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Post by pr0t0cl0wn on Nov 19, 2014 18:08:59 GMT -5
Nah, not even close. So they offered upto $20 mil a year for 6 years? Yeah, that's gonna get blown out of the water by someone. Cubs or Yankees Can't rule out either. Doubt the Braves are really in it. Cards can't be ruled out if they're showing interest either. |
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Post by Super Paul Mullin on Nov 19, 2014 18:10:42 GMT -5
Not sure how that offer to Lester shows "great respect" to him. I'd say it's about 20-30 mill too low.
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Post by pr0t0cl0wn on Nov 19, 2014 18:19:23 GMT -5
Not sure how that offer to Lester shows "great respect" to him. I'd say it's about 20-30 mill too low. They're taking the high road. You make an offer like that and you know there is no chance he takes it. He could end up with 7 years and upto $175mil...$110-120 is a joke. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 19, 2014 18:25:00 GMT -5
Not sure how that offer to Lester shows "great respect" to him. I'd say it's about 20-30 mill too low. They're taking the high road. You make an offer like that and you know there is no chance he takes it. He could end up with 7 years and upto $175mil...$110-120 is a joke. They get him for 6/150 |
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Post by pr0t0cl0wn on Nov 19, 2014 18:27:22 GMT -5
They're taking the high road. You make an offer like that and you know there is no chance he takes it. He could end up with 7 years and upto $175mil...$110-120 is a joke. They get him for 6/150 Not if someone offers 7 years guaranteed. Either way, they're a LONG way off from that $150 mil number |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 19, 2014 18:39:04 GMT -5
Not if someone offers 7 years guaranteed. Either way, they're a LONG way off from that $150 mil number By not overwhelming him, they will wait to see what happens. They dont participate in a bidding war. Dont show your hand, ya know? John henry will repel from his helicopter at the last second, kick in the door the door and throw money at him. |
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Post by pr0t0cl0wn on Nov 19, 2014 18:44:11 GMT -5
Not if someone offers 7 years guaranteed. Either way, they're a LONG way off from that $150 mil number By not overwhelming him, they will wait to see what happens. They dont participate in a bidding war. Dont show your hand, ya know? John henry will repel from his helicopter at the last second, kick in the door the door and throw money at him. What is the point of making an obnoxiously low offer then? |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 19, 2014 18:49:00 GMT -5
By not overwhelming him, they will wait to see what happens. They dont participate in a bidding war. Dont show your hand, ya know? John henry will repel from his helicopter at the last second, kick in the door the door and throw money at him. What is the point of making an obnoxiously low offer then? Make everyone think youre out. Avoid a bidding war. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 19, 2014 18:51:05 GMT -5
Wouldn't it be hilarious if they really had a hand shake deal all along?
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Post by pr0t0cl0wn on Nov 19, 2014 18:51:00 GMT -5
What is the point of making an obnoxiously low offer then? Make everyone think youre out. Avoid a bidding war. There is going to be a bidding war anyway, with or without Boston. |
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Post by pr0t0cl0wn on Nov 19, 2014 18:52:14 GMT -5
Wouldn't it be hilarious if they really had a hand shake deal all along? No agent would ever go for that, and if they did, why isn't he signed already? I'm shocked we've never really seen that before though, seems easy enough to pull off if you just have that stipulation that the new team isn't allowed to make a qualifying offer. |
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Post by Chappion on Nov 19, 2014 18:54:11 GMT -5
By not overwhelming him, they will wait to see what happens. They dont participate in a bidding war. Dont show your hand, ya know? John henry will repel from his helicopter at the last second, kick in the door the door and throw money at him. What is the point of making an obnoxiously low offer then? To placate the fanbase. Now they can say "See! We tried and we couldn't sign him." Truth is, they don't really want him back at the price it would take. But 6yr/$120m would have easily gotten it done in the past when they were Lowballing him with $80m. |
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Post by Super Paul Mullin on Nov 19, 2014 18:56:18 GMT -5
Wouldn't it be hilarious if they really had a hand shake deal all along? One of the twitterers noted that the current offer probably would have been accepted at the beginning of the season. |
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Post by Chappion on Nov 19, 2014 18:57:22 GMT -5
Wouldn't it be hilarious if they really had a hand shake deal all along? One of the twitterers noted that the current offer probably would have been accepted at the beginning of the season. They are very careful to offer about 20-30% less than it would take to get a deal done. He ain't coming back. |
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Post by pr0t0cl0wn on Nov 19, 2014 18:58:21 GMT -5
What is the point of making an obnoxiously low offer then? To placate the fanbase. Now they can say "See! We tried and we couldn't sign him." Truth is, they don't really want him back at the price it would take. But 6yr/$120m would have easily gotten it done in the past when they were Lowballing him with $80m. Oh, I know. Rock is saying that maybe Henry swoops in at the last second with a bunch of money at the last season. If that's what he's gonna do, this waste of time offer served no purpose. |
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Post by Chappion on Nov 19, 2014 19:00:35 GMT -5
To placate the fanbase. Now they can say "See! We tried and we couldn't sign him." Truth is, they don't really want him back at the price it would take. But 6yr/$120m would have easily gotten it done in the past when they were Lowballing him with $80m. Oh, I know. Rock is saying that maybe Henry swoops in at the last second with a bunch of money at the last season. If that's what he's gonna do, this waste of time offer served no purpose. I guess it's a starting point. But they will get outspent on him by a ton. |
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Post by pr0t0cl0wn on Nov 19, 2014 19:01:17 GMT -5
Oh, I know. Rock is saying that maybe Henry swoops in at the last second with a bunch of money at the last season. If that's what he's gonna do, this waste of time offer served no purpose. I guess it's a starting point. But they will get outspent on him by a ton. Its a starting point, but the offer is completely meaningless. Every team that was planning on making an offer was going to start way above that silly offer. |
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Post by Chappion on Nov 19, 2014 19:03:48 GMT -5
I guess it's a starting point. But they will get outspent on him by a ton. Its a starting point, but the offer is completely meaningless. Every team that was planning on making an offer was going to start way above that silly offer. m Correct. They don't want him back. They plan to go after Shields and maybe a guy like Ervin Santana this Winter. I don't think John Henry would pay over $20m/year for anyone. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 19, 2014 19:04:43 GMT -5
To placate the fanbase. Now they can say "See! We tried and we couldn't sign him." Truth is, they don't really want him back at the price it would take. But 6yr/$120m would have easily gotten it done in the past when they were Lowballing him with $80m. Oh, I know. Rock is saying that maybe Henry swoops in at the last second with a bunch of money at the last season. If that's what he's gonna do, this waste of time offer served no purpose. The offer was for PR purposes only. He's known that Lester was a lost cause for at least a year now. |
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Post by pr0t0cl0wn on Nov 19, 2014 19:09:01 GMT -5
Its a starting point, but the offer is completely meaningless. Every team that was planning on making an offer was going to start way above that silly offer. m Correct. They don't want him back. They plan to go after Shields and maybe a guy like Ervin Santana this Winter. I don't think John Henry would pay over $20m/year for anyone. And I haven't looked, but they must have a top 10 pick, so they wouldn't even have to worry about that draft pick because they'll just need to give up their 2nd rounder. |
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Post by pr0t0cl0wn on Nov 19, 2014 19:09:50 GMT -5
Oh, I know. Rock is saying that maybe Henry swoops in at the last second with a bunch of money at the last season. If that's what he's gonna do, this waste of time offer served no purpose. The offer was for PR purposes only. He's known that Lester was a lost cause for at least a year now. Yes, I know. I was just playing counter point to Rock's posts. The offer was a joke and just done to say "Hey, we tried!" |
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Post by Chappion on Nov 19, 2014 19:10:45 GMT -5
m Correct. They don't want him back. They plan to go after Shields and maybe a guy like Ervin Santana this Winter. I don't think John Henry would pay over $20m/year for anyone. And I haven't looked, but they must have a top 10 pick, so they wouldn't even have to worry about that draft pick because they'll just need to give up their 2nd rounder. Exactly. They have a protected pick(#7 maybe?). They need to spend some $$$ |
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Post by pr0t0cl0wn on Nov 19, 2014 19:18:00 GMT -5
And I haven't looked, but they must have a top 10 pick, so they wouldn't even have to worry about that draft pick because they'll just need to give up their 2nd rounder. Exactly. They have a protected pick(#7 maybe?). They need to spend some $$$ Yeah, they're in a good spot there for sure. The Astros have 2 and 5 also. That team can be fucking beastly in 3-4 years when their kids all start making up to the pros. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2014 7:40:05 GMT -5
Jon Lester after initial offer
11.19.14 at 8:07 pm ET
By Rob Bradford
Jon Lester
Jon Lester
According to a source familiar with the situation, the Red Sox have made it clear that there will be a “willingness to negotiate” with Jon Lester and his representatives after extending an offer during the two sides’ meeting earlier this week.
While a Boston Globe report suggested the Sox’ offer was for six years at between $110-120 million, the source suggested the team’s initial offseason proposal was part of a more complex discussion about potential contract parameters.
Earlier Wednesday, one of Lester’s agents, Seth Levinson of ACES, emailed WEEI.com to state, “I will not comment on negotiations nor will I characterize a meeting other than to say that the Red Sox extended great respect to Jon.”
With a source suggesting six teams expressing “legitimate interest” as of last week, it is believed that the Red Sox would have to come up dramatically from their perceived comfort level prior to trading Lester at the non-waiver trade deadline. After a spring training offer of four years, $70 million, no formal proposals were extended by either side until the one this week.
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Post by NEW YORK on Nov 20, 2014 7:52:24 GMT -5
Think Lester lands in Boston
Still think the Cubs will be the one to watch in the 7/140-150 range
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Post by Mr mastodon farm on Nov 20, 2014 8:10:38 GMT -5
"we were in last place with you, and we still have pretty much the same guys. come back at a discount."
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Post by Just Another Shem on Nov 20, 2014 8:10:34 GMT -5
If the offer really is 6 years, 110-120, its not enough and is nothing more than a token "see fans, we gave him the chance to prove he was serious when he said he would take a hometown discount and he didn't do it"
Its a classic Lucchino save face move.
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Post by mrpickles on Nov 20, 2014 8:11:52 GMT -5
If the offer really is 6 years, 110-120, its not enough and is nothing more than a token "see fans, we gave him the chance to prove he was serious when he said he would take a hometown discount and he didn't do it" Its a classic Lucchino save face move. Gay Hamels baby |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2014 8:15:32 GMT -5
If the offer really is 6 years, 110-120, its not enough and is nothing more than a token "see fans, we gave him the chance to prove he was serious when he said he would take a hometown discount and he didn't do it" Its a classic Lucchino save face move. you listen to too much TnR i keep saying 6/150 or so will get it done, and it will. lesters one of those rare guys the sox FO will extend into his 30's...not a ton of miles on him, hes won titles here, and this is really all hes ever known. 200 inning left handed aces are hard to find, especialyl ones who have excelled under the lights. the dark horse to me is theo and the cubs...theo is about as much in love with lester as 2 straight dudes can be. people forget lester was theos first draft pick here. |
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Post by mrpickles on Nov 20, 2014 8:21:03 GMT -5
If the offer really is 6 years, 110-120, its not enough and is nothing more than a token "see fans, we gave him the chance to prove he was serious when he said he would take a hometown discount and he didn't do it" Its a classic Lucchino save face move. you listen to too much TnR i keep saying 6/150 or so will get it done, and it will. lesters one of those rare guys the sox FO will extend into his 30's...not a ton of miles on him, hes won titles here, and this is really all hes ever known. 200 inning left handed aces are hard to find, especialyl ones who have excelled under the lights. the dark horse to me is theo and the cubs...theo is about as much in love with lester as 2 straight dudes can be. people forget lester was theos first draft pick here. I dont think any of that comes into it... Except the theo piece. Cherrington seems like hes a cold calculated mother. I love his style. He may prefer Lester, he doesnt seem like a guy that is going to over-extend for any guy no matter what he did in the past. Just look at all the moves hes made and hasnt made |
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