|
|
Post by PeteNYC on Jul 25, 2014 9:34:26 GMT -5
his gold standard, elite, breath taking defense makes up for it. nobody has ever prasied Bogaerts defense in here EVER wait... so, he can be top 3 SS in baseball with AWFUL Defense But JBJ who can't hit water from a boat is top CF because of his defense? make up your fucking minds. |
|
OXlodge
VIP Member
Posts: 47,699 
Likes: 5,915
|
Post by OXlodge on Jul 25, 2014 9:36:24 GMT -5
Wait what? Who said JBJ is the best CF?
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2014 9:36:54 GMT -5
Wait what? Who said JBJ is the best CF? #1 DWAR in all of MLB for Cfers 2.0 discuss |
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2014 9:37:09 GMT -5
New York and Boston are the only two cities where fans think 'proven post season performer' actually increases a player's value. The rest of the baseball world realizes that a player has to show up for the 162 regualr season games first. "Little Davey Eckstein is worth about $3.5 million a year but we are going to pay him $8 million a year because he's a 'proven post season performer'. so the whole "he pitches 200 innings a year" went right past your eyeballs, eh? 35 guys are on pace to pitcfh 200 IPs this year including the likes of Tyson Ross, Kyle Lohse and Mike Leake, so let's not act like it is some great feat OK? |
|
|
|
Post by redsoxworrld on Jul 25, 2014 9:37:13 GMT -5
nobody has ever prasied Bogaerts defense in here EVER wait... so, he can be top 3 SS in baseball with AWFUL Defense But JBJ who can't hit water from a boat is top CF because of his defense? make up your fucking minds. keep changing the argument nobody will notice can miggy be the best first baseman in baseball with average defense? |
|
|
|
Post by The Bag on Jul 25, 2014 9:37:31 GMT -5
Nava, Saltamachia Peavy, Victorino, Boegarts All bigger pieces to the 2013 Red Sox than Ellsbury Can NOT make this shit up Nava and Victorino were better hitters last year... This isn't even disputable... The fact that you are even questioning this? Illustrates just how little you know about what you're discussing. But what I was actually saying is... The drop from last year to this year, from those guys and/or their respective positions? Much worse than the Ellsbury to JBJ drop... Fact... Not opinion...  can someone at least acknowledge i'm the sox fan that definitely lists elsbury being gone as a major reason the sox are putrid this season? please and thank you. |
|
OXlodge
VIP Member
Posts: 47,699
Likes: 5,915
|
Post by OXlodge on Jul 25, 2014 9:38:15 GMT -5
Wait what? Who said JBJ is the best CF? #1 DWAR in all of MLB for Cfers 2.0 discuss Discuss what? He's not even near the player Mike Trout was. Simmons had the most historic season last year defensively in the history of baseball and a record setting DWAR in the history of baseball? Does that make him the best SS in baseball? IF you say yes, you're lying. |
|
|
|
Post by redsoxworrld on Jul 25, 2014 9:38:50 GMT -5
so the whole "he pitches 200 innings a year" went right past your eyeballs, eh? 35 guys are on pace to pitcfh 200 IPs this year including the likes of Tyson Ross, Kyle Lohse and Mike Leake, so let's not act like it is some great feat OK? if it was just this year, you'd have a point he pitches 200 innings every year, a pretty good commodity to have as a starter, no, now throw in that he's a lefty, has a career winning percentage amongst the top since he's been a starter, is healthy, has a proven post season track record, but he's only worth 15 million a year uh huh |
|
|
|
Post by redsoxworrld on Jul 25, 2014 9:39:20 GMT -5
Nava and Victorino were better hitters last year... This isn't even disputable... The fact that you are even questioning this? Illustrates just how little you know about what you're discussing. But what I was actually saying is... The drop from last year to this year, from those guys and/or their respective positions? Much worse than the Ellsbury to JBJ drop... Fact... Not opinion... can someone at least acknowledge i'm the sox fan that definitely lists elsbury being gone as a major reason the sox are putrid this season? please and thank you. you aren't the only one |
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2014 9:39:47 GMT -5
#1 DWAR in all of MLB for Cfers 2.0 discuss Discuss what? He's not even near the player Mike Trout was. Simmons had the most historic season last year defensively in the history of baseball and a record setting DWAR in the history of baseball? Does that make him the best SS in baseball? IF you say yes, you're lying. note: i clearly said, many times, best defensive CF in the AL, maybe baseball verbatim clearly, hes the best defensive CF in baseball by DWAR as demonstrated by the universal truth, numbers and sports |
|
|
|
Post by Just Another Shem on Jul 25, 2014 9:40:31 GMT -5
Wait what? Who said JBJ is the best CF? Defensively? This year? Name better.... |
|
|
|
Post by PeteNYC on Jul 25, 2014 9:40:50 GMT -5
I obviously wasn't here but if anyone is going to say a short stop is top 3 in baseball, they better be talking something about defense. so miggy isn't in the top three best first baseman in baseball? interesting take 3B defense is MUCH more important than 1B defense. |
|
Mr mastodon farm
SportsChatter Hall of Famer
back to back World Series Poster
Posts: 107,981
Likes: 13,006
|
Post by Mr mastodon farm on Jul 25, 2014 9:41:24 GMT -5
so the whole "he pitches 200 innings a year" went right past your eyeballs, eh? 35 guys are on pace to pitcfh 200 IPs this year including the likes of Tyson Ross, Kyle Lohse and Mike Leake, so let's not act like it is some great feat OK? jason vargas averaged 200 IP for three seasons, from 2010-2012 |
|
|
|
Post by PeteNYC on Jul 25, 2014 9:42:44 GMT -5
wait... so, he can be top 3 SS in baseball with AWFUL Defense But JBJ who can't hit water from a boat is top CF because of his defense? make up your fucking minds. keep changing the argument nobody will notice can miggy be the best first baseman in baseball with average defense? 1B yes! and call me when Bogey is batting .250, let alone winning the Triple Crown the same fanbase that thinks Ortiz is a deal lock , first ballot HOF'er and the guy doesn't own a glove is now talkign about how elite their .219 hitting CFer is |
|
OXlodge
VIP Member
Posts: 47,699
Likes: 5,915
|
Post by OXlodge on Jul 25, 2014 9:43:38 GMT -5
Oh so now he went from best CF in baseball to best defensive CF? Which is it. Because I wont argue the second part.
|
|
Mr mastodon farm
SportsChatter Hall of Famer
back to back World Series Poster
Posts: 107,981
Likes: 13,006
|
Post by Mr mastodon farm on Jul 25, 2014 9:44:14 GMT -5
Mark Burhele has pitched 200IP for 13 consecutive seasons. Where's his 25 million? "he doesnt throw hard like lester" |
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2014 9:44:31 GMT -5
35 guys are on pace to pitcfh 200 IPs this year including the likes of Tyson Ross, Kyle Lohse and Mike Leake, so let's not act like it is some great feat OK? if it was just this year, you'd have a point he pitches 200 innings every year, No, he doesn't. He has been in the leagye 9 years and has throw 200 IPs five times. 5 does not equal 9. Sorry. |
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2014 9:45:03 GMT -5
Mark Burhele has pitched 200IP for 13 consecutive seasons. Where's his 25 million? not a strikeout pitcher like lester is 5.2 k/9 isnt worth the same as 8.2 k/9 also, hes making 19 mil this year ox did you know that? |
|
|
|
Post by PeteNYC on Jul 25, 2014 9:45:17 GMT -5
Wait what? Who said JBJ is the best CF? Defensively? This year? Name better.... Desmond Jennings Billy Hamilton Ben Revere Austin Jackson Elsbury |
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2014 9:45:50 GMT -5
Oh so now he went from best CF in baseball to best defensive CF? Which is it. Because I wont argue the second part. i never, nor anyone, said hes the best CFer in baseball its always been, even today, best DEFENSIVE CFers go back and look, its there ese |
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2014 9:46:39 GMT -5
|
|
|
|
Post by NEW YORK on Jul 25, 2014 9:47:25 GMT -5
Nava and Victorino were better hitters last year... This isn't even disputable... The fact that you are even questioning this? Illustrates just how little you know about what you're discussing. But what I was actually saying is... The drop from last year to this year, from those guys and/or their respective positions? Much worse than the Ellsbury to JBJ drop... Fact... Not opinion... can someone at least acknowledge i'm the sox fan that definitely lists elsbury being gone as a major reason the sox are putrid this season? please and thank you. Noted No one pays attention to idiots that truly dont recognize the loss of Ellsbury, for the SOLE reason of where he landed Trust me, they would acknowledge it if he landed in Anaheim |
|
|
|
Post by PeteNYC on Jul 25, 2014 9:47:54 GMT -5
espn.go.com/mlb/stats/batting/_/position/cfyou know how good your defense would have to be to make up for being 29th ranked offensively in CF batting. there isn't a defender on earth that can bridge the gap from a .318 17 63 .974 to .229 7 27 .623 Stop pretending that any team has a statue in CF in MLB
|
|
|
|
Post by redsoxworrld on Jul 25, 2014 9:49:12 GMT -5
so miggy isn't in the top three best first baseman in baseball? interesting take 3B defense is MUCH more important than 1B defense. now address the actual point since you are now the second one saying that you can't be the best SS or now first baseman in baseball if you don't have an elite glove |
|
OXlodge
VIP Member
Posts: 47,699
Likes: 5,915
|
Post by OXlodge on Jul 25, 2014 9:49:54 GMT -5
So Bradley is the Rey Ordonez of center fielders.
|
|
|
|
Post by PeteNYC on Jul 25, 2014 9:50:48 GMT -5
Discuss what? He's not even near the player Mike Trout was. Simmons had the most historic season last year defensively in the history of baseball and a record setting DWAR in the history of baseball? Does that make him the best SS in baseball? IF you say yes, you're lying. note: i clearly said, many times, best defensive CF in the AL, maybe baseball verbatim clearly, hes the best defensive CF in baseball by DWAR as demonstrated by the universal truth, numbers and sports yes, his DWAR is 2.0... that makes him light years better than the next seven guys that are > 1.5 "JBJ is light years better than Mike Trout, look at the DWAR" - Rock the scout |
|
|
|
Post by redsoxworrld on Jul 25, 2014 9:50:49 GMT -5
Mark Burhele has pitched 200IP for 13 consecutive seasons. Where's his 25 million? changing the argument again i said he is worth more than 15 million never said he was worth 25 |
|
|
|
Post by NEW YORK on Jul 25, 2014 9:50:55 GMT -5
Its absolutely hilarious how important Defense in CF has become today
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2014 9:53:21 GMT -5
note: i clearly said, many times, best defensive CF in the AL, maybe baseball verbatim clearly, hes the best defensive CF in baseball by DWAR as demonstrated by the universal truth, numbers and sports yes, his DWAR is 2.0... that makes him light years better than the next seven guys that are > 1.5 "JBJ is light years better than Mike Trout, look at the DWAR" - Rock the scout let me translate from pete-brew "youre right rock, sorry" |
|
|
|
Post by redsoxworrld on Jul 25, 2014 9:54:30 GMT -5
"Lester is worth well north of 15 million a year" - me
"BWAHAHAHAHAHAH!! Worrld thinks Lester is worth 25 million a year!!!" - the board Illuminati
|
|
