It hasn't eroded the most fundamental building block...which is the point...and according to physicists?  They're really no closer today than Einstein was 80 years ago...


"Scientists" also try to tell me a trace gas in the atmosphere that makes up less than 1% of the atmospheric mass is going to kill every living thing on the planet by turning it into a sweltering sauna.

Religion gives people faith. Supposed your wife becomes paralyzed. Doctors try, physical therapy, surgeries....etc.....watching your money get depleted....nothing works.

Religion gives that kind of faith to people stuck in that situation. Maybe just maybe talking to "God" gives them that glimmer of hope and a conduit to feeling a tad bit better. And the church is the community that gets together and does fund raisers to help that person in dire need? And now imagine some condescending atheist walking up to that person saying..."LOL, you believe Jesus turned rocks into, fish, you're an idiot"?

i have no problem with religion

i do have a problem with being told why its correct

same probably applies to believers and science, so i get that

most of my family are devout catholics. i still fake it for my nonni.

I'm actually a presbyterian, and man do I HATE charity work.

The biggest miracle of Jesus' career?  Never once complaining when people kept asking for more, more, more.

The guy went WAY farther than I could ever imagine.  The guy went to the point of being unjustly executed.

Me?  I get worn out from two hours at the food pantry.

why does dark matter exist?  the stuff between the stars? 

we'll find out in time, just as we found out in time that lighting doesnt demand virgin sacrifices to appease god...or that droughts/floods are casued by global weather patterns, and not because another virgin wasnt sacrificed

"year one"

tremendously funny on these topics

exactly.  not to bring this up again, because I feel like I do it all time, but this is why we go to church.

when doctors do multiple brain surgeries and tell everybody your wife has 72 hours to live and to make arrangements, and 11 years later, you are still here, you have no choice but to believe something else played a factor.  If thats not the case, and it just happened because it just happened, then so be it.  There is no penalty for believing in something if it didnt exist.  We just happen to feel that something else helped her.  thats all.  Whenever we run into one of her nurses or surgeons, they still say its a miracle.   So we die and nothing "special"  happens.  Oh well.

Royals > Blow Jays

You didn't answer the question. Why does gravity exist?

Of course I do.  And we don't have to fight about it.

You've made a definitive statement that the Bible is entirely allegorical.  Based on, what?

Are there no Jewish people in the world? The synagogues, the temple in Jerusalem, the circumcision, the dietary laws, the whole Exodus thingy...none of that stuff actually happened?  It's all mentioned in the Bible.  You're saying Pete's actually a myth?

So, we could possibly revise that statement to say, "Rock believes most of the Bible to be allegorical," and I would have no further comment on that.  I really don't know if Jonah was swallowed by a shark or not, or if Russell Crowe herded a bunch of animals on a boat, but the stories teach me something important about who I am and who God is. 

Some of those stories can be allegory, and at the same time Jesus can be a real historical figure.  Works for me.

then just acknowledge the religious people are supporting the higher power you believe in and move on.

the people i want to wake up to a cinderblock dropped on their skull when it comes to religion:

• People who use religion to take advantage of others ("donate" $ to this cause or god will smite you)
  
• People who "force" religion on others as if there's no choice in the matter. (get god before you die, bc otherwise he will let you burn in hell like the sinful animal you are)
  
• athiest hipster faggots that are opposed to religious people jamming religion down our throat, all the while jamming atheism down our throats. we get it, you dont buy god, now stfu.
  

my wife's uncle has it right man. guy is a pastor. he will bring up god if you bring it up. he doesnt curse, but beyond that, he is maybe the most down to earth guy you will meet. ill drop an f bomb in front of him and ill apologize. he will smile and say "just bc i dont say it, doesnt mean you cant or have to feel bad". if religious people were more like him, i'd probably get into it.

The point I'm trying to make is I don't grasp why you insist on fighting that left side is so idiotic when Bill Clinton had the economy as strong as its ever been and the military in its most peaceful state in decades...

Then Bush took over, left the economy in its worst state in over 60 years and left thousands and thousands of soldiers dead or severely wounded....

Now a left president came back into power, the economic status of the country today is better than its been in a decade and we are in the greatest state of peace since Clinton...

You say wet is never dry and up is never down...

Yet you're arguing that very thing.

Now I know you're gonna have an excuse for everything I just said and basically tell me that its all smoke and mirrors and bullshit and the sky is going to fall...

I just don't agree with you...

based on things like you just said about wheat and voices...its not wheat, its gods people...and the shephards voice is the voice of god, not an actual shephard. 

thats allegory

jesus was a real person who existed...but he had syphillis from having sex with prostitutes..as disease, primarily STD's, were beyond rampant in the time of jesus.  this disease, or whatever he suffered from, caused him to have halucinations...visions...of god, hear voices, etc.  people, being naive at the time and searching for answers, followed this mans sypillis riddled statements and beliefs...hard to blame the people back then, they shit in the streets.

also, did you know the ark...the big massive ark...the unit of measure the bible uses for that (i forget the term) is the equivalent of the length of your hand to your elbow...and the ark, was 3 of these units of measure i believe.

All right, I'll shut it...almost time for me to head to Jamaica anyway.

Last lick: I don't actually believe it's my JOB to convert anyone.  That should be the work of God (what I call the Holy Spirit) in that person's life.  I might be a conduit for some of God's truth, if God chooses to use me in that fashion, but I have no power to change anyone's heart or life.

I sure will give my opinion on the subject, though.

This has really been a polite discussion, thanks everyone.

And b1ake, more of those hilarious memes!

I don't see anyone here doing that...granted those types certainly exist...and even Huw has acknowledged they're dinks too...

which, at the rate science is explaining things..will be revealed maybe within our liftetimes


remember man, 200 years ago we had no lightbulbs, cars, internet, etc

and how old is this planet?

we're on the fast track to knowledge