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Post by Mr mastodon farm on Feb 29, 2016 11:35:23 GMT -5
BRADENTON, Fla. (AP) -- Pittsburgh Pirates general manager Neal Huntington on Sunday acknowledged the team erroneously computed Gerrit Cole's salary offer for 2016, which led to a public spat with their ace pitcher.
The Pirates initially offered Cole a $538,000 contract, which was a $7,000 increase over his base salary last year. According to Huntington, that was a franchise-record pay hike for a player with only two-plus years of big league service time.
However, Cole's total earnings last season were $541,000 because he got a $10,000 bonus for making the National League All-Star team.
''I understand the business of this game, but it is hard to accept that a year of performance success does not warrant an increase in pay,'' Cole told the Pittsburgh Tribune-Review.
Cole went 19-8 with a 2.60 ERA and finished fourth in the Cy Young Award voting. He was the Pirates' starting pitcher in the NL wild-card game.
Because Cole has less than three year's major league service time, the Pirates can impose any salary over the minimum of $507,500.
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The Pirates use an in-house algorithm to determine salary increases for their ''zero-to-three'' players. Huntington said the system weighs service time, playing time and performance.
When Cole's figure was computed, however, his All-Star bonus was not included. Cole's agent, Scott Boras, balked when the Pirates gave him the $538,000 offer.
''We made a mistake in the process,'' Huntington said. ''We didn't have to move (the figure). We felt they made a valid point (and) we made the adjustment.''
The team raised Cole's salary to $541,000. When Cole asked for a larger increase - something that would put him over his 2015 earnings total - the Pirates refused to budge.
''They even threatened a salary reduction to the league minimum if I did not agree,'' Cole told the Tribune-Review.
Cole grudgingly signed the contract for $541,000, then told the Tribune-Review about his situation.
''Gerrit strikes a note that most people can empathize with,'' Huntington said. ''I'm sure there are many people in this world who don't feel they are adequately compensated for what they do. The challenge we have is there is a collectively bargained system in place and it's been in place for years.''
Some teams are willing to give hefty increases to star players. In 2014, Los Angeles Angels outfielder Mike Trout got $1 million, a record for a pre-arbitration deal, about a month before agreeing to a $144.5 million, six-year extension.
The Pirates prefer to take a hard-line approach.
''Once you make an exception, how do you draw the line?'' Huntington said. ''If it's only for MVPs, what if someone wins a Cy Young? Or what if someone finishes fifth in the Rookie of the Year voting? Some clubs have the ability to go in different directions, higher or lower. We believe our system is consistent and it's the right way to do things for us.''
Huntington said the Pirates' salary process will include bonuses in the future.
''We'll evolve,'' Huntington said. ''Our hope is that Gerrit is ready to move forward, put this behind him and recognize that the better year he has, the better year we have, it's good for all.''
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Post by Mr mastodon farm on Feb 29, 2016 11:38:32 GMT -5
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Post by OXlodge on Feb 29, 2016 11:39:07 GMT -5
BRADENTON, Fla. (AP) -- Pittsburgh Pirates general manager Neal Huntington on Sunday acknowledged the team erroneously computed Gerrit Cole's salary offer for 2016, which led to a public spat with their ace pitcher. The Pirates initially offered Cole a $538,000 contract, which was a $7,000 increase over his base salary last year. According to Huntington, that was a franchise-record pay hike for a player with only two-plus years of big league service time. However, Cole's total earnings last season were $541,000 because he got a $10,000 bonus for making the National League All-Star team. ''I understand the business of this game, but it is hard to accept that a year of performance success does not warrant an increase in pay,'' Cole told the Pittsburgh Tribune-Review. Cole went 19-8 with a 2.60 ERA and finished fourth in the Cy Young Award voting. He was the Pirates' starting pitcher in the NL wild-card game. Because Cole has less than three year's major league service time, the Pirates can impose any salary over the minimum of $507,500. View gallery Pirates say they made a mistake in salary offer to … FILE - In this June 3, 2014, file photo, Pittsburgh Pirates starting pitcher Gerrit Cole throws agai … The Pirates use an in-house algorithm to determine salary increases for their ''zero-to-three'' players. Huntington said the system weighs service time, playing time and performance. When Cole's figure was computed, however, his All-Star bonus was not included. Cole's agent, Scott Boras, balked when the Pirates gave him the $538,000 offer. ''We made a mistake in the process,'' Huntington said. ''We didn't have to move (the figure). We felt they made a valid point (and) we made the adjustment.'' The team raised Cole's salary to $541,000. When Cole asked for a larger increase - something that would put him over his 2015 earnings total - the Pirates refused to budge. ''They even threatened a salary reduction to the league minimum if I did not agree,'' Cole told the Tribune-Review. Cole grudgingly signed the contract for $541,000, then told the Tribune-Review about his situation. ''Gerrit strikes a note that most people can empathize with,'' Huntington said. ''I'm sure there are many people in this world who don't feel they are adequately compensated for what they do. The challenge we have is there is a collectively bargained system in place and it's been in place for years.'' Some teams are willing to give hefty increases to star players. In 2014, Los Angeles Angels outfielder Mike Trout got $1 million, a record for a pre-arbitration deal, about a month before agreeing to a $144.5 million, six-year extension. The Pirates prefer to take a hard-line approach. ''Once you make an exception, how do you draw the line?'' Huntington said. ''If it's only for MVPs, what if someone wins a Cy Young? Or what if someone finishes fifth in the Rookie of the Year voting? Some clubs have the ability to go in different directions, higher or lower. We believe our system is consistent and it's the right way to do things for us.'' Huntington said the Pirates' salary process will include bonuses in the future. ''We'll evolve,'' Huntington said. ''Our hope is that Gerrit is ready to move forward, put this behind him and recognize that the better year he has, the better year we have, it's good for all.'' LOL, fucking 3K. |
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Post by bigddude on Feb 29, 2016 11:39:26 GMT -5
BRADENTON, Fla. (AP) -- Pittsburgh Pirates general manager Neal Huntington on Sunday acknowledged the team erroneously computed Gerrit Cole's salary offer for 2016, which led to a public spat with their ace pitcher. The Pirates initially offered Cole a $538,000 contract, which was a $7,000 increase over his base salary last year. According to Huntington, that was a franchise-record pay hike for a player with only two-plus years of big league service time. However, Cole's total earnings last season were $541,000 because he got a $10,000 bonus for making the National League All-Star team. ''I understand the business of this game, but it is hard to accept that a year of performance success does not warrant an increase in pay,'' Cole told the Pittsburgh Tribune-Review. Cole went 19-8 with a 2.60 ERA and finished fourth in the Cy Young Award voting. He was the Pirates' starting pitcher in the NL wild-card game. Because Cole has less than three year's major league service time, the Pirates can impose any salary over the minimum of $507,500. View gallery Pirates say they made a mistake in salary offer to … FILE - In this June 3, 2014, file photo, Pittsburgh Pirates starting pitcher Gerrit Cole throws agai … The Pirates use an in-house algorithm to determine salary increases for their ''zero-to-three'' players. Huntington said the system weighs service time, playing time and performance. When Cole's figure was computed, however, his All-Star bonus was not included. Cole's agent, Scott Boras, balked when the Pirates gave him the $538,000 offer. ''We made a mistake in the process,'' Huntington said. ''We didn't have to move (the figure). We felt they made a valid point (and) we made the adjustment.'' The team raised Cole's salary to $541,000. When Cole asked for a larger increase - something that would put him over his 2015 earnings total - the Pirates refused to budge. ''They even threatened a salary reduction to the league minimum if I did not agree,'' Cole told the Tribune-Review. Cole grudgingly signed the contract for $541,000, then told the Tribune-Review about his situation. ''Gerrit strikes a note that most people can empathize with,'' Huntington said. ''I'm sure there are many people in this world who don't feel they are adequately compensated for what they do. The challenge we have is there is a collectively bargained system in place and it's been in place for years.'' Some teams are willing to give hefty increases to star players. In 2014, Los Angeles Angels outfielder Mike Trout got $1 million, a record for a pre-arbitration deal, about a month before agreeing to a $144.5 million, six-year extension. The Pirates prefer to take a hard-line approach. ''Once you make an exception, how do you draw the line?'' Huntington said. ''If it's only for MVPs, what if someone wins a Cy Young? Or what if someone finishes fifth in the Rookie of the Year voting? Some clubs have the ability to go in different directions, higher or lower. We believe our system is consistent and it's the right way to do things for us.'' Huntington said the Pirates' salary process will include bonuses in the future. ''We'll evolve,'' Huntington said. ''Our hope is that Gerrit is ready to move forward, put this behind him and recognize that the better year he has, the better year we have, it's good for all.'' "Oops" does not address the lack of financial respect. Yes. this is business. But, I don't call this good business myself. |
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Post by Smuck on Feb 29, 2016 11:40:28 GMT -5
FWIW, if I'm Huntington, I tell Cole that if he wants to continue this negotiation in the press, that's fine with me. Wait until the public hears first-hand what Cole turned down.
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Post by Mr mastodon farm on Feb 29, 2016 11:41:24 GMT -5
yankees dont offer enough so he goes to college
has one great year with the pirates and is angry about a small raise
this guy needs to fuck off
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Post by Smuck on Feb 29, 2016 11:42:49 GMT -5
yankees dont offer enough so he goes to college has one great year with the pirates and is angry about a small raise this guy needs to fuck off And it's not like he took a fucking raft from Havana with his family and pet chickens. He got a fucking 8MM signing bonus. |
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Post by OXlodge on Feb 29, 2016 11:44:50 GMT -5
yankees dont offer enough so he goes to college has one great year with the pirates and is angry about a small raise this guy needs to fuck off Maybe he felt he deserved a raise after his playoff performance. |
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Post by Smuck on Feb 29, 2016 11:45:57 GMT -5
Raise your hand if you think that a couple hundred thousand extra pre-arb dollars is going to mean a damn thing in a few years when the Yankees and Dodgers have offers on the table that are worth 50MM more than Pittsburgh's.
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Post by OXlodge on Feb 29, 2016 11:49:07 GMT -5
I think he's upset that they traded for a guy who makes 9 million this season.
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Post by Mr mastodon farm on Feb 29, 2016 11:49:14 GMT -5
played one complete season
bitching about money
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Post by billythekid on Feb 29, 2016 12:06:33 GMT -5
Yasel Puig is apparently looking into getting his own chopper so he can fly to home games and avoid the traffic. First off, he will still find a way to be late..second I don't give a shit
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Post by Mr mastodon farm on Feb 29, 2016 12:07:27 GMT -5
Yasel Puig is apparently looking into getting his own chopper so he can fly to home games and avoid the traffic. First off, he will still find a way to be late..second I don't give a shit third, he can't |
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Post by billythekid on Feb 29, 2016 12:08:44 GMT -5
Yasel Puig is apparently looking into getting his own chopper so he can fly to home games and avoid the traffic. First off, he will still find a way to be late..second I don't give a shit third, he can't Can't??? be on time? accountable? a good teammate? maximize his potential? Lots of clarification needed here |
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Post by Mr mastodon farm on Feb 29, 2016 12:14:56 GMT -5
Can't??? be on time? accountable? a good teammate? maximize his potential? Lots of clarification needed here take a helicopter to games and the above 4 as well |
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Post by billythekid on Feb 29, 2016 12:15:33 GMT -5
Can't??? be on time? accountable? a good teammate? maximize his potential? Lots of clarification needed here take a helicopter to games and the above 4 as well Word...and shit |
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Post by Scalious on Feb 29, 2016 12:16:11 GMT -5
I totally get coles frustration. Young mlb players of his calilber are getting ripped off. Real-time to money the MLB makes. That is key here. However his anger should be directed at how the system is set by the MLB. Not the pirates. You can't really blame them too much for using the system that is in place.
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Post by OXlodge on Feb 29, 2016 12:18:00 GMT -5
I totally get coles frustration. Young mlb players of his calilber are getting ripped off. Real-time to money the MLB makes. That is key here. However his anger should be directed at how the system is set by the MLB. Not the pirates. You can't really blame them too much for using the system that is in place. That's pretty much what me, Smuck and Francis have been saying. |
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Post by Mr mastodon farm on Feb 29, 2016 12:18:51 GMT -5
I totally get coles frustration. Young mlb players of his calilber are getting ripped off. Real-time to money the MLB makes. That is key here. However his anger should be directed at how the system is set by the MLB. Not the pirates. You can't really blame them too much for using the system that is in place. word and when they get older, they can recoup what they didn't get in their 20's when they were underpaid When he is 35 he'll be overpaid, so it will all work out barring injury. |
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Post by OXlodge on Feb 29, 2016 12:24:05 GMT -5
I totally get coles frustration. Young mlb players of his calilber are getting ripped off. Real-time to money the MLB makes. That is key here. However his anger should be directed at how the system is set by the MLB. Not the pirates. You can't really blame them too much for using the system that is in place. word and when they get older, they can recoup what they didn't get in their 20's when they were underpaid When he is 35 he'll be overpaid, so it will all work out barring injury. He'll be making 38 million a year when he's 35. Let me get a Kleenex for da widdle baby. |
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Post by Mr mastodon farm on Feb 29, 2016 12:25:10 GMT -5
word and when they get older, they can recoup what they didn't get in their 20's when they were underpaid When he is 35 he'll be overpaid, so it will all work out barring injury. He'll be making 38 million a year when he's 35. Let me get a Kleenex for da widdle baby. exactly. |
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Post by OXlodge on Feb 29, 2016 12:28:33 GMT -5
He'll be making 38 million a year when he's 35. Let me get a Kleenex for da widdle baby. exactly. They just came off a 98 win season and unfortunately ran into Arrietta. Not like Cole helped his cause or anything. Because if the role was reversed and he pitched a complete game SO and they advance, we might be talking about an "extension to avoid arbitration".....maybe....he knows the Pirates are skimpy. |
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Post by Just Another Shem on Feb 29, 2016 12:34:59 GMT -5
Raise your hand if you think that a couple hundred thousand extra pre-arb dollars is going to mean a damn thing in a few years when the Yankees and Dodgers have offers on the table that are worth 50MM more than Pittsburgh's. Raise your hand if you think giving up keeping the guy already is bad business. |
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Post by bigddude on Feb 29, 2016 12:39:40 GMT -5
Can't??? be on time? accountable? a good teammate? maximize his potential? Lots of clarification needed here take a helicopter to games and the above 4 as well Unlike Kobe, the NBA, and Staples center, Dodger stadium is in a no fly zone, and has no on site helipads. |
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Post by Mr mastodon farm on Feb 29, 2016 12:44:21 GMT -5
Raise your hand if you think that a couple hundred thousand extra pre-arb dollars is going to mean a damn thing in a few years when the Yankees and Dodgers have offers on the table that are worth 50MM more than Pittsburgh's. Raise your hand if you think giving up keeping the guy already is bad business. name the last small market team to re-sign their own scott boras client as a free agent |
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Post by Smuck on Feb 29, 2016 12:45:39 GMT -5
Raise your hand if you think that a couple hundred thousand extra pre-arb dollars is going to mean a damn thing in a few years when the Yankees and Dodgers have offers on the table that are worth 50MM more than Pittsburgh's. Raise your hand if you think giving up keeping the guy already is bad business. You always miss the point. Always. Is it your contention that throwing extra money at him pre-arb is in some way going to benefit the Pirates down the road? |
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Post by Mr mastodon farm on Feb 29, 2016 12:47:09 GMT -5
Raise your hand if you think giving up keeping the guy already is bad business. You always miss the point. Always. Is it your contention that throwing extra money at him pre-arb is in some way going to benefit the Pirates down the road? i think thats his angle players dont give a fuck about that |
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Post by Mr mastodon farm on Feb 29, 2016 12:48:21 GMT -5
Boras guys dont re-sign with teams like the Pirates once their 6 years are up
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Post by bigddude on Feb 29, 2016 12:49:19 GMT -5
You always miss the point. Always. Is it your contention that throwing extra money at him pre-arb is in some way going to benefit the Pirates down the road? i think thats his angle players dont give a fuck about that I would hope the players see and get these finances of baseball. I just know that for me, I was quick to complain, but only because I was seeing things from my angle and reality, and not Cole's and other players.
I tend to do that, as I tend to only speak of thing I know of. Making 6-7 figures a year is something I know zero about.
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Post by bigddude on Feb 29, 2016 12:50:32 GMT -5
Boras guys dont re-sign with teams like the Pirates once their 6 years are up Too bad it is likely against the rules from the MLB owners to collude against Boras, like it is illegal for them to collude against players. |
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