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2017 off-season depth chart
General Manager – Reggie McKenzie
Head Coach – Jack Del Rio
Offensive Coordinator – Todd Downing
Defensive Coordinator – Ken Norton Jr.
Special Teams Coordinator – Brad Seely
OFFENSE
WR Crabtree, Michael U/SF Roberts, Seth CF14
WR Cooper, Amari 15/1 Holmes, Andre W/NE Holton, Johnny CF16
LT Penn, Donald CC/TB Watson, Menelik 13/2 Kirkland, Denver CF16
LG Osemele, Kelechi U/Bal Feliciano, Jon 15/4
C Hudson, Rodney U/KC Feliciano, Jon 15/4
RG Jackson, Gabe 14/3 Alexander Vadal 16/7
RT Howard, Austin U/NYJ
TE Smith, Lee U/Buf Walford, Clive 15/3 Rivera, Mychal 13/6 Holmes, Gabe CF15
QB Carr, Derek 14/2 McGloin, Matt CF13 Cook, Connor 16/4
FB Olawale, Jamize P/Dal
RB Murray, Latavius 13/6 Jones, Taiwan 11/4 Washington, DeAndre 16/5 Richard, Jalen CF16
DEFENSE
RDE Edwards Jr., Mario 15/2 Autry, Denico CF14 Jackson, Branden CF16
LDT McGee, Stacy 13/6 Latham, Darius CF16
NT Williams, Dan U/Arz Ellis, Justin 14/4
LDE Mack, Khalil 14/1 Ward, Jihad 16/2
SLB Irvin, Bruce U/Sea Calhoun, Shilique 16/3 Cowser, James CF16
MLB Heeney, Ben 15/5 James, Cory 16/6 Riley, Perry SF16
WLB Smith, Malcolm U/Sea Bates, Daren U/LA Adams, Tyrell SF16 Ball, Neiron 15/5
LCB Amerson, David W/Was Hayden, DJ 13/1 McDonald, Dexter 15/7 Hamilton, Antonio CF16
SS Joseph, Karl 16/1 McGill II, Keith 14/4
FS Nelson, Reggie U/Cin Allen, Nate U/Phi Trawick, Brynden R/Bal
RCB Smith, Sean U/KC Carrie, Travis 14/7 Edwards, SaQwan CF15
SPECIAL TEAMS
P King, Marquette CF12
K Janikowski, Sebastian 00/1
LS Condo, Jon SF06
PR Carrie, Travis 14/7 Washington, DeAndre 16/5 Richard, Jalen CF16
KR Jones, Taiwan 11/4 Washington, DeAndre 16/5 Holton, Johnny CF16
SUSPENDED
Smith, Aldon SUS/1 yr
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Post by Swamp Dragon on Feb 10, 2017 20:36:19 GMT -5
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Post by Otis B. Driftwood on Feb 13, 2017 9:20:14 GMT -5
Free Agent list | PLAYER | POS. | AGE | 2016 AAV | STATUS | | Malcolm Smith | ILB | 27 | $3,500,000 | UFA | | Nate Allen | FS | 29 | $3,000,000 | UFA | | D.J. Hayden | CB | 26 | $2,580,925 | UFA | | Matt McGloin | QB | 27 | $2,553,000 | UFA | | Andre Holmes | WR | 28 | $2,000,000 | UFA | | Menelik Watson | RT | 28 | $1,198,713 | UFA | | Jon Condo | LS | 35 | $1,066,667 | UFA | | Brynden Trawick | SS | 27 | $825,000 | UFA | | Perry Riley | ILB | 28 | $760,000 | UFA | | Daren Bates | ILB | 26 | $675,000 | UFA | | Denico Autry | DE | 26 | $600,000 | RFA | | Latavius Murray | RB | 25 | $566,550 | UFA | | Mychal Rivera | TE | 26 | $566,213 | UFA | | Stacy McGee | DT | 27 | $559,670 | UFA | | Gabe Holmes | TE | 25 | $525,000 | ERFA | | Seth Roberts | WR | 25 | $525,000 | ERFA | | SaQwan Edwards | CB | 24 | $480,000 | ERFA |
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Post by Mr mastodon farm on Feb 13, 2017 18:41:51 GMT -5
aldon smith = dumb fuck
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Post by Zig on Mar 6, 2017 17:58:17 GMT -5
Raiders secure Las Vegas financing from Bank of AmericaThe third time’s a charm, at least for now. After having a pair of potential financing partners for the Raiders’ proposed Las Vegas stadium bow out, the Raiders have lined up Bank of America to provide the remaining capital, according to Vincent Bonsignore of the Los Angeles Daily News. Previously, Sands casino owner Sheldon Adelson and investment firm Goldman Sachs had been separately lined up to kick in the $650 million needed to bridge the gap between the NFL/team contribution ($500 million) and the available taxpayer money ($750 million). The Raiders will still need to replace the expertise that Adelson would have provided from the perspective of stadium construction and operation. And they’ll need to worry about Adelson working behind the scenes to keep the Raiders out — since he reportedly intends to try to lure another team in. profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2017/03/06/raiders-secure-las-vegas-financing-from-bank-of-america/
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Post by Swamp Dragon on Mar 6, 2017 18:54:47 GMT -5
Raiders secure Las Vegas financing from Bank of AmericaThe third time’s a charm, at least for now. After having a pair of potential financing partners for the Raiders’ proposed Las Vegas stadium bow out, the Raiders have lined up Bank of America to provide the remaining capital, according to Vincent Bonsignore of the Los Angeles Daily News. Previously, Sands casino owner Sheldon Adelson and investment firm Goldman Sachs had been separately lined up to kick in the $650 million needed to bridge the gap between the NFL/team contribution ($500 million) and the available taxpayer money ($750 million). The Raiders will still need to replace the expertise that Adelson would have provided from the perspective of stadium construction and operation. And they’ll need to worry about Adelson working behind the scenes to keep the Raiders out — since he reportedly intends to try to lure another team in. profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2017/03/06/raiders-secure-las-vegas-financing-from-bank-of-america/ Okay Pete you can jump back on the Vegas Raiders bandwagon again |
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Post by dyhard on Mar 7, 2017 7:34:39 GMT -5
already knew that was going to happen. nobody was going to pass up a chance to finance the Raiders to get a stadium built in Vegas. you know how much potential capital that is that hasn't been touched yet? it'd be stupid to pass that up!
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Post by Stormy Rottman: RIP Backroads on Mar 8, 2017 12:27:33 GMT -5
already knew that was going to happen. nobody was going to pass up a chance to finance the Raiders to get a stadium built in Vegas. you know how much potential capital that is that hasn't been touched yet? it'd be stupid to pass that up! The only question being what are the Raiders putting up as collateral? That can't put up the new stadium, since they won't own it. I guess they'll figure it out. NFL was not going to pass up a free $750M handout. |
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Post by Swamp Dragon on Mar 18, 2017 12:33:04 GMT -5
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Post by dyhard on Mar 26, 2017 3:01:56 GMT -5
already knew that was going to happen. nobody was going to pass up a chance to finance the Raiders to get a stadium built in Vegas. you know how much potential capital that is that hasn't been touched yet? it'd be stupid to pass that up! The only question being what are the Raiders putting up as collateral? That can't put up the new stadium, since they won't own it. I guess they'll figure it out. NFL was not going to pass up a free $750M handout. Well, the news now is Oakland has made a last ditch effort to try & get Oakland to stay. The voting happens on Monday. If the league approves, Oakland is gone in a second. |
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Post by Otis B. Driftwood on Mar 27, 2017 8:22:19 GMT -5
The only question being what are the Raiders putting up as collateral? That can't put up the new stadium, since they won't own it. I guess they'll figure it out. NFL was not going to pass up a free $750M handout. Well, the news now is Oakland has made a last ditch effort to try & get Oakland to stay. The voting happens on Monday. If the league approves, Oakland is gone in a second. Doesn't matter what Oakland wants, dyhard. Hasn't mattered all along. The LEAGUE wants to be in Vegas. It's what the owners want and it's what Goodell wants. Oakland and their fans were nothing more than pawns. Davis has wanted to leave Oakland ever since his dad croaked. He finally gets his wish. |
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Post by Peter Gozintite on Mar 27, 2017 20:10:44 GMT -5
Oaklands politicians are as much to blame as anyone else. Thank you oakland!
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Post by Stormy Rottman: RIP Backroads on Mar 30, 2017 12:45:06 GMT -5
Oaklands politicians are as much to blame as anyone else. Thank you oakland! You mean by not publicly subsidizing a new stadium? You mean by thinking of the actual people who live in their city and not underwriting a billion dollar stadium that does little to improve the economic quality of life for the people who actually live there? Or do you mean by not giving $750 million (oh yes, it's coming from tourists. That doesn't mean it's not fungible) to a football team instead of paying your teachers better, or putting more money into police and firefighters? Honestly I think at this point Oakland is very willing to let Vegas take them off their hands. |
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Post by Peter Gozintite on Mar 30, 2017 13:04:44 GMT -5
Oaklands politicians are as much to blame as anyone else. Thank you oakland! You mean by not publicly subsidizing a new stadium? You mean by thinking of the actual people who live in their city and not underwriting a billion dollar stadium that does little to improve the economic quality of life for the people who actually live there? Or do you mean by not giving $750 million (oh yes, it's coming from tourists. That doesn't mean it's not fungible) to a football team instead of paying your teachers better, or putting more money into police and firefighters? Honestly I think at this point Oakland is very willing to let Vegas take them off their hands. They have had the better part of a decade to figure something out. Thats what I mean. So if the FANS are pissed, thats is where they should direct their anger. The stadium in Vegas is going to be more than just a football stadium for the Raiders. It is going to benefit UNLV as much as anything. It gives UNLV to potential to possibly get into a major conference, not tomorrow, but eventually. It will be a major draw, being that it is Vegas, for major events. The city is Superbowl ready, any giant concerts will have to stop here. It might sound stupid, but Wrestle Mania will be a packed venue. Not sure Oakland would benefit as much as Vegas does, simply from it being a destination that is on many people's radar who would be circling their calendars to come here. Not like people are doing that for Oakland. Like," Oh man, U2 is going to be playing in Oakland, We have to go!" is not a thing that people say. Not that I like U2, but as an example, the same concert in Vegas is going to have a bigger draw. So I guess since you want to call my city stupid for approving it, so be it. Its done, they will be in Vegas, and the stadium is big for Vegas, not just the Raiders. |
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Post by Swamp Dragon on Mar 30, 2017 17:30:58 GMT -5
You mean by not publicly subsidizing a new stadium? You mean by thinking of the actual people who live in their city and not underwriting a billion dollar stadium that does little to improve the economic quality of life for the people who actually live there? Or do you mean by not giving $750 million (oh yes, it's coming from tourists. That doesn't mean it's not fungible) to a football team instead of paying your teachers better, or putting more money into police and firefighters? Honestly I think at this point Oakland is very willing to let Vegas take them off their hands. They have had the better part of a decade to figure something out. Thats what I mean. So if the FANS are pissed, thats is where they should direct their anger. The stadium in Vegas is going to be more than just a football stadium for the Raiders. It is going to benefit UNLV as much as anything. It gives UNLV to potential to possibly get into a major conference, not tomorrow, but eventually. It will be a major draw, being that it is Vegas, for major events. The city is Superbowl ready, any giant concerts will have to stop here. It might sound stupid, but Wrestle Mania will be a packed venue. Not sure Oakland would benefit as much as Vegas does, simply from it being a destination that is on many people's radar who would be circling their calendars to come here. Not like people are doing that for Oakland. Like," Oh man, U2 is going to be playing in Oakland, We have to go!" is not a thing that people say. Not that I like U2, but as an example, the same concert in Vegas is going to have a bigger draw. So I guess since you want to call my city stupid for approving it, so be it. Its done, they will be in Vegas, and the stadium is big for Vegas, not just the Raiders. Maybe of tourists but the Bay area population dwarfs greater Las Vegas and doesn't need tourists to sell out shows |
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Post by Peter Gozintite on Mar 31, 2017 9:10:36 GMT -5
They have had the better part of a decade to figure something out. Thats what I mean. So if the FANS are pissed, thats is where they should direct their anger. The stadium in Vegas is going to be more than just a football stadium for the Raiders. It is going to benefit UNLV as much as anything. It gives UNLV to potential to possibly get into a major conference, not tomorrow, but eventually. It will be a major draw, being that it is Vegas, for major events. The city is Superbowl ready, any giant concerts will have to stop here. It might sound stupid, but Wrestle Mania will be a packed venue. Not sure Oakland would benefit as much as Vegas does, simply from it being a destination that is on many people's radar who would be circling their calendars to come here. Not like people are doing that for Oakland. Like," Oh man, U2 is going to be playing in Oakland, We have to go!" is not a thing that people say. Not that I like U2, but as an example, the same concert in Vegas is going to have a bigger draw. So I guess since you want to call my city stupid for approving it, so be it. Its done, they will be in Vegas, and the stadium is big for Vegas, not just the Raiders. Maybe of tourists but the Bay area population dwarfs greater Las Vegas and doesn't need tourists to sell out shows Yeah, OK. The Bay area now? So are we counting San Fran as part of Oakland? There is over 2 million people here, well over, there is plenty here too. Keep picking out one tiny little thing to dispute though. We wont be relying on outside visitors, but there will be no shortage of them for every single event that does happen. Seriously, did you lose your savings here, or did a hooker rob you in Vegas? You seem to have this embedded dislike for it. |
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Post by Stormy Rottman: RIP Backroads on Mar 31, 2017 11:02:54 GMT -5
Maybe of tourists but the Bay area population dwarfs greater Las Vegas and doesn't need tourists to sell out shows Yeah, OK. The Bay area now? So are we counting San Fran as part of Oakland? There is over 2 million people here, well over, there is plenty here too. Keep picking out one tiny little thing to dispute though. We wont be relying on outside visitors, but there will be no shortage of them for every single event that does happen. Seriously, did you lose your savings here, or did a hooker rob you in Vegas? You seem to have this embedded dislike for it. Most people who go to Raider games in Oakland are not from Oakland. It IS a greater Bay Area event. So you are talking about upwards of 7 million people, and yes that does dwarf 2 million. Al Davis had a chance to be involved with what eventually became Levi's Stadium. They had a chance to even be a part of the site location process (and it sure as hell wouldn't have been Santa Clara with no areas for tailgaiting if that had happened) But THE RAIDERS - not City of Oakland - bowed out. Whether it was because petty differences or that Al was just plain fucking senile at that point we'll never know. So blaming the City of Oakland - look this Oakland we're talking about, not exactly the diamond of the Bay Area - for the Raiders leaving is a bit of a cheap shot, imo. This was all Mark Davis' doing. The same Mark Davis that bought the url lasvegasraiders.com 20 years ago. But at the end of the day it doesn't matter now. Maybe it won't be a disaster. |
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Post by Peter Gozintite on Mar 31, 2017 18:05:01 GMT -5
Yeah, OK. The Bay area now? So are we counting San Fran as part of Oakland? There is over 2 million people here, well over, there is plenty here too. Keep picking out one tiny little thing to dispute though. We wont be relying on outside visitors, but there will be no shortage of them for every single event that does happen. Seriously, did you lose your savings here, or did a hooker rob you in Vegas? You seem to have this embedded dislike for it. . It IS a greater Bay Area event. So you are talking about upwards of 7 million people, and yes that does dwarf 2 million. Al Davis had a chance to be involved with what eventually became Levi's Stadium. They had a chance to even be a part of the site location process (and it sure as hell wouldn't have been Santa Clara with no areas for tailgaiting if that had happened) But THE RAIDERS - not City of Oakland - bowed out. Whether it was because petty differences or that Al was just plain fucking senile at that point we'll never know. So blaming the City of Oakland - look this Oakland we're talking about, not exactly the diamond of the Bay Area - for the Raiders leaving is a bit of a cheap shot, imo. This was all Mark Davis' doing. The same Mark Davis that bought the url lasvegasraiders.com 20 years ago. But at the end of the day it doesn't matter now. Maybe it won't be a disaster. To the Bold; Ok, Most people? Isnt there like a 1000 little shit cities in the "Bay Area"? I guess there are more Raider fans in San Francisco and vice versa. Why would any owner want to share a stadium? Didnt say blame the city, I said the politicians. Fuck Oakland, they bascially chose baseball over football. Youre right, it doenst matter, idgaf to argue with you guys about it anymore. You guys were all skeptical and talking about how it wasnt likely to happen, and blah blah blah. Now its about who to blame. wgaf. Sin City Raiders has a nice ring to it. |
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Post by Swamp Dragon on Apr 1, 2017 22:34:39 GMT -5
Maybe of tourists but the Bay area population dwarfs greater Las Vegas and doesn't need tourists to sell out shows Yeah, OK. The Bay area now? So are we counting San Fran as part of Oakland? There is over 2 million people here, well over, there is plenty here too. Keep picking out one tiny little thing to dispute though. We wont be relying on outside visitors, but there will be no shortage of them for every single event that does happen. Seriously, did you lose your savings here, or did a hooker rob you in Vegas? You seem to have this embedded dislike for it. Give your head a shake Peter last time I was in San Fran Oakland was just a bridge away San Jose ain't very far either over 8.7 Million in their combined greater Metro area, which is barely under 3 TIMES the population of the State of Nevada |
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Post by Swamp Dragon on Apr 1, 2017 23:26:45 GMT -5
Most people who go to Raider games in Oakland are not from Oakland. It IS a greater Bay Area event. So you are talking about upwards of 7 million people, and yes that does dwarf 2 million. Al Davis had a chance to be involved with what eventually became Levi's Stadium. They had a chance to even be a part of the site location process (and it sure as hell wouldn't have been Santa Clara with no areas for tailgaiting if that had happened) But THE RAIDERS - not City of Oakland - bowed out. Whether it was because petty differences or that Al was just plain fucking senile at that point we'll never know. So blaming the City of Oakland - look this Oakland we're talking about, not exactly the diamond of the Bay Area - for the Raiders leaving is a bit of a cheap shot, imo. This was all Mark Davis' doing. The same Mark Davis that bought the url lasvegasraiders.com 20 years ago. But at the end of the day it doesn't matter now. Maybe it won't be a disaster. To the Bold; Ok, Most people? Isnt there like a 1000 little shit cities in the "Bay Area"? I guess there are more Raider fans in San Francisco and vice versa. Why would any owner want to share a stadium? Didnt say blame the city, I said the politicians.Fuck Oakland, they bascially chose baseball over football. Youre right, it doenst matter, idgaf to argue with you guys about it anymore. You guys were all skeptical and talking about how it wasnt likely to happen, and blah blah blah. Now its about who to blame. wgaf. Sin City Raiders has a nice ring to it. Let's see a billion dollar investment that you used 10-12 times a year. That a good enough reason What blame a politician for being fiscally responsible. You have any idea how many emergency personnel (police, fire paramedics, nurses doctors) be hired with 750 Million dollars Baseball no they want a new park too, they may end up in Montreal the way things are going I never said it was unlikely you were saying them were definitely coming and I just showed a few examples of other franchises that were definitely moving and didn't. Until the other owners said yes and they gave them a sweetheart relocation fee of only 300M or so compared to the 650 the Rams and Chargers paid. There still is that obstacle as Davis is equity rich and cash poor, after all his dad stole the team basically, and like the Bengals Brown he isn't part of the billionaires boys club of owners. He is over extended putting this deal together and there is still the possibility, however slim at this point, that the house of cards gets blown over. Saw it happen here when the owner of the Canucks bought the Grizzlies and built an arena with no government money only to watch the Canadian dollar plummet and his money crisis forced him to take on an investor who then forced him out sold the BB team which moved to Memphis, funny the crappy team we had here still drew better that the current competitive team in Memphis, but I digress. The moral is until they sign the actual agreement and the shovel hits the ground there is always a likelihood that the team doesn't make it to Vegas although at this point I'd say less that 10% chance they stay due to some unforeseen circumstance that hasn't reared it's head as of yet. So watch for the formal agreement and shovel ceremony |
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Post by dyhard on Apr 2, 2017 2:04:31 GMT -5
Well, the news now is Oakland has made a last ditch effort to try & get Oakland to stay. The voting happens on Monday. If the league approves, Oakland is gone in a second. Doesn't matter what Oakland wants, dyhard . Hasn't mattered all along. The LEAGUE wants to be in Vegas. It's what the owners want and it's what Goodell wants. Oakland and their fans were nothing more than pawns. Davis has wanted to leave Oakland ever since his dad croaked. He finally gets his wish. Goodell didn't like what they said anyway...he just trashed it. But yeah, like an owner said, gambling will be legal everywhere soon, so the NFL will prepare sooner by moving a team to Las Vegas. |
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Post by Swamp Dragon on Apr 2, 2017 10:22:48 GMT -5
Doesn't matter what Oakland wants, dyhard . Hasn't mattered all along. The LEAGUE wants to be in Vegas. It's what the owners want and it's what Goodell wants. Oakland and their fans were nothing more than pawns. Davis has wanted to leave Oakland ever since his dad croaked. He finally gets his wish. ...he just trashed it. But yeah, like an owner said, gambling will be legal everywhere soon, so the NFL will prepare sooner by moving a team to Las Vegas. The Davis' have been trying unsuccessfully since 1980 to get a new stadium in Oakland, yes they moved for a dozen or so of those years but they've been back over 20 and still they play at the only stadium where baseball and football still co-exist. There was nothing that Oakland was going to say last gasp that was going to change minds. A case of too little too late |
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Post by dyhard on Apr 2, 2017 13:16:38 GMT -5
Goodell didn't like what they said anyway...he just trashed it. But yeah, like an owner said, gambling will be legal everywhere soon, so the NFL will prepare sooner by moving a team to Las Vegas. The Davis' have been trying unsuccessfully since 1980 to get a new stadium in Oakland, yes they moved for a dozen or so of those years but they've been back over 20 and still they play at the only stadium where baseball and football still co-exist. There was nothing that Oakland was going to say last gasp that was going to change minds. A case of too little too late I'm aware of that, my comment was in agreement with Otis... |
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Post by Swamp Dragon on Apr 2, 2017 15:34:12 GMT -5
The Davis' have been trying unsuccessfully since 1980 to get a new stadium in Oakland, yes they moved for a dozen or so of those years but they've been back over 20 and still they play at the only stadium where baseball and football still co-exist. There was nothing that Oakland was going to say last gasp that was going to change minds. A case of too little too late I'm aware of that, my comment was in agreement with Otis... Oh my bad |
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Post by dyhard on Apr 3, 2017 4:16:46 GMT -5
I'm aware of that, my comment was in agreement with Otis... Oh my bad It's all good. |
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Post by Stormy Rottman: RIP Backroads on Apr 4, 2017 16:29:42 GMT -5
To the Bold; Ok, Most people? Isnt there like a 1000 little shit cities in the "Bay Area"? I guess there are more Raider fans in San Francisco and vice versa. Why would any owner want to share a stadium? Didnt say blame the city, I said the politicians.Fuck Oakland, they bascially chose baseball over football. Youre right, it doenst matter, idgaf to argue with you guys about it anymore. You guys were all skeptical and talking about how it wasnt likely to happen, and blah blah blah. Now its about who to blame. wgaf. Sin City Raiders has a nice ring to it. Let's see a billion dollar investment that you used 10-12 times a year. That a good enough reason What blame a politician for being fiscally responsible. You have any idea how many emergency personnel (police, fire paramedics, nurses doctors) be hired with 750 Million dollars Baseball no they want a new park too, they may end up in Montreal the way things are going I never said it was unlikely you were saying them were definitely coming and I just showed a few examples of other franchises that were definitely moving and didn't. Until the other owners said yes and they gave them a sweetheart relocation fee of only 300M or so compared to the 650 the Rams and Chargers paid. There still is that obstacle as Davis is equity rich and cash poor, after all his dad stole the team basically, and like the Bengals Brown he isn't part of the billionaires boys club of owners. He is over extended putting this deal together and there is still the possibility, however slim at this point, that the house of cards gets blown over. Saw it happen here when the owner of the Canucks bought the Grizzlies and built an arena with no government money only to watch the Canadian dollar plummet and his money crisis forced him to take on an investor who then forced him out sold the BB team which moved to Memphis, funny the crappy team we had here still drew better that the current competitive team in Memphis, but I digress. The moral is until they sign the actual agreement and the shovel hits the ground there is always a likelihood that the team doesn't make it to Vegas although at this point I'd say less that 10% chance they stay due to some unforeseen circumstance that hasn't reared it's head as of yet. So watch for the formal agreement and shovel ceremony The difference being the A's are aware (and have been for the several years they've been trying to get their own stadium built) that they will be paying for it themselves or with private money. And all that NFL party-line about the A's lease being a roadblock was utter bullshit propagated by the NFL's chorus line of subsidized bloggers. Sin City Raiders? Exactly. Sounds like a team you plan a road trip for so you can go cheer for your team to beat them, right after you watch Britney Spears or your wife drags you to see Cirque de So Gay. You'll never be what the Oakland Raiders were. |
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Post by Swamp Dragon on Apr 4, 2017 17:18:25 GMT -5
Let's see a billion dollar investment that you used 10-12 times a year. That a good enough reason What blame a politician for being fiscally responsible. You have any idea how many emergency personnel (police, fire paramedics, nurses doctors) be hired with 750 Million dollars Baseball no they want a new park too, they may end up in Montreal the way things are going I never said it was unlikely you were saying them were definitely coming and I just showed a few examples of other franchises that were definitely moving and didn't. Until the other owners said yes and they gave them a sweetheart relocation fee of only 300M or so compared to the 650 the Rams and Chargers paid. There still is that obstacle as Davis is equity rich and cash poor, after all his dad stole the team basically, and like the Bengals Brown he isn't part of the billionaires boys club of owners. He is over extended putting this deal together and there is still the possibility, however slim at this point, that the house of cards gets blown over. Saw it happen here when the owner of the Canucks bought the Grizzlies and built an arena with no government money only to watch the Canadian dollar plummet and his money crisis forced him to take on an investor who then forced him out sold the BB team which moved to Memphis, funny the crappy team we had here still drew better that the current competitive team in Memphis, but I digress. The moral is until they sign the actual agreement and the shovel hits the ground there is always a likelihood that the team doesn't make it to Vegas although at this point I'd say less that 10% chance they stay due to some unforeseen circumstance that hasn't reared it's head as of yet. So watch for the formal agreement and shovel ceremony The difference being the A's are aware (and have been for the several years they've been trying to get their own stadium built) that they will be paying for it themselves or with private money. And all that NFL party-line about the A's lease being a roadblock was utter bullshit propagated by the NFL's chorus line of subsidized bloggers. Sin City Raiders? Exactly. Sounds like a team you plan a road trip for so you can go cheer for your team to beat them, right after you watch Britney Spears or your wife drags you to see Cirque de So Gay. You'll never be what the Oakland Raiders were. Surprised the fans in Oakland aren't demanding to keep the name "Raiders" like Cleveland did. Let Vegas have to start a new identity like the Ravens had to |
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Post by Peter Gozintite on Apr 5, 2017 13:03:23 GMT -5
To the Bold; Ok, Most people? Isnt there like a 1000 little shit cities in the "Bay Area"? I guess there are more Raider fans in San Francisco and vice versa. Why would any owner want to share a stadium? Didnt say blame the city, I said the politicians.Fuck Oakland, they bascially chose baseball over football. Youre right, it doenst matter, idgaf to argue with you guys about it anymore. You guys were all skeptical and talking about how it wasnt likely to happen, and blah blah blah. Now its about who to blame. wgaf. Sin City Raiders has a nice ring to it. Let's see a billion dollar investment that you used 10-12 times a year. That a good enough reason What blame a politician for being fiscally responsible. You have any idea how many emergency personnel (police, fire paramedics, nurses doctors) be hired with 750 Million dollars Baseball no they want a new park too, they may end up in Montreal the way things are going I never said it was unlikely you were saying them were definitely coming and I just showed a few examples of other franchises that were definitely moving and didn't. Until the other owners said yes and they gave them a sweetheart relocation fee of only 300M or so compared to the 650 the Rams and Chargers paid. There still is that obstacle as Davis is equity rich and cash poor, after all his dad stole the team basically, and like the Bengals Brown he isn't part of the billionaires boys club of owners. He is over extended putting this deal together and there is still the possibility, however slim at this point, that the house of cards gets blown over. Saw it happen here when the owner of the Canucks bought the Grizzlies and built an arena with no government money only to watch the Canadian dollar plummet and his money crisis forced him to take on an investor who then forced him out sold the BB team which moved to Memphis, funny the crappy team we had here still drew better that the current competitive team in Memphis, but I digress. The moral is until they sign the actual agreement and the shovel hits the ground there is always a likelihood that the team doesn't make it to Vegas although at this point I'd say less that 10% chance they stay due to some unforeseen circumstance that hasn't reared it's head as of yet. So watch for the formal agreement and shovel ceremony I am not reading this |
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Post by Swamp Dragon on Apr 5, 2017 15:40:13 GMT -5
Let's see a billion dollar investment that you used 10-12 times a year. That a good enough reason What blame a politician for being fiscally responsible. You have any idea how many emergency personnel (police, fire paramedics, nurses doctors) be hired with 750 Million dollars Baseball no they want a new park too, they may end up in Montreal the way things are going I never said it was unlikely you were saying them were definitely coming and I just showed a few examples of other franchises that were definitely moving and didn't. Until the other owners said yes and they gave them a sweetheart relocation fee of only 300M or so compared to the 650 the Rams and Chargers paid. There still is that obstacle as Davis is equity rich and cash poor, after all his dad stole the team basically, and like the Bengals Brown he isn't part of the billionaires boys club of owners. He is over extended putting this deal together and there is still the possibility, however slim at this point, that the house of cards gets blown over. Saw it happen here when the owner of the Canucks bought the Grizzlies and built an arena with no government money only to watch the Canadian dollar plummet and his money crisis forced him to take on an investor who then forced him out sold the BB team which moved to Memphis, funny the crappy team we had here still drew better that the current competitive team in Memphis, but I digress. The moral is until they sign the actual agreement and the shovel hits the ground there is always a likelihood that the team doesn't make it to Vegas although at this point I'd say less that 10% chance they stay due to some unforeseen circumstance that hasn't reared it's head as of yet. So watch for the formal agreement and shovel ceremony I am not reading this Okay ostrich |
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Post by Otis B. Driftwood on Apr 5, 2017 16:37:09 GMT -5
Read this!
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