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Post by down38str8 on May 30, 2014 9:57:53 GMT -5
So you admit that your belief in the origin of existence is based on a theory that requires an unexplained natural phenomenum. that, as history shows..will one day be revealed...by science we didnt know dark matter existed until not too long ago Dark Matter has been around for a long time, it's in response to some holes in relativity...They still don't "know"...there was a segment of the presentation on Dark matter at that event I mentioned... The math says it should be there...as we can't account for upwards of 95% of the mass of the universe in order for gravity to exist as we observe it...but we've never observed it...and right now they simply theorize it exists. They are attempting to detect it though... |
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Post by down38str8 on May 30, 2014 9:59:39 GMT -5
And the deepest philosophical question... Why? The answers are all theoretical, and physicists have a hard time explaining how the entire universe on a macro scale is expanding, everything is moving away from everything else...however, at smaller scales, everything is attracting... which, at the rate science is explaining things..will be revealed maybe within our liftetimes remember man, 200 years ago we had no lightbulbs, cars, internet, etc and how old is this planet? we're on the fast track to knowledge they're no closer today than Einstein was 80 years ago... |
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Post by Deleted on May 30, 2014 10:03:09 GMT -5
that, as history shows..will one day be revealed...by science we didnt know dark matter existed until not too long ago As of right now, today, gravity is an unexplained natural phenomenum. And it's primary difference from lightening and dark matter is that it has no physical presence. In theory, it does not exist because it has no presence. And despite the fact that it can't currently be expolained, you have faith that one day it will be explained. Sounds familiar. read my words scienece has a several hundred year history of explaining things, and will continue to do so as we progress religion? |
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Post by Deleted on May 30, 2014 10:04:08 GMT -5
Of course I do. And we don't have to fight about it. You've made a definitive statement that the Bible is entirely allegorical. Based on, what? Are there no Jewish people in the world? The synagogues, the temple in Jerusalem, the circumcision, the dietary laws, the whole Exodus thingy...none of that stuff actually happened? It's all mentioned in the Bible. You're saying Pete's actually a myth? So, we could possibly revise that statement to say, "Rock believes most of the Bible to be allegorical," and I would have no further comment on that. I really don't know if Jonah was swallowed by a shark or not, or if Russell Crowe herded a bunch of animals on a boat, but the stories teach me something important about who I am and who God is. Some of those stories can be allegory, and at the same time Jesus can be a real historical figure. Works for me. based on things like you just said about wheat and voices...its not wheat, its gods people...and the shephards voice is the voice of god, not an actual shephard. thats allegory jesus was a real person who existed...but he had syphillis from having sex with prostitutes..as disease, primarily STD's, were beyond rampant in the time of jesus. this disease, or whatever he suffered from, caused him to have halucinations...visions...of god, hear voices, etc. people, being naive at the time and searching for answers, followed this mans sypillis riddled statements and beliefs...hard to blame the people back then, they shit in the streets. also, did you know the ark...the big massive ark...the unit of measure the bible uses for that (i forget the term) is the equivalent of the length of your hand to your elbow...and the ark, was 3 of these units of measure i believe. If syphillis was common place at that time, then people suffering from syphillis-related hallicinations would have also been common place and therefore someone suffering from said hallucinations would be recognized as such by the general populance, causing people to turn away from him rather than follow him. In other words, your theory contradicts itself. |
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Post by Deleted on May 30, 2014 10:08:11 GMT -5
based on things like you just said about wheat and voices...its not wheat, its gods people...and the shephards voice is the voice of god, not an actual shephard. thats allegory jesus was a real person who existed...but he had syphillis from having sex with prostitutes..as disease, primarily STD's, were beyond rampant in the time of jesus. this disease, or whatever he suffered from, caused him to have halucinations...visions...of god, hear voices, etc. people, being naive at the time and searching for answers, followed this mans sypillis riddled statements and beliefs...hard to blame the people back then, they shit in the streets. also, did you know the ark...the big massive ark...the unit of measure the bible uses for that (i forget the term) is the equivalent of the length of your hand to your elbow...and the ark, was 3 of these units of measure i believe. If syphillis was common place at that time, then people suffering from syphillis-related hallicinations would have also been common place and therefore someone suffering from said hallucinations would be recognized as such by the general populance, causing people to turn away from him rather than follow him. In other words, your theory contradicts itself. that part of "beyond rampant" escapes you? its kinda...proven? lol...like people knew "i got a disease, its why i seeing things". again, 3rd time...the "general populace" (no 'n') shat in the streets...its akin to putting a neanderthol in front of a laptop, as far as their understanding of disease...shit "bad humors" wasnt even a term until the 1200's, and they advanced to leeches by then. |
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Post by Deleted on May 30, 2014 10:08:30 GMT -5
As of right now, today, gravity is an unexplained natural phenomenum. And it's primary difference from lightening and dark matter is that it has no physical presence. In theory, it does not exist because it has no presence. And despite the fact that it can't currently be expolained, you have faith that one day it will be explained. Sounds familiar. read my words scienece has a several hundred year history of explaining things, and will continue to do so as we progress religion? It has? Then why is science based on theory? |
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Post by down38str8 on May 30, 2014 10:08:32 GMT -5
As of right now, today, gravity is an unexplained natural phenomenum. And it's primary difference from lightening and dark matter is that it has no physical presence. In theory, it does not exist because it has no presence. And despite the fact that it can't currently be expolained, you have faith that one day it will be explained. Sounds familiar. read my words scienece has a several hundred year history of explaining things, and will continue to do so as we progress religion? Science can explain only what it can observe...for everything else, it theorizes... |
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Post by Deleted on May 30, 2014 10:11:17 GMT -5
"Satan "struck Job with painful boils from the sole of his foot to the crown of his head" (Job 2:7). Jesus said of the woman who was bent over and could not straighten herself, that satan had bound her for eighteen years (Luke 13:11-16). Paul describes his thorn in the flesh as 'a messenger of satan' (2 Corinthians 12:7). These afflictions did not result from the sin of the person in question but from satan's activity. God allowed Job to be tested by sickness so the genuineness of his righteousness could be demonstrated. He did not remove Paul's thorn in the flesh so the power of His grace would be revealed."
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Post by Deleted on May 30, 2014 10:11:57 GMT -5
read my words scienece has a several hundred year history of explaining things, and will continue to do so as we progress religion? It has? Then why is science based on theory? lightnings causes arent theory its science |
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Post by Deleted on May 30, 2014 10:12:26 GMT -5
If syphillis was common place at that time, then people suffering from syphillis-related hallicinations would have also been common place and therefore someone suffering from said hallucinations would be recognized as such by the general populance, causing people to turn away from him rather than follow him. In other words, your theory contradicts itself. that part of "beyond rampant" escapes you? its kinda...proven? lol...like people knew "i got a disease, its why i seeing things". again, 3rd time...the "general populace" (no 'n') shat in the streets...its akin to putting a neanderthol in front of a laptop, as far as their understanding of disease...shit "bad humors" wasnt even a term until the 1200's, and they advanced to leeches by then. Other than pointing out my typo, your rebuttal was useless. 'Beyond rampant'...? So? Only further clarifies my point. |
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Post by The Bag on May 30, 2014 10:13:24 GMT -5
And the deepest philosophical question... Why? The answers are all theoretical, and physicists have a hard time explaining how the entire universe on a macro scale is expanding, everything is moving away from everything else...however, at smaller scales, everything is attracting... which, at the rate science is explaining things..will be revealed maybe within our liftetimes remember man, 200 years ago we had no lightbulbs, cars, internet, etc and how old is this planet? we're on the fast track to knowledge fuck that. i want alien info. i am one of the nuts who 100000% believes the white house has a fuckton of info on aliens and is holding back. |
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Post by down38str8 on May 30, 2014 10:13:31 GMT -5
If syphillis was common place at that time, then people suffering from syphillis-related hallicinations would have also been common place and therefore someone suffering from said hallucinations would be recognized as such by the general populance, causing people to turn away from him rather than follow him. In other words, your theory contradicts itself. that part of "beyond rampant" escapes you? its kinda...proven? lol...like people knew "i got a disease, its why i seeing things". again, 3rd time...the "general populace" (no 'n') shat in the streets...its akin to putting a neanderthol in front of a laptop, as far as their understanding of disease...shit "bad humors" wasnt even a term until the 1200's, and they advanced to leeches by then. A common mistake made is thinking technological advancement has made us smarter...it hasn't...our ancestor's possessed equal wits to us now...they get far too little credit... We can't explain how the pyramids were built by such "neanderthals", they had a great understanding of math as far back as 6,000 years ago...we're only now relearning much of what was known then... off track, I'm a believer that "we" are not the first "advanced" civilization...like you said, we went from a totally agrarian society to flying to the moon in less than 2,000 years...yet mankind has been here as we are now for at least 200,000...it's plausible the previous civiliations were wiped out, most likely by an ice age, and we lost all that accrued knowledge along the way... |
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Post by Deleted on May 30, 2014 10:16:31 GMT -5
"Satan "struck Job with painful boils from the sole of his foot to the crown of his head" (Job 2:7). Jesus said of the woman who was bent over and could not straighten herself, that satan had bound her for eighteen years (Luke 13:11-16). Paul describes his thorn in the flesh as 'a messenger of satan' (2 Corinthians 12:7). These afflictions did not result from the sin of the person in question but from satan's activity. God allowed Job to be tested by sickness so the genuineness of his righteousness could be demonstrated. He did not remove Paul's thorn in the flesh so the power of His grace would be revealed." You read the Bible more than i do. You go to greater lengths to disprove than I go to believe in it. You put more effort into justifying your dis-belief than I do in justifying my belief. |
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Post by down38str8 on May 30, 2014 10:17:21 GMT -5
"Satan "struck Job with painful boils from the sole of his foot to the crown of his head" (Job 2:7). Jesus said of the woman who was bent over and could not straighten herself, that satan had bound her for eighteen years (Luke 13:11-16). Paul describes his thorn in the flesh as 'a messenger of satan' (2 Corinthians 12:7). These afflictions did not result from the sin of the person in question but from satan's activity. God allowed Job to be tested by sickness so the genuineness of his righteousness could be demonstrated. He did not remove Paul's thorn in the flesh so the power of His grace would be revealed." You read the Bible more than i do. You go to greater lengths to disprove than I go to believe in it. You put more effort into justifying your dis-belief than I do in justifying my belief. AKA: Activistic atheism... |
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Post by Deleted on May 30, 2014 10:17:40 GMT -5
that part of "beyond rampant" escapes you? its kinda...proven? lol...like people knew "i got a disease, its why i seeing things". again, 3rd time...the "general populace" (no 'n') shat in the streets...its akin to putting a neanderthol in front of a laptop, as far as their understanding of disease...shit "bad humors" wasnt even a term until the 1200's, and they advanced to leeches by then. A common mistake made is thinking technological advancement has made us smarter...it hasn't...our ancestor's possessed equal wits to us now...they get far too little credit... We can't explain how the pyramids were built by such "neanderthals", they had a great understanding of math as far back as 6,000 years ago...we're only now relearning much of what was known then... off track, I'm a believer that "we" are not the first "advanced" civilization...like you said, we went from a totally agrarian society to flying to the moon in less than 2,000 years...yet mankind has been here as we are now for at least 200,000...it's plausible the previous civiliations were wiped out, most likely by an ice age, and we lost all that accrued knowledge along the way... actually, they just recently revealed the science behind how the egyptians moved those massive stones...been all over the news "water" theyd wet the sand in front of the rollers www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2014/05/02/the-surprisingly-simple-way-egyptians-moved-massive-pyramid-stones-without-modern-technology/?tid=pm_national_popThe truth, researchers at the University of Amsterdam announced this week in a study published in the journal Physical Review Letters, may actually be quite simple. It has long been believed that Egyptians used wooden sleds to haul the stone, but until now it hasn’t been entirely understood how they overcame the problem of friction. It amounts to nothing more, scientists say, than a “clever trick.” They likely wet the sand. ”For the construction of the pyramids, the ancient Egyptians had to transport heavy blocks of stone and large statues across the desert,” the university said. “The Egyptians therefore placed the heavy objects on a sledge that workers pulled over the sand. Research … revealed that the Egyptians probably made the desert sand in front of the sledge wet.” It has to do with physics. The sort of sledges the Egyptians used to transport the two-ton loads of stone were pretty rudimentary. They were wooden planks with upturned edges. Dragging something that heavy through hot sand would — unsurprisingly — dig into the grains, creating a sand berm that would make progress nearly impossible. It “was perhaps observed by the Egyptians that in dry case, a heap of sand forms in front of the sled before it can really start to move,” says the study, authored by a team of eight researchers led by Daniel Bonn.
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Post by Deleted on May 30, 2014 10:18:26 GMT -5
"Satan "struck Job with painful boils from the sole of his foot to the crown of his head" (Job 2:7). Jesus said of the woman who was bent over and could not straighten herself, that satan had bound her for eighteen years (Luke 13:11-16). Paul describes his thorn in the flesh as 'a messenger of satan' (2 Corinthians 12:7). These afflictions did not result from the sin of the person in question but from satan's activity. God allowed Job to be tested by sickness so the genuineness of his righteousness could be demonstrated. He did not remove Paul's thorn in the flesh so the power of His grace would be revealed." You read the Bible more than i do. You go to greater lengths to disprove than I go to believe in it. You put more effort into justifying your dis-belief than I do in justifying my belief. i googled "disease in the time of jesus" science gave us google, praise be to gates |
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Post by redsoxworrld on May 30, 2014 10:18:26 GMT -5
Species of plants and animals are becoming extinct at least 1,000 times faster than they did before humans arrived on the scene, and the world is on the brink of a sixth great extinction, a new study says.
The study looks at past and present rates of extinction and finds a lower rate in the past than scientists had thought. Species are now disappearing from Earth about 10 times faster than biologists had believed, said study lead author noted biologist Stuart Pimm of Duke University.
“We are on the verge of the sixth extinction,” Pimm said from research at the Dry Tortugas. “Whether we avoid it or not will depend on our actions.”
Pimm, expanding on his opinion offered up an unusual prediction about the probable next species to become extinct. "It's Yankee fans, no question about. They've only been in existence since 1996 and watch what happens in November, later this year. Science, bitch"
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Post by Deleted on May 30, 2014 10:18:53 GMT -5
that part of "beyond rampant" escapes you? its kinda...proven? lol...like people knew "i got a disease, its why i seeing things". again, 3rd time...the "general populace" (no 'n') shat in the streets...its akin to putting a neanderthol in front of a laptop, as far as their understanding of disease...shit "bad humors" wasnt even a term until the 1200's, and they advanced to leeches by then. A common mistake made is thinking technological advancement has made us smarter...it hasn't...our ancestor's possessed equal wits to us now...they get far too little credit... We can't explain how the pyramids were built by such "neanderthals", they had a great understanding of math as far back as 6,000 years ago...we're only now relearning much of what was known then... off track, I'm a believer that "we" are not the first "advanced" civilization...like you said, we went from a totally agrarian society to flying to the moon in less than 2,000 years...yet mankind has been here as we are now for at least 200,000...it's plausible the previous civiliations were wiped out, most likely by an ice age, and we lost all that accrued knowledge along the way... Word. The Chinese and the Greeks knew the Earth was round 4000 years ago but for whatever reason, the Europeans didn't believe it until they discovered it for themselves. |
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Post by Mr mastodon farm on May 30, 2014 10:19:04 GMT -5
"Satan "struck Job with painful boils from the sole of his foot to the crown of his head" (Job 2:7). Jesus said of the woman who was bent over and could not straighten herself, that satan had bound her for eighteen years (Luke 13:11-16). Paul describes his thorn in the flesh as 'a messenger of satan' (2 Corinthians 12:7). These afflictions did not result from the sin of the person in question but from satan's activity. God allowed Job to be tested by sickness so the genuineness of his righteousness could be demonstrated. He did not remove Paul's thorn in the flesh so the power of His grace would be revealed." You read the Bible more than i do. You go to greater lengths to disprove than I go to believe in it. You put more effort into justifying your dis-belief than I do in justifying my belief. "dinosaurs werent real either" |
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Post by PeteNYC on May 30, 2014 10:22:25 GMT -5
Sorry, liberalism is truly a mental disease...and I get really frustrated by those with such a weak grasp of basic economics.... up is never down wet is never dry and more federal government spending is never a good thing 3 absolute truths... yes because it was Liberal government that started an unfunded war with a country that did not attack us on 911. actually, a congress with a liberal majority voted for it by 99% majority
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Post by down38str8 on May 30, 2014 10:22:37 GMT -5
A common mistake made is thinking technological advancement has made us smarter...it hasn't...our ancestor's possessed equal wits to us now...they get far too little credit... We can't explain how the pyramids were built by such "neanderthals", they had a great understanding of math as far back as 6,000 years ago...we're only now relearning much of what was known then... off track, I'm a believer that "we" are not the first "advanced" civilization...like you said, we went from a totally agrarian society to flying to the moon in less than 2,000 years...yet mankind has been here as we are now for at least 200,000...it's plausible the previous civiliations were wiped out, most likely by an ice age, and we lost all that accrued knowledge along the way... actually, they just recently revealed the science behind how the egyptians moved those massive stones...been all over the news "water" theyd wet the sand in front of the rollers www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2014/05/02/the-surprisingly-simple-way-egyptians-moved-massive-pyramid-stones-without-modern-technology/?tid=pm_national_popThe truth, researchers at the University of Amsterdam announced this week in a study published in the journal Physical Review Letters, may actually be quite simple. It has long been believed that Egyptians used wooden sleds to haul the stone, but until now it hasn’t been entirely understood how they overcame the problem of friction. It amounts to nothing more, scientists say, than a “clever trick.” They likely wet the sand. ”For the construction of the pyramids, the ancient Egyptians had to transport heavy blocks of stone and large statues across the desert,” the university said. “The Egyptians therefore placed the heavy objects on a sledge that workers pulled over the sand. Research … revealed that the Egyptians probably made the desert sand in front of the sledge wet.” It has to do with physics. The sort of sledges the Egyptians used to transport the two-ton loads of stone were pretty rudimentary. They were wooden planks with upturned edges. Dragging something that heavy through hot sand would — unsurprisingly — dig into the grains, creating a sand berm that would make progress nearly impossible. It “was perhaps observed by the Egyptians that in dry case, a heap of sand forms in front of the sled before it can really start to move,” says the study, authored by a team of eight researchers led by Daniel Bonn.
"It took science 200 years to figure out what a bunch of neanderthals figured out 6,000 years ago, that water reduces friction" |
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Post by Deleted on May 30, 2014 10:25:43 GMT -5
You read the Bible more than i do. You go to greater lengths to disprove than I go to believe in it. You put more effort into justifying your dis-belief than I do in justifying my belief. "dinosaurs werent real either" When people look for fault in CChristains, they convince themselves that people like Carl Everett represent the typical Christian. "Dinosaurs were on the Earth 7000 years ago. The fossilized bones people 'find' are secretly being manufactured in big warehouses and strategically placed around the world." |
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Post by Deleted on May 30, 2014 10:26:10 GMT -5
actually, they just recently revealed the science behind how the egyptians moved those massive stones...been all over the news "water" theyd wet the sand in front of the rollers www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2014/05/02/the-surprisingly-simple-way-egyptians-moved-massive-pyramid-stones-without-modern-technology/?tid=pm_national_popThe truth, researchers at the University of Amsterdam announced this week in a study published in the journal Physical Review Letters, may actually be quite simple. It has long been believed that Egyptians used wooden sleds to haul the stone, but until now it hasn’t been entirely understood how they overcame the problem of friction. It amounts to nothing more, scientists say, than a “clever trick.” They likely wet the sand. ”For the construction of the pyramids, the ancient Egyptians had to transport heavy blocks of stone and large statues across the desert,” the university said. “The Egyptians therefore placed the heavy objects on a sledge that workers pulled over the sand. Research … revealed that the Egyptians probably made the desert sand in front of the sledge wet.” It has to do with physics. The sort of sledges the Egyptians used to transport the two-ton loads of stone were pretty rudimentary. They were wooden planks with upturned edges. Dragging something that heavy through hot sand would — unsurprisingly — dig into the grains, creating a sand berm that would make progress nearly impossible. It “was perhaps observed by the Egyptians that in dry case, a heap of sand forms in front of the sled before it can really start to move,” says the study, authored by a team of eight researchers led by Daniel Bonn.
"It took science 200 years to figure out what a bunch of neanderthals figured out 6,000 years ago, that water reduces friction" youre smarter than this (hi cotton) there werent detailed records back then as everyone knows, and we relied on crude drawings to try to understand how people in a desert got these things to move on dry sand. we know know why, aside from drinking water, they built aquaducts and crude reservoirs in the middle of nowhere, nowhere near population centers...it had baffled scientists for decades it was for this explicit purpose |
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Post by down38str8 on May 30, 2014 10:27:02 GMT -5
yes because it was Liberal government that started an unfunded war with a country that did not attack us on 911. actually, a congress with a liberal majority voted for it by 99% majority
There's that too...however, bush was as big a liberal, in practice, as Hillary and Obama...backing different cronies didn't make him any better... |
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Post by Just Another Shem on May 30, 2014 10:33:28 GMT -5
actually, a congress with a liberal majority voted for it by 99% majority
There's that too...however, bush was as big a liberal, in practice, as Hillary and Obama...backing different cronies didn't make him any better... Lol... "Bush was a liberal" |
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Post by down38str8 on May 30, 2014 10:33:33 GMT -5
"It took science 200 years to figure out what a bunch of neanderthals figured out 6,000 years ago, that water reduces friction" youre smarter than this (hi cotton) there werent detailed records back then as everyone knows, and we relied on crude drawings to try to understand how people in a desert got these things to move on dry sand. we know know why, aside from drinking water, they built aquaducts and crude reservoirs in the middle of nowhere, nowhere near population centers...it had baffled scientists for decades it was for this explicit purpose Hundreds of years to unlock the secrets of a bunch of pre-interwebz neanderthals. and it still doesn't explain how in the absense of heavy machinery 10 ton blocks were put into place so geometrically perfect. Or how 17,000 years ago, people without advanced cutting machinery were able to cut things like:  I'm only doing this to point out that our ancestors were far smarter than they're given credit for... |
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Post by Deleted on May 30, 2014 10:39:14 GMT -5
youre smarter than this (hi cotton) there werent detailed records back then as everyone knows, and we relied on crude drawings to try to understand how people in a desert got these things to move on dry sand. we know know why, aside from drinking water, they built aquaducts and crude reservoirs in the middle of nowhere, nowhere near population centers...it had baffled scientists for decades it was for this explicit purpose Hundreds of years to unlock the secrets of a bunch of pre-interwebz neanderthals. and it still doesn't explain how in the absense of heavy machinery 10 ton blocks were put into place so geometrically perfect. Or how 17,000 years ago, people without advanced cutting machinery were able to cut things like: I'm only doing this to point out that our ancestors were far smarter than they're given credit for... from what ive read on the topic, same thing...water they knew water in fissures would crack rocks or even help reduce friction for cutting thats probably near an aqueduct we now know how they moved these rocks, some believe they know how they cut them they were also advanced enough to know to to rig a pulley system and use fulcrums my guess, in time, like we now know wet sand helped move them, we'll know how they raised them up |
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Post by down38str8 on May 30, 2014 10:40:55 GMT -5
There's that too...however, bush was as big a liberal, in practice, as Hillary and Obama...backing different cronies didn't make him any better... Lol... "Bush was a liberal" In practice, he was as a progressive liberal. Measure his words he certainly sounded like a conservative...but actions speak louder. NCLB, Homeland Security, among others are examples of progressive liberalism, in short, dramatic expansion of the reach and scope of the federal government. Both of those are antithetical to core conservative beliefs. Bush talked a good game with his faith base policies, he did so to drum up the bible belt support. Lying is what politicians do... |
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Post by down38str8 on May 30, 2014 10:43:33 GMT -5
Hundreds of years to unlock the secrets of a bunch of pre-interwebz neanderthals. and it still doesn't explain how in the absense of heavy machinery 10 ton blocks were put into place so geometrically perfect. Or how 17,000 years ago, people without advanced cutting machinery were able to cut things like: I'm only doing this to point out that our ancestors were far smarter than they're given credit for... from what ive read on the topic, same thing...water they knew water in fissures would crack rocks or even help reduce friction for cutting thats probably near an aqueduct we now know how they moved these rocks, some believe they know how they cut them they were also advanced enough to know to to rig a pulley system and use fulcrums my guess, in time, like we now know wet sand helped move them, we'll know how they raised them up Most likely...but, that shows a serious level of sophistication...which is all I was getting at... That was approx 17,000 years ago if the dating is accurate... |
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Post by Leader O'Cola on May 31, 2014 16:06:45 GMT -5
this thread makes me weep for the future of humanity.
wow. so much............. well.... derp.
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