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Post by nyr2002nyr on Sept 10, 2014 15:33:52 GMT -5
I don't know. That's a LOT of wasted money. And Tanaka is close to being added, as well. And a lotta GMs waste a lot of money The Red Sox were all in on Contreras, Tex and Arod, let's not act as if Cashman bid against himself in a lot of cases I remember when they announced he was going to the Six and I was so happy and then it didn't happen and I was sad |
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Post by Chappion on Sept 10, 2014 15:35:24 GMT -5
I don't think the Yankees are any closer to winning their next title than the Red Sox are. So much dead wood on that Yankees roster. Overpaying for past-their-prime players seems to have finally caught up with them. It's one of the more asinine things I ever heard The Yankees have a very good shot at trotting out an above average top to bottom staff Honestly, what is to like about the Sox besides Papi, and how Betts looks? Literally what is to like about the rest of the entire roster? Don't forget the Yankees haven't made the Playoffs in 2 years now. I'm not sure what you are excited about on that team? Ellsbury and Gardner are going to carry you to a title? That 3-5 of McCann, Teixiera and Beltran might be the worst in the league. Note: I'm not saying the Red Sox are close to winning another title at all. I'm just saying the Yankees aren't any closer than the Sox are. |
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Post by Super Paul Mullin on Sept 10, 2014 15:36:21 GMT -5
Chappee hates Cashman ... in case anyone doesnt know Chappee is being objective. You should try it. |
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Post by Chappion on Sept 10, 2014 15:38:27 GMT -5
I don't know. That's a LOT of wasted money. And Tanaka is close to being added, as well. And a lotta GMs waste a lot of money The Red Sox were all in on Contreras, Tex and Arod, let's not act as if Cashman bid against himself in a lot of cases Oh agreed. Then those would have been on Theo and you would remind us of them all the time. Seriously, what happened to the Yankees GM before Cashman?? I want that guy running my team. |
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Post by NEW YORK on Sept 10, 2014 15:38:47 GMT -5
It's one of the more asinine things I ever heard The Yankees have a very good shot at trotting out an above average top to bottom staff Honestly, what is to like about the Sox besides Papi, and how Betts looks? Literally what is to like about the rest of the entire roster? Don't forget the Yankees haven't made the Playoffs in 2 years now. I'm not sure what you are excited about on that team? Ellsbury and Gardner are going to carry you to a title? That 3-5 of McCann, Teixiera and Beltran might be the worst in the league. Note: I'm not saying the Red Sox are close to winning another title at all. I'm just saying the Yankees aren't any closer than the Sox are. When you can spend an offseason plugging some holes in the lineup after missing the postseason by roughly 5 games, you are closer to winning a title than a team that literally needs to plug an entire roster and missed the postseason by 7,466 games Sorry Chapp, not rocket science |
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Post by NEW YORK on Sept 10, 2014 15:40:04 GMT -5
And a lotta GMs waste a lot of money The Red Sox were all in on Contreras, Tex and Arod, let's not act as if Cashman bid against himself in a lot of cases Oh agreed. Then those would have been on Theo and you would remind us of them all the time. Seriously, what happened to the Yankees GM before Cashman?? I want that guy running my team. Gene Michael was the mastermind Got old, still an important cog in the organization, just not day to day |
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Post by Chappion on Sept 10, 2014 15:40:48 GMT -5
Chappee hates Cashman ... in case anyone doesnt know I've seen a lot of Yankees fans on Twitter that agree. But getting Dirt to come around has been hard work. |
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Post by Chappion on Sept 10, 2014 15:45:15 GMT -5
Don't forget the Yankees haven't made the Playoffs in 2 years now. I'm not sure what you are excited about on that team? Ellsbury and Gardner are going to carry you to a title? That 3-5 of McCann, Teixiera and Beltran might be the worst in the league. Note: I'm not saying the Red Sox are close to winning another title at all. I'm just saying the Yankees aren't any closer than the Sox are. When you can spend an offseason plugging some holes in the lineup after missing the postseason by roughly 5 games, you are closer to winning a title than a team that literally needs to plug an entire roster and missed the postseason by 7,466 games Sorry Chapp, not rocket science Cherington took a last place team to a championship in a single year. So I'm not too worried about he final standings. I'm looking at that Yankees roster and I seriously wonder what has you excited for 2015? You still have Arod, Teixiera, Sabathia, Beltran & Mccann as starters. That's just not a good enough core to get it done. I'm sure you see that??? |
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Post by NEW YORK on Sept 10, 2014 15:46:14 GMT -5
Chappee hates Cashman ... in case anyone doesnt know I've seen a lot of Yankees fans on Twitter that agree. But getting Dirt to come around has been hard work. I judge him by how I feel at the time of the move, and not in hindsight I loved the McCann and Beltran deals I loved the CC and Tex deals at the time All of these deals these days will be ugly on the back end. The back end got there quicker than expected on these guys, just not sure how much I'm supposed to expect a GM to foresee that When you have the financial resources the Yankees do, every GM that runs them will have failures because they are able to afford the best available guys. Was another GM really not going to sign Tex or CC if at the time the Yankees needed a first basemen and Ace? Really don't believe a "better" GM with the money to do it says "Naah I don't want the best guys out there" |
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Post by Chappion on Sept 10, 2014 15:46:21 GMT -5
Oh agreed. Then those would have been on Theo and you would remind us of them all the time. Seriously, what happened to the Yankees GM before Cashman?? I want that guy running my team. Gene Michael was the mastermind Got old, still an important cog in the organization, just not day to day He's the man. Cashman should be sending him a good portion of his paycheck every month. |
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Post by NEW YORK on Sept 10, 2014 15:48:48 GMT -5
When you can spend an offseason plugging some holes in the lineup after missing the postseason by roughly 5 games, you are closer to winning a title than a team that literally needs to plug an entire roster and missed the postseason by 7,466 games Sorry Chapp, not rocket science Cherington took a last place team to a championship in a single year. So I'm not too worried about he final standings. I'm looking at that Yankees roster and I seriously wonder what has you excited for 2015? You still have Arod, Teixiera, Sabathia, Beltran & Mccann as starters. That's just not a good enough core to get it done. I'm sure you see that??? The Sox were in last place with a lot of the same players that won a title Chappee. That says more about those players. Cashman took a non 2008 playoff team and won a title in 09. Sorry, not gonna convince me a healthy staff and an impact bat at SS and OF doesn't have the Yankees in the thick of things in 2015 |
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Post by JerzyJeff on Sept 10, 2014 15:51:10 GMT -5
Chappee hates Cashman ... in case anyone doesnt know I've seen a lot of Yankees fans on Twitter that agree. But getting Dirt to come around has been hard work. Remember when Theo Epstein was the greatest thing since a head cheese sandwich. Sox fans were calling for his head by the time he was fired. He went from young genius to bum so quickly it made you head spin. It's not always the GMs fault or credit. |
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Post by Chappion on Sept 10, 2014 15:52:04 GMT -5
Cherington took a last place team to a championship in a single year. So I'm not too worried about he final standings. I'm looking at that Yankees roster and I seriously wonder what has you excited for 2015? You still have Arod, Teixiera, Sabathia, Beltran & Mccann as starters. That's just not a good enough core to get it done. I'm sure you see that??? The Sox were in last place with a lot of the same players that won a title Chappee. That says more about those players. Cashman took a non 2008 playoff team and won a title in 09. Sorry, not gonna convince me a healthy staff and an impact bat at SS and OF doesn't have the Yankees in the thick of things in 2015 He's still living off of 2009. He'd better hope to hit some major home runs in free agency this offseason. I don't like his odds. He's also going to have to have a healthy Tanaka. And that is very questionable, too. |
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Post by Chappion on Sept 10, 2014 15:54:53 GMT -5
I've seen a lot of Yankees fans on Twitter that agree. But getting Dirt to come around has been hard work. Remember when Theo Epstein was the greatest thing since a head cheese sandwich. Sox fans were calling for his head by the time he was fired. He went from young genius to bum so quickly it made you head spin. It's not always the GMs fault or credit. He did some great things for that 2004 team (and 2007). He was also great at the draft. One of the best there. It all blew up on him in free agency, as well. Those $100m+ contracts can be your worst enemy. |
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Post by NEW YORK on Sept 10, 2014 15:55:32 GMT -5
The Sox were in last place with a lot of the same players that won a title Chappee. That says more about those players. Cashman took a non 2008 playoff team and won a title in 09. Sorry, not gonna convince me a healthy staff and an impact bat at SS and OF doesn't have the Yankees in the thick of things in 2015 He's still living off of 2009. He'd better hope to hit some major home runs in free agency this offseason. I don't like his odds. He's also going to have to have a healthy Tanaka. And that is very questionable, too. And if still love to know the AL east juggernaut that's expected to run and hide from the Yankees if they do tweak some upgrades You believe that much in the Orioles staying power? Not knocking them, but I dont |
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Post by JerzyJeff on Sept 10, 2014 15:56:33 GMT -5
When you can spend an offseason plugging some holes in the lineup after missing the postseason by roughly 5 games, you are closer to winning a title than a team that literally needs to plug an entire roster and missed the postseason by 7,466 games Sorry Chapp, not rocket science Cherington took a last place team to a championship in a single year. So I'm not too worried about he final standings. I'm looking at that Yankees roster and I seriously wonder what has you excited for 2015? You still have Arod, Teixiera, Sabathia, Beltran & Mccann as starters. That's just not a good enough core to get it done. I'm sure you see that??? And he's taken them back to last. So, he should take as much blame as he got credit for last year. Not much of a head scratcher. |
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Post by NEW YORK on Sept 10, 2014 15:56:31 GMT -5
Remember when Theo Epstein was the greatest thing since a head cheese sandwich. Sox fans were calling for his head by the time he was fired. He went from young genius to bum so quickly it made you head spin. It's not always the GMs fault or credit. He did some great things for that 2004 team (and 2007). He was also great at the draft. One of the best there. It all blew up on him in free agency, as well. Those $100m+ contracts can be your worst enemy. There arena sox fans that will tell you he had nothing to do with 04, much like you think Cashman had nothing to do with the dynasty |
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Post by NEW YORK on Sept 10, 2014 15:59:12 GMT -5
Cherington took a last place team to a championship in a single year. So I'm not too worried about he final standings. I'm looking at that Yankees roster and I seriously wonder what has you excited for 2015? You still have Arod, Teixiera, Sabathia, Beltran & Mccann as starters. That's just not a good enough core to get it done. I'm sure you see that??? And he's taken them back to last. So, he should take as much blame as he got credit for last year. Not much of a head scratcher. It's almost like we give them credit for stinking it up in 2012 cause they won in 13 |
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Post by Chappion on Sept 10, 2014 15:59:23 GMT -5
He's still living off of 2009. He'd better hope to hit some major home runs in free agency this offseason. I don't like his odds. He's also going to have to have a healthy Tanaka. And that is very questionable, too. And if still love to know the AL east juggernaut that's expected to run and hide from the Yankees if they do tweak some upgrades You believe that much in the Orioles staying power? Not knocking them, but I dont I don't, either. I think the division could/should be up for grabs in 2015. I just think you need to take a long hard look at that roster and wonder where your optimism is coming from. That team is more than a couple tweaks away in my opinion. |
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Post by NEW YORK on Sept 10, 2014 16:00:23 GMT -5
And if still love to know the AL east juggernaut that's expected to run and hide from the Yankees if they do tweak some upgrades You believe that much in the Orioles staying power? Not knocking them, but I dont I don't, either. I think the division could/should be up for grabs in 2015. I just think you need to take a long hard look at that roster and wonder where your optimism is coming from. That team is more than a couple tweaks away in my opinion. Than we dis-agree Don't think it's far fetched to think they could have the best rotation and BP in the division That's more than just a start |
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Post by Chappion on Sept 10, 2014 16:04:05 GMT -5
Cherington took a last place team to a championship in a single year. So I'm not too worried about he final standings. I'm looking at that Yankees roster and I seriously wonder what has you excited for 2015? You still have Arod, Teixiera, Sabathia, Beltran & Mccann as starters. That's just not a good enough core to get it done. I'm sure you see that??? And he's taken them back to last. So, he should take as much blame as he got credit for last year. Not much of a head scratcher. Definitely. This season has been an absolute disaster. Not denying that at all. But is it really much better to be the 15th best team in MLB than the 28th best?? |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 10, 2014 16:04:14 GMT -5
He's still living off of 2009. He'd better hope to hit some major home runs in free agency this offseason. I don't like his odds. He's also going to have to have a healthy Tanaka. And that is very questionable, too. And if still love to know the AL east juggernaut that's expected to run and hide from the Yankees if they do tweak some upgrades You believe that much in the Orioles staying power? Not knocking them, but I dont People have been waiting for them to start sucking again for 3 years now... |
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Post by Chappion on Sept 10, 2014 16:05:47 GMT -5
He did some great things for that 2004 team (and 2007). He was also great at the draft. One of the best there. It all blew up on him in free agency, as well. Those $100m+ contracts can be your worst enemy. There arena sox fans that will tell you he had nothing to do with 04, much like you think Cashman had nothing to do with the dynasty Who would say that about '04?? Theo signed Ortiz and acquired Schilling, Mueller & Millar. Also traded Nomar. Any Sox fan who gives him no credit there wasn't paying attention. |
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Post by lemiwinks on Sept 10, 2014 16:05:57 GMT -5
He's still living off of 2009. He'd better hope to hit some major home runs in free agency this offseason. I don't like his odds. He's also going to have to have a healthy Tanaka. And that is very questionable, too. And if still love to know the AL east juggernaut that's expected to run and hide from the Yankees if they do tweak some upgrades You believe that much in the Orioles staying power? Not knocking them, but I dont Its not the other ALeast teams elevating themselves....its the Yankees continuing to sink in the muck and the mire. |
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Post by NEW YORK on Sept 10, 2014 16:07:27 GMT -5
And if still love to know the AL east juggernaut that's expected to run and hide from the Yankees if they do tweak some upgrades You believe that much in the Orioles staying power? Not knocking them, but I dont People have been waiting for them to start sucking again for 3 years now... "Sucking" and not confident in a repeat of this season are not the same thing Buck is a genius, they won't suck, I just don't see them as a huge mountain to overcome |
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Post by Chappion on Sept 10, 2014 16:08:45 GMT -5
I don't, either. I think the division could/should be up for grabs in 2015. I just think you need to take a long hard look at that roster and wonder where your optimism is coming from. That team is more than a couple tweaks away in my opinion. Than we dis-agree Don't think it's far fetched to think they could have the best rotation and BP in the division That's more than just a start I like the bullpen, too. We'll see what happens in the offseason. The Yankees will have some luxury tax issues if they want to sign more high-priced guys. All those $20m contracts hurt you eventually. |
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Post by NEW YORK on Sept 10, 2014 16:09:16 GMT -5
And if still love to know the AL east juggernaut that's expected to run and hide from the Yankees if they do tweak some upgrades You believe that much in the Orioles staying power? Not knocking them, but I dont Its not the other ALeast teams elevating themselves....its the Yankees continuing to sink in the muck and the mire. Fair. The Rays will never spend enough to be more than very much "in the mix". The Jays I'll never figure out, but they are the same team every year. The. Sox aren't a mirage IMO, there are serious issues top to bottom IMO |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 10, 2014 16:13:55 GMT -5
People have been waiting for them to start sucking again for 3 years now... "Sucking" and not confident in a repeat of this season are not the same thing Buck is a genius, they won't suck, I just don't see them as a huge mountain to overcome I think they have been about the same team. The contributions haven't always come from the same guys. But they have been about the same most of this time. Its the other team in the AL East that have changed. No they are not a "mountain" They are around an 85 Win team in a good division and a 90+ win team in a bad Division.. |
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Post by JerzyJeff on Sept 10, 2014 16:14:25 GMT -5
Than we dis-agree Don't think it's far fetched to think they could have the best rotation and BP in the division That's more than just a start I like the bullpen, too. We'll see what happens in the offseason. The Yankees will have some luxury tax issues if they want to sign more high-priced guys. All those $20m contracts hurt you eventually. Chappee.....will you ever get it into your head that the Yanks really don't care about money if they think it's going to help the team? |
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Post by NEW YORK on Sept 10, 2014 16:15:14 GMT -5
"Sucking" and not confident in a repeat of this season are not the same thing Buck is a genius, they won't suck, I just don't see them as a huge mountain to overcome I think they have been about the same team. The contributions haven't always come from the same guys. But they have been about the same most of this time. Its the other team in the AL East that have changed. No they are not a "mountain" They are around an 85 Win team in a good division and a 90+ win team in a bad Division.. And again, Nelson Cruz is the 2nd in voting with Vmart IMO in the MVP That's a lot to replace if they have to |
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