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Post by jets12 on Mar 10, 2017 9:51:20 GMT -5
Dirk is not top 10. He is not getting pushed out of top 10, he was never top 10. I wont even pretend to know if he is or not ... i dont follow enough but he was one of the best I have ever seen. not being top 10 isnt a big deal Well yeah, he's top 10 in that generation, sure fire HOF. Not all time. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2017 9:51:46 GMT -5
for fucks sake i didnt say DIRK was pushed out of the top 10, i said guys get pushed out all the time in every sport. gordie how was the best hockey player of all time for decades. unitas was the best QB., etc. i said IMO, dirk is a top 10 player...on the edge of that list. What older player are you pushing out? no idea. i havent made a list. probably someone in knee pads with a belt. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2017 9:54:34 GMT -5
30k points
has a ring
considered the best player ever to come out of europe
changed the way big men are used on the floor (outside threat)
i dunno...maybe its just me.
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Post by jets12 on Mar 10, 2017 9:57:18 GMT -5
What older player are you pushing out? no idea. i havent made a list. probably someone in knee pads with a belt. In fairness I hate GOAT arguments, whether it's one guy or 10 guys. Dirk is a compiler. Does that help him or hurt him? There are no rules for the list. In their prime, I'd take Duncan and KG over Dirk.....just to stick with 4s of that generation. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2017 10:02:36 GMT -5
no idea. i havent made a list. probably someone in knee pads with a belt. In fairness I hate GOAT arguments, whether it's one guy or 10 guys. Dirk is a compiler. Does that help him or hurt him? There are no rules for the list. In their prime, I'd take Duncan and KG over Dirk.....just to stick with 4s of that generation. i hate these lists too, theyre subjective. that being said id take duncan and KG over dirk because their games were different. id want an inside presence that can rebound on both ends. dirk definitely wasnt that guy, but he was the first 7 footer to really develop his game not just outside of the paint, but outside of 3. do you think if theres no dirk, guys like olynik become outside playing 7 footers? |
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Post by mrpickles on Mar 10, 2017 10:02:52 GMT -5
1. Jordan
2. Lebron
3. Duncan
4. Kobe
5. Dream
6. Shaq
(not ordered)
Those are all slam dunks I've seen better than Dirk. I'd probably put him 7
So were gonna say that there are 4 spots left all time. Is Dirk better than 4 of these?
Dr J
Wilt
Russel
Big O
Magic
Bird
Kareem
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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2017 10:03:20 GMT -5
30k points has a ring considered the best player ever to come out of europe changed the way big men are used on the floor (outside threat) i dunno...maybe its just me. And all this time I thought Larry Bird changed the way big men are used on the floor. |
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Post by mrpickles on Mar 10, 2017 10:03:57 GMT -5
Id take Dirk over KG all day ... KG never did shit without 2 other HOF'ers
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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2017 10:04:28 GMT -5
30k points has a ring considered the best player ever to come out of europe changed the way big men are used on the floor (outside threat) i dunno...maybe its just me. And all this time I thought Larry Bird changed the way big men are used on the floor. larry was 6'9 im talking legit 7 footers who used to be glued to the blocks. |
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Post by jets12 on Mar 10, 2017 10:06:07 GMT -5
In fairness I hate GOAT arguments, whether it's one guy or 10 guys. Dirk is a compiler. Does that help him or hurt him? There are no rules for the list. In their prime, I'd take Duncan and KG over Dirk.....just to stick with 4s of that generation. i hate these lists too, theyre subjective. that being said id take duncan and KG over dirk because their games were different. id want an inside presence that can rebound on both ends. dirk definitely wasnt that guy, but he was the first 7 footer to really develop his game not just outside of the paint, but outside of 3. do you think if theres no dirk, guys like olynik become outside playing 7 footers? Well just because I don't think he's top 10 all time doesn't mean I think he sucks. He was very influential on the game and will be a 1st ballot HOF player. (I assume, no idea how tick tacky the basketball HOF is) |
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Post by jets12 on Mar 10, 2017 10:07:26 GMT -5
Id take Dirk over KG all day ... KG never did shit without 2 other HOF'ers KG's biggest fault was staying loyal to Minnesota for so long. He was in a stacked west on an awful franchise. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2017 10:09:55 GMT -5
And all this time I thought Larry Bird changed the way big men are used on the floor. larry was 6'9 im talking legit 7 footers who used to be glued to the blocks. When Bird broke in in the late 70s, 6'9" was considered a big. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2017 10:13:03 GMT -5
larry was 6'9 im talking legit 7 footers who used to be glued to the blocks. When Bird broke in in the late 70s, 6'9" was considered a big. yup. and he had his era, as did magic as a 6'9 guard. both guys brought a new perspective to how size doesnt necessarily dictate position or skill set. again, we are onto 7 footers. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2017 10:19:10 GMT -5
When Bird broke in in the late 70s, 6'9" was considered a big. yup. and he had his era, as did magic as a 6'9 guard. both guys brought a new perspective to how size doesnt necessarily dictate position or skill set. again, we are onto 7 footers. Your original post said nothing about 7 footers. You said 'big men'. Again, Bird was considered a big in his era and redefined a big man's usage long before Dirk did. |
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Post by b1ake on Mar 10, 2017 10:28:20 GMT -5
Dirk is not top ten...Top 20, yes...Top 10, nah...He wasn't even the best PF of his era...
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Post by The Bag on Mar 10, 2017 10:33:20 GMT -5
That is in no way meant to be a knock-on dirk either. He was a fantastic player. But outside of the one-year his team never really contended for championships. There is just so much Elite Talent throughout the history of the league that numbers just aren't enough. You have to have the hardware on your fingers. Paul pierce "top 30 ever" Dirk "gotta have the hardware" Both with one title. |
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Post by Chappion on Mar 10, 2017 10:39:00 GMT -5
larry was 6'9 im talking legit 7 footers who used to be glued to the blocks. When Bird broke in in the late 70s, 6'9" was considered a big. McHale and Parrish were bigger. Bird was a small forward. |
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Post by b1ake on Mar 10, 2017 10:47:01 GMT -5
Is Westbrook back to being the MVP with you fickle fucks?
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Post by jets12 on Mar 10, 2017 10:49:25 GMT -5
Is Westbrook back to being the MVP with you fickle fucks? It's a 4 man race. If the Spurs get the 1 seed, I think Leonard gets it. Big game for Westbrook last night though. |
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Post by OXlodge on Mar 10, 2017 10:50:20 GMT -5
Is Westbrook back to being the MVP with you fickle fucks? It's a 4 man race. If the Spurs get the 1 seed, I think Leonard gets it. Big game for Westbrook last night though. Didn't Leonard leave the game last night? |
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Post by OXlodge on Mar 10, 2017 10:51:03 GMT -5
Is Westbrook still averaging a triple double?
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Post by OXlodge on Mar 10, 2017 10:52:54 GMT -5
I remember back in November I was the idiot for thinking he could be able to sustain averaging a triple double all season. Because his usage rate is historic. "He won't make it past 20 games you idiot".
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Post by jets12 on Mar 10, 2017 10:52:54 GMT -5
It's a 4 man race. If the Spurs get the 1 seed, I think Leonard gets it. Big game for Westbrook last night though. Didn't Leonard leave the game last night? Nothing long term, I don't think anyway. |
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Post by b1ake on Mar 10, 2017 10:54:24 GMT -5
Is Westbrook back to being the MVP with you fickle fucks? It's a 4 man race. If the Spurs get the 1 seed, I think Leonard gets it. Big game for Westbrook last night though. If Westbrook doesn't get it, I think Harden ends up with it. Leonard is 3rd banana on my list. |
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Post by OXlodge on Mar 10, 2017 10:55:04 GMT -5
Didn't Leonard leave the game last night? Nothing long term, I don't think anyway. He got a head injury with 2:30 left in the 3rd. Didn't play the 4th. Might miss tomorrow's game. |
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Post by b1ake on Mar 10, 2017 10:56:25 GMT -5
Is Westbrook still averaging a triple double? He is...I damn sure didn't think he could keep it up... One thing is for sure, Mark Cuban is a jackass... |
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Post by OXlodge on Mar 10, 2017 11:12:33 GMT -5
Is Westbrook still averaging a triple double? He is...I damn sure didn't think he could keep it up... One thing is for sure, Mark Cuban is a jackass... His usage rate is unbelievable. I think he does it. And he's got some guys who can shoot a little to help inlfate the assist category. And the guy is just all over the court so he's able to have a rebound fall into his lap. |
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Post by tigertowner 68 on Mar 10, 2017 11:21:49 GMT -5
I never saw most of them play And Im a firm believer that modern day players with modern day rules would destroy the old turds of yesteryear Modern day players with modern rules? Sure, but the modern rules give them a huge advantage. That's what makes it so hard to compare players from different era.
You could just as easily say that today's players against 1970s players, with sports science knowledge and nutrition knowledge of the 70s, playing with the rules enforced in the 70s, would get their asses kicked.
This is a point that has never been made to my knowledge. And a really good point, too. |
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Post by b1ake on Mar 10, 2017 11:23:28 GMT -5
He is...I damn sure didn't think he could keep it up... One thing is for sure, Mark Cuban is a jackass... His usage rate is unbelievable. I think he does it. And he's got some guys who can shoot a little to help inlfate the assist category. And the guy is just all over the court so he's able to have a rebound fall into his lap. The pickup of McDermott should help...I don't even see his assists as being inflated, he handles the ball so much for that team so it's likely he'll be the guy passing the ball before a shot is taken. |
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Post by OXlodge on Mar 10, 2017 12:13:54 GMT -5
His usage rate is unbelievable. I think he does it. And he's got some guys who can shoot a little to help inlfate the assist category. And the guy is just all over the court so he's able to have a rebound fall into his lap. The pickup of McDermott should help...I don't even see his assists as being inflated, he handles the ball so much for that team so it's likely he'll be the guy passing the ball before a shot is taken. His usage rate is 42.2% to date. That's just insane. |
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