesn't have enough XBH? Yes. |
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Post by Just Another Shem on Aug 5, 2014 12:31:34 GMT -5
rays have the same record since the deadline as the Sox. "Battling their balls off". And if trading away Price, who was still under control next year, getting a weak return for him, isn't quitting, I don't know what is. But since it wasn't the Red Sox doing it, we'll pretend like it didn't happen. Sure, and Ill pretend the Sox and Rays work in the same financial stratosphere, and the Sox trading Lester falls in the same line of reasoning of why the Rays had to dump Price Although I do agree that the return on Price was dissapointing Now Dirt is crying about payroll.... I've officially seen it all.... |
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Post by NEW YORK on Aug 5, 2014 12:31:55 GMT -5
I agree, hes a fantastic defender Im just not completely sold on the theory of a guy being in a starting lineup when he is such a complete offensive liability Ill sign up for the above average defender who isnt a complete black hole with the bat center fielders are usually valuable hitters though.....lead off guys...some have pop.....jbj has absolutle nothing.....he is an awful hitter....its like having a first baseman with rafael belliards bat.....or having travis ishikawa Totally agree........JBJ defines 4th OF, a great defensive replacement When you have guys like him in your lineup, your most likely 15 games out of first place in August 5th |
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Post by NEW YORK on Aug 5, 2014 12:32:51 GMT -5
Sure, and Ill pretend the Sox and Rays work in the same financial stratosphere, and the Sox trading Lester falls in the same line of reasoning of why the Rays had to dump Price Although I do agree that the return on Price was dissapointing Now Dirt is crying about payroll.... I've officially seen it all.... No Im not How desperate are you today? |
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Post by Just Another Shem on Aug 5, 2014 12:33:01 GMT -5
Ox is right This is really a new low We have resorted here to defending a team that may have defended their title in the most embrassing fashion in the history of baseball, thats like 3 million years of history And criticizing a team that has somehow scotch taped a roster together as the season has gone on, and sit one half game from a playoff spot Glorious When the dust settles on this season, the Red Sox will have more wins in August and September than the Yankees will.... |
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Post by Wayne Rooney on Aug 5, 2014 12:33:15 GMT -5
And Dirt, Bradley can't hit for shit, but he is the best defensive CFer in all of baseball this season. That alone means he belongs. Bogearts however does not. After a hot start at the plate, he's been gross. I agree, hes a fantastic defender Im just not completely sold on the theory of a guy being in a starting lineup when he is such a complete offensive liability Ill sign up for the above average defender who isnt a complete black hole with the bat You can have one in a premium defensive position like CF, SS, C, 2B... It just becomes a problem when they're all like that. A better lineup can absorb a nothing hitter like Bradley and be better off because of the plus D in CF. |
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Post by NEW YORK on Aug 5, 2014 12:33:46 GMT -5
Ox is right This is really a new low We have resorted here to defending a team that may have defended their title in the most embrassing fashion in the history of baseball, thats like 3 million years of history And criticizing a team that has somehow scotch taped a roster together as the season has gone on, and sit one half game from a playoff spot Glorious When the dust settles on this season, the Red Sox will have more wins in August and September than the Yankees will.... Great Youre off to a great start |
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