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Post by PeteNYC on Jul 25, 2014 10:16:50 GMT -5
"JBJ is much better player than Trout, look at his DWAR" - Rock "Derek Jeter is just as good defensively as Jose Reyes" - Rock and Snuggles "Derek Jeter is MUCH MUCH Better than Hanley Ramirez" - Rock and Snuggles "Derek Jeter is just as good as Starlin Castro defensively" -Rock and Snuggles Is there any more proof that you folks have cherry picked the wrong stat to defend the AA player that is JBJ defensively, my drooish friend defensively ox even said he cant argue that ox! my cuckold friend... these are defensive stats... same ones that have JBJ as the bestest ever!! |
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Post by heatwave on Jul 25, 2014 10:16:57 GMT -5
McCann has been moved there since Johnson hit the DL.. and Tex's vag flared up again Yeah I know. And they're still a couple of games out of first. And that god awful rotation has actually been a surprise. And they get Toronto this weekend and for whatever reason cant win in the Bronx. They'll take the series. Lol |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2014 10:17:23 GMT -5
A - nobody ever said his defense makes up for his weak bat
B - you already said that you cant be one of the best shortstops in the game without having a great glove, so your Jeter point is moot Cmon World, its being implied by 2 guys all morning......... it is? by who? i only imply if im actrually implying, like i always do luickily, you must mean another poster |
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Post by Super Paul Mullin on Jul 25, 2014 10:18:08 GMT -5
Where you said you "stop reading it as a stat." Problem is you have no back up stat to support your claims. I'm just stating facts about Bradley. Two objective sources say he is the best defensive centerfielder this season. He doesn't hit very well. I'm sorry that upsets you. For the record, Ive never disputed Bradleys outstanding defense I dispute that its enough to keep him on a major league roster Rey Ordonez was the greatest liability in an everyday lineup Ive ever seen we'll just have to disagree on that one. I mean that's the whole point of WAR - does this guy offer more than the replacement. Bradley is barely squeaking by but given the season is over for all intents and purposes you might as well keep going to see how he does. Still has a higher WAR then the Braves lead off hitter and CF. So he's got that going for him. |
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Post by PeteNYC on Jul 25, 2014 10:18:40 GMT -5
Its amazing that Rocko Wrongo will just keep humping the guy with the most recent hot streak We went on for days about Boegarts and havent heard about it since Trust me, we will get to that point soon with Bradley fuck, i have an old computer...it doesn't have a site that ranks MLB CF'ers by last 28 or 25 cherry picked days. |
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Post by redsoxworrld on Jul 25, 2014 10:18:56 GMT -5
Where you said you "stop reading it as a stat." Problem is you have no back up stat to support your claims. I'm just stating facts about Bradley. Two objective sources say he is the best defensive centerfielder this season. He doesn't hit very well. I'm sorry that upsets you. i am not arguing he is an excellent defender. he is NO WHERE near good enough with a glove to justify a MLB player hitting .219 with a .675 OPS how about .319 in the last month, or should they shit can him because overall his numbers suck? why don't they bench mccann? He's been awful.....until lately un fucking real |
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Post by PeteNYC on Jul 25, 2014 10:19:34 GMT -5
i am not arguing he is an excellent defender. he is NO WHERE near good enough with a glove to justify a MLB player hitting .219 with a .675 OPS do people in NY have a bad link to stats sites? .229 .316 the last 28 days dirt said .200, someone else said .215 jeter H Here is something funny JBJ DWAR last 25 games -1.7 Not so good at the defense is he....clearly regressing! BWAHAHAHAHA |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2014 10:19:42 GMT -5
defensively, my drooish friend defensively ox even said he cant argue that ox! my cuckold friend... these are defensive stats... same ones that have JBJ as the bestest ever!! que? "JBJ is much better player than Trout, look at his DWAR" - Rock this isnt a defensive metric you said i claiemd hes a "much better player (i.e overall)" than trout |
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Post by Super Paul Mullin on Jul 25, 2014 10:19:54 GMT -5
Where you said you "stop reading it as a stat." Problem is you have no back up stat to support your claims. I'm just stating facts about Bradley. Two objective sources say he is the best defensive centerfielder this season. He doesn't hit very well. I'm sorry that upsets you. i am not arguing he is an excellent defender. he is NO WHERE near good enough with a glove to justify a MLB player hitting .219 with a .675 OPS Have you spoken to Ox about BJ Upton? |
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Post by redsoxworrld on Jul 25, 2014 10:20:57 GMT -5
A - nobody ever said his defense makes up for his weak bat
B - you already said that you cant be one of the best shortstops in the game without having a great glove, so your Jeter point is moot Cmon World, its being implied by 2 guys all morning......... the argument has been the impact of ellsbury being gone, not specifically that JBJ defense hides his weak bat |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2014 10:21:14 GMT -5
it is? by who? i only imply if im actrually implying, like i always do luickily, you must mean another poster When you start dealing with Rehtads, thats when you will win this debate Every single post about the Sox not missing Ellsbury by you has been backed up with JBJ's defense not true i also said his OPS is 19 pts lower than his boston aggregate |
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Post by NEW YORK on Jul 25, 2014 10:23:48 GMT -5
Cmon World, its being implied by 2 guys all morning......... the argument has been the impact of ellsbury being gone, not specifically that JBJ defense hides his weak bat Rocks entire riduclous crusade today has been about how SMART the Sox were to let Ellsbury walk Why? Cause JBJ plays great defense Thats bascially a summary of events |
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Post by NEW YORK on Jul 25, 2014 10:24:53 GMT -5
When you start dealing with Rehtads, thats when you will win this debate Every single post about the Sox not missing Ellsbury by you has been backed up with JBJ's defense not true i also said his OPS is 19 pts lower than his boston aggregate This is Xander Boeagarts all over again There will absolutely be no JBJ comments coming from Boston by August 1st if I had to estimate |
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Post by Super Paul Mullin on Jul 25, 2014 10:25:03 GMT -5
Where you said you "stop reading it as a stat." Problem is you have no back up stat to support your claims. I'm just stating facts about Bradley. Two objective sources say he is the best defensive centerfielder this season. He doesn't hit very well. I'm sorry that upsets you. i am not arguing he is an excellent defender. he is NO WHERE near good enough with a glove to justify a MLB player hitting .219 with a .675 OPS Wait a second . . . are you talking about JBJ or Carlos Beltran? |
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Post by Just Another Shem on Jul 25, 2014 10:25:53 GMT -5
You give me a link to anyone actually saying that and we can continue discussing it. Otherwise, stop lying. If what we're saying is so outlandish, you could just go on and let our words speak for themselves and not have to twist them around. Fucking stop dude...This entire board has dis-agreed with you and Rock all morning, and everyone knows the opinion is strictly based off of where Ellsbury is playing today You have been implying all morning that JBJ's defense is a reason he isnt an absolute pile of horseshit, and why the Sox dont miss Ellsbury Uh huh... Since you're so into what the rest of the board thinks, I'd love to see all of the people that are agreeing with you that he's the main reason the Red Sox are in last and not first... |
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Post by NEW YORK on Jul 25, 2014 10:27:04 GMT -5
Fucking stop dude...This entire board has dis-agreed with you and Rock all morning, and everyone knows the opinion is strictly based off of where Ellsbury is playing today You have been implying all morning that JBJ's defense is a reason he isnt an absolute pile of horseshit, and why the Sox dont miss Ellsbury Uh huh... Since you're so into what the rest of the board thinks, I'd love to see all of the people that are agreeing with you that he's the main reason the Red Sox are in last and not first... You keep humping "the #1 reason" thing Did I actually say the #1 reason, or did I say what is completely obvious? "He was a huge loss"? |
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Post by heatwave on Jul 25, 2014 10:27:05 GMT -5
Why is everybody so angry today? They are Red Sox fans? Because on tuesday these very same people said the blue jays were done and the sox were trending up. Until they got the shit smacked out of them 3 consecutive days and now it's yankees fans trying to make less of the sox. If the jays do the same to the yankees this weekend. The roles will reverse while i will sit here and enjoy every minute of it.. Get it?! |
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Post by redsoxworrld on Jul 25, 2014 10:27:58 GMT -5
the argument has been the impact of ellsbury being gone, not specifically that JBJ defense hides his weak bat Rocks entire riduclous crusade today has been about how SMART the Sox were to let Ellsbury walk Why? Cause JBJ plays great defense Thats bascially a summary of events minus a detail or three |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2014 10:30:12 GMT -5
Rocks entire riduclous crusade today has been about how SMART the Sox were to let Ellsbury walk Why? Cause JBJ plays great defense Thats bascially a summary of events minus a detail or three yyyyyup i DID say "the sox were smart to let ellsbury go" based on his production for the money so far that i DID say |
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Post by NEW YORK on Jul 25, 2014 10:37:02 GMT -5
yyyyyup i DID say "the sox were smart to let ellsbury go" based on his production for the money so far that i DID say Rock In all honesty, money and contractual talk really only becomes a talking point when a team is down in the dumps, it really is If the Sox signed Ellsbury and they were in first place, you truly would not be giving a shit how much they paid him I fully expect it to be an ugly back end of a contract, but I dont give a shit, I watch this team for 162, I know how much of a role he is playing in keeping this team sniffing around a postseason berth |
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Post by Just Another Shem on Jul 25, 2014 10:41:21 GMT -5
A - nobody ever said his defense makes up for his weak bat
B - you already said that you cant be one of the best shortstops in the game without having a great glove, so your Jeter point is moot Cmon World, its being implied by 2 guys all morning......... no it hasn't... And even if it had... It wouldn't in the same planet of stupidity as "Ellsbury is the difference maker between world champion and last place" |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2014 10:42:15 GMT -5
yyyyyup i DID say "the sox were smart to let ellsbury go" based on his production for the money so far that i DID say Rock In all honesty, money and contractual talk really only becomes a talking point when a team is down in the dumps, it really is If the Sox signed Ellsbury and they were in first place, you truly would not be giving a shit how much they paid him I fully expect it to be an ugly back end of a contract, but I dont give a shit, I watch this team for 162, I know how much of a role he is playing in keeping this team sniffing around a postseason berth so...i didnt imply it? |
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Post by Just Another Shem on Jul 25, 2014 10:42:26 GMT -5
Its amazing that Rocko Wrongo will just keep humping the guy with the most recent hot streak We went on for days about Boegarts and havent heard about it since Trust me, we will get to that point soon with Bradley Coming from the guy who made the "they are heating up" excuses for $200 million worth of McCann and Beltran |
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Post by redseat on Jul 25, 2014 10:43:43 GMT -5
Where you said you "stop reading it as a stat." Problem is you have no back up stat to support your claims. I'm just stating facts about Bradley. Two objective sources say he is the best defensive centerfielder this season. He doesn't hit very well. I'm sorry that upsets you. For the record, Ive never disputed Bradleys outstanding defense I dispute that its enough to keep him on a major league roster Rey Ordonez was the greatest liability in an everyday lineup Ive ever seen right now the Red Sox don't have much of an option so he will remain up |
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Post by NEW YORK on Jul 25, 2014 10:43:59 GMT -5
Its amazing that Rocko Wrongo will just keep humping the guy with the most recent hot streak We went on for days about Boegarts and havent heard about it since Trust me, we will get to that point soon with Bradley Coming from the guy who made the "they are heating up" excuses for $200 million worth of McCann and Beltran Those are excuses? And I dont care what guys get paid, only you do |
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Post by Just Another Shem on Jul 25, 2014 10:44:07 GMT -5
Dirt and Ox are pissed because we aren't pissed. - Dude, youre more obvious than anyone when youre pissed, youre posts and "FACTS" become embrassing Yeah... Missing Ellsbury's .750 OPS is just killing our season.. |
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Post by NEW YORK on Jul 25, 2014 10:44:54 GMT -5
Rock In all honesty, money and contractual talk really only becomes a talking point when a team is down in the dumps, it really is If the Sox signed Ellsbury and they were in first place, you truly would not be giving a shit how much they paid him I fully expect it to be an ugly back end of a contract, but I dont give a shit, I watch this team for 162, I know how much of a role he is playing in keeping this team sniffing around a postseason berth so...i didnt imply it? yes, all morning |
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Post by The Bag on Jul 25, 2014 10:46:13 GMT -5
 can someone at least acknowledge i'm the sox fan that definitely lists elsbury being gone as a major reason the sox are putrid this season? please and thank you. Truth be told, Yam? Nobody gives a shit what you think. World, Rock, Down and myself are the Red Sox fans that matter to Dirt and Ox... And they're really the only ones keeping this conversation going. the idiots downplaying elsbury's importance to the sox in 2013 and the reason for them blowing are the ones keeping this conversation going, aka dirt, ox, and buccs batting you dumbasses around like a cat smacking a ball of yarn. |
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Post by Just Another Shem on Jul 25, 2014 10:48:41 GMT -5
the argument has been the impact of ellsbury being gone, not specifically that JBJ defense hides his weak bat Rocks entire riduclous crusade today has been about how SMART the Sox were to let Ellsbury walk Why? Cause JBJ plays great defense Thats bascially a summary of events Choosing to let a one-time all-star walk in liu of paying him $24 million a year for seven years when you have one of the highest nationally ranked prospects in all of baseball waiting in the wings is "not smart"... Ah... I see... |
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Post by Just Another Shem on Jul 25, 2014 10:49:49 GMT -5
not true i also said his OPS is 19 pts lower than his boston aggregate This is Xander Boeagarts all over again There will absolutely be no JBJ comments coming from Boston by August 1st if I had to estimate Because you've been so vocal about Solarte lately... |
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