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Post by NEW YORK on Jul 25, 2014 9:54:36 GMT -5
Noted No one pays attention to idiots that truly dont recognize the loss of Ellsbury, for the SOLE reason of where he landed Trust me, they would acknowledge it if he landed in Anaheim Recognizing the loss and overblowing the motherfuck out of it like you are... are two very different things... "Huge Loss" - Me "Not a Blip" - You\ trust me, youre wrong, and everyone knows it |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2014 9:55:01 GMT -5
Recognizing the loss and overblowing the motherfuck out of it like you are... are two very different things... "Huge Loss" - Me "Not a Blip" - You\ trust me, youre wrong, and everyone knows it everyone? |
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Post by Just Another Shem on Jul 25, 2014 9:55:40 GMT -5
Its absolutely hilarious how important Defense in CF has become today If I didn't like you the way that I do, I'd copy and paste the three separate posts you've already made today talking about Ellsbury's defense this year... |
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Post by NEW YORK on Jul 25, 2014 9:55:56 GMT -5
"Huge Loss" - Me "Not a Blip" - You\ trust me, youre wrong, and everyone knows it everyone? Except Rocko Wrongo read this entire thread, everyone is Shaking their heads at you both |
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Post by NEW YORK on Jul 25, 2014 9:57:01 GMT -5
Its absolutely hilarious how important Defense in CF has become today If I didn't like you the way that I do, I'd copy and paste the three separate posts you've already made today talking about Ellsbury's defense this year... I mention it, because you guys seem to think JBJ's defense offsets the loss of Ellsbury's total package Its ridiculous |
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Post by PeteNYC on Jul 25, 2014 9:57:20 GMT -5
Its absolutely hilarious how important Defense in CF has become today Yankees won 112 games in 1998 with a CF'er that couldn't reach the cut off man.... |
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Post by NEW YORK on Jul 25, 2014 9:58:37 GMT -5
Its absolutely hilarious how important Defense in CF has become today Yankees won 112 games in 1998 with a CF'er that couldn't reach the cut off man.... LOL Actually a completely accurate point The Yankees dynasty was led by the worst SS and CF in the history of baseball |
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Post by PeteNYC on Jul 25, 2014 10:02:10 GMT -5
DWAR
40 year old Statue Jeter = -0.3
21 year old future HOF/ROY Bogearts = -1.1
Jose Reyes -0.3
When Jose Reyes and Derek Jeter have the same DWAR, i stop reading it as a stat.
Unless Rock and Snuggy are prepared to admit that Jeter is equal to Reyes in the field and Light Years ahead of Bogey?
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Post by Super Paul Mullin on Jul 25, 2014 10:02:24 GMT -5
Defensively? This year? Name better.... Desmond Jennings Billy Hamilton Ben Revere Austin Jackson Elsbury Not according to fangraphs or baseball reference. |
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Post by redsoxworrld on Jul 25, 2014 10:02:45 GMT -5
Yankees won 112 games in 1998 with a CF'er that couldn't reach the cut off man.... LOL Actually a completely accurate point The Yankees dynasty was led by the worst SS and CF in the history of baseball Red Sox won two WS titles with the shittiest and shortest second baseman in the history of organized sports |
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Post by NEW YORK on Jul 25, 2014 10:03:14 GMT -5
LOL Actually a completely accurate point The Yankees dynasty was led by the worst SS and CF in the history of baseball Red Sox won two WS titles with the shittiest and shortest second baseman in the history of organized sports Brutally overrated and overpaid |
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Post by PeteNYC on Jul 25, 2014 10:04:57 GMT -5
yes, his DWAR is 2.0... that makes him light years better than the next seven guys that are > 1.5 "JBJ is light years better than Mike Trout, look at the DWAR" - Rock the scout let me translate from pete-brew "youre right rock, sorry" "JBJ is much better player than Trout, look at his DWAR" - Rock "Derek Jeter is just as good defensively as Jose Reyes" - Rock and Snuggles "Derek Jeter is MUCH MUCH Better than Hanley Ramirez" - Rock and Snuggles "Derek Jeter is just as good as Starlin Castro defensively" -Rock and Snuggles Is there any more proof that you folks have cherry picked the wrong stat to defend the AA player that is JBJ |
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Post by Just Another Shem on Jul 25, 2014 10:05:13 GMT -5
Recognizing the loss and overblowing the motherfuck out of it like you are... are two very different things... "Huge Loss" - Me "Not a Blip" - You\ trust me, youre wrong, and everyone knows it Ok... Sure... Since you love HRs and RBI so much.. Nava and Victorino combined for 27 HRs and 127 RBI last year... This year? 3 HRs, 22 RBI... Go ahead and guess what the gap is between Ellsbury last year and JBJ this year... go on... gues... |
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Post by redsoxworrld on Jul 25, 2014 10:05:24 GMT -5
Red Sox won two WS titles with the shittiest and shortest second baseman in the history of organized sports Brutally overrated and overpaid what about Pedroia? |
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Post by PeteNYC on Jul 25, 2014 10:05:25 GMT -5
Desmond Jennings Billy Hamilton Ben Revere Austin Jackson Elsbury Not according to fangraphs or baseball reference. see my previous post. Derek Jeter is equal to Jose Reyes |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2014 10:05:28 GMT -5
DWAR 40 year old Statue Jeter = -0.3 21 year old future HOF/ROY Bogearts = -1.1 Jose Reyes -0.3 When Jose Reyes and Derek Jeter have the same DWAR, i stop reading it as a stat. Unless Rock and Snuggy are prepared to admit that Jeter is equal to Reyes in the field and Light Years ahead of Bogey? if only they played the same position...sigh |
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Post by NEW YORK on Jul 25, 2014 10:07:18 GMT -5
"Huge Loss" - Me "Not a Blip" - You\ trust me, youre wrong, and everyone knows it Ok... Sure... Since you love HRs and RBI so much.. Nava and Victorino combined for 27 HRs and 127 RBI last year... This year? 3 HRs, 22 RBI... Go ahead and guess what the gap is between Ellsbury last year and JBJ this year... go on... gues... Buccs posted the gap between Ellsbury and JBJ Its enormous |
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Post by Just Another Shem on Jul 25, 2014 10:07:18 GMT -5
If I didn't like you the way that I do, I'd copy and paste the three separate posts you've already made today talking about Ellsbury's defense this year... I mention it, because you guys seem to think JBJ's defense offsets the loss of Ellsbury's total package Its ridiculous You give me a link to anyone actually saying that and we can continue discussing it. Otherwise, stop lying. If what we're saying is so outlandish, you could just go on and let our words speak for themselves and not have to twist them around. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2014 10:07:48 GMT -5
let me translate from pete-brew "youre right rock, sorry" "JBJ is much better player than Trout, look at his DWAR" - Rock "Derek Jeter is just as good defensively as Jose Reyes" - Rock and Snuggles "Derek Jeter is MUCH MUCH Better than Hanley Ramirez" - Rock and Snuggles "Derek Jeter is just as good as Starlin Castro defensively" -Rock and Snuggles Is there any more proof that you folks have cherry picked the wrong stat to defend the AA player that is JBJ defensively, my drooish friend defensively ox even said he cant argue that ox! |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2014 10:08:46 GMT -5
Ok... Sure... Since you love HRs and RBI so much.. Nava and Victorino combined for 27 HRs and 127 RBI last year... This year? 3 HRs, 22 RBI... Go ahead and guess what the gap is between Ellsbury last year and JBJ this year... go on... gues... Buccs posted the gap between Ellsbury and JBJ Its enormous top of my head 7 HR and 19 RBI separate the 2? |
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Post by Super Paul Mullin on Jul 25, 2014 10:09:46 GMT -5
Not according to fangraphs or baseball reference. see my previous post. Derek Jeter is equal to Jose Reyes Where you said you "stop reading it as a stat." Problem is you have no back up stat to support your claims. I'm just stating facts about Bradley. Two objective sources say he is the best defensive centerfielder this season. He doesn't hit very well. I'm sorry that upsets you. |
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Post by NEW YORK on Jul 25, 2014 10:09:51 GMT -5
I mention it, because you guys seem to think JBJ's defense offsets the loss of Ellsbury's total package Its ridiculous You give me a link to anyone actually saying that and we can continue discussing it. Otherwise, stop lying. If what we're saying is so outlandish, you could just go on and let our words speak for themselves and not have to twist them around. Fucking stop dude...This entire board has dis-agreed with you and Rock all morning, and everyone knows the opinion is strictly based off of where Ellsbury is playing today You have been implying all morning that JBJ's defense is a reason he isnt an absolute pile of horseshit, and why the Sox dont miss Ellsbury |
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Post by PeteNYC on Jul 25, 2014 10:10:16 GMT -5
did i say elite? no, but you can't be a butcher. Stop pretending that Willy Mays Bradley is so much better than any other MLB CF'er defensively that it makes up for him hitting .219 with a .689 OPS now show me where I have been humping bradley's defense, or show me where I have said anything more about bradley than he's been a good hitter the last month and again, use whatever word you want about defense miggy isn't a top defensive first baseman, but he is the best first baseman in baseball by far let me know when the actual point sinks in "How can you be a top ss in baseball without having a great glove" jeter isn't even retired yet and you're shitting all over him A - your fanbase has been humping JBJ as an ELITE Fielder that more than makes up for his .219 .675 with his game changing glove B - according to same stats, Jeter is among the best defenders in the game at his position |
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Post by NEW YORK on Jul 25, 2014 10:11:14 GMT -5
see my previous post. Derek Jeter is equal to Jose Reyes Where you said you "stop reading it as a stat." Problem is you have no back up stat to support your claims. I'm just stating facts about Bradley. Two objective sources say he is the best defensive centerfielder this season. He doesn't hit very well. I'm sorry that upsets you. For the record, Ive never disputed Bradleys outstanding defense I dispute that its enough to keep him on a major league roster Rey Ordonez was the greatest liability in an everyday lineup Ive ever seen |
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Post by PeteNYC on Jul 25, 2014 10:13:50 GMT -5
see my previous post. Derek Jeter is equal to Jose Reyes Where you said you "stop reading it as a stat." Problem is you have no back up stat to support your claims. I'm just stating facts about Bradley. Two objective sources say he is the best defensive centerfielder this season. He doesn't hit very well. I'm sorry that upsets you. i am not arguing he is an excellent defender. he is NO WHERE near good enough with a glove to justify a MLB player hitting .219 with a .675 OPS |
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Post by redsoxworrld on Jul 25, 2014 10:14:29 GMT -5
now show me where I have been humping bradley's defense, or show me where I have said anything more about bradley than he's been a good hitter the last month and again, use whatever word you want about defense miggy isn't a top defensive first baseman, but he is the best first baseman in baseball by far let me know when the actual point sinks in "How can you be a top ss in baseball without having a great glove" jeter isn't even retired yet and you're shitting all over him A - your fanbase has been humping JBJ as an ELITE Fielder that more than makes up for his .219 .675 with his game changing glove B - according to same stats, Jeter is among the best defenders in the game at his position A - nobody ever said his defense makes up for his weak bat B - you already said that you cant be one of the best shortstops in the game without having a great glove, so your Jeter point is moot |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2014 10:15:13 GMT -5
Where you said you "stop reading it as a stat." Problem is you have no back up stat to support your claims. I'm just stating facts about Bradley. Two objective sources say he is the best defensive centerfielder this season. He doesn't hit very well. I'm sorry that upsets you. i am not arguing he is an excellent defender. he is NO WHERE near good enough with a glove to justify a MLB player hitting .219 with a .675 OPS do people in NY have a bad link to stats sites? .229 .316 the last 28 days dirt said .200, someone else said .215 jeter H |
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Post by NEW YORK on Jul 25, 2014 10:15:41 GMT -5
A - your fanbase has been humping JBJ as an ELITE Fielder that more than makes up for his .219 .675 with his game changing glove B - according to same stats, Jeter is among the best defenders in the game at his position
B - you already said that you cant be one of the best shortstops in the game without having a great glove, so your Jeter point is moot Cmon World, its being implied by 2 guys all morning......... |
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Post by redsoxworrld on Jul 25, 2014 10:16:36 GMT -5
Where you said you "stop reading it as a stat." Problem is you have no back up stat to support your claims. I'm just stating facts about Bradley. Two objective sources say he is the best defensive centerfielder this season. He doesn't hit very well. I'm sorry that upsets you. For the record, Ive never disputed Bradleys outstanding defense I dispute that its enough to keep him on a major league roster Rey Ordonez was the greatest liability in an everyday lineup Ive ever seen hes' trending up towards where he should be as a hitter, .260ish and that is absolutely worth a roster spot with the defense he brings and this is his first full year......you want to label WMB a bust, I won't argue, he's had his chance JBJ hasn't yet look how long it took betances to be the pitcher he is.......it happens |
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Post by NEW YORK on Jul 25, 2014 10:16:49 GMT -5
Its amazing that Rocko Wrongo will just keep humping the guy with the most recent hot streak
We went on for days about Boegarts and havent heard about it since
Trust me, we will get to that point soon with Bradley
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