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Post by lemiwinks on Sept 10, 2014 16:18:30 GMT -5
Its not the other ALeast teams elevating themselves....its the Yankees continuing to sink in the muck and the mire. Fair. The Rays will never spend enough to be more than very much "in the mix". The Jays I'll never figure out, but they are the same team every year. The. Sox aren't a mirage IMO, there are serious issues top to bottom IMO its more the Orioles and maybe the Jays..... The yanks are getting another year older, who is their rising offensive star? who is getting better? Just about all of them on the downside of their peak...and nobody had a good year. Who is getting better? And what is the rotation? You cant expect Tanaka to do anything much next year.......takes a year to get your arm back and then another season to get your command back.... .500 this year......lucky to reach that next year. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 10, 2014 16:21:35 GMT -5
I think they have been about the same team. The contributions haven't always come from the same guys. But they have been about the same most of this time. Its the other team in the AL East that have changed. No they are not a "mountain" They are around an 85 Win team in a good division and a 90+ win team in a bad Division.. And again, Nelson Cruz is the 2nd in voting with Vmart IMO in the MVP That's a lot to replace if they have to Davis went from MVP Caliber to Sub 200 BA and Half the HRs. Wieters was having an awesome start to season and got hurt. Joesph has done well as a replacement... The Contributions just changed hands.. Will they change again or will they falter? Time will tell, so far they seem to hit on someone.. |
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Post by Chappion on Sept 10, 2014 16:26:29 GMT -5
I like the bullpen, too. We'll see what happens in the offseason. The Yankees will have some luxury tax issues if they want to sign more high-priced guys. All those $20m contracts hurt you eventually. Chappee.....will you ever get it into your head that the Yanks really don't care about money if they think it's going to help the team? I believed that with George in charge. Not so much now. But we'll see. I'm not sure how a team can spend $200m and have so many holes in the first place. |
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Post by pr0t0cl0wn on Sept 10, 2014 16:30:11 GMT -5
For Pedroia's surgery, do they just put him in one of those little trays that they use in high school bio classes when they dissect frogs?
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Post by lemiwinks on Sept 10, 2014 16:31:30 GMT -5
Cub fans 2015 > Yankee fans 2015.........with about the same record of a little below .500
young and getting better > old and getting worse.
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Post by Super Paul Mullin on Sept 10, 2014 17:18:29 GMT -5
Cherington took a last place team to a championship in a single year. So I'm not too worried about he final standings. I'm looking at that Yankees roster and I seriously wonder what has you excited for 2015? You still have Arod, Teixiera, Sabathia, Beltran & Mccann as starters. That's just not a good enough core to get it done. I'm sure you see that??? And he's taken them back to last. So, he should take as much blame as he got credit for last year. Not much of a head scratcher. According to Dirt you can't blame GM's when players underperform. Sorry, but take it up with Dirt. |
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Post by NEW YORK on Sept 10, 2014 17:19:25 GMT -5
And he's taken them back to last. So, he should take as much blame as he got credit for last year. Not much of a head scratcher. According to Dirt you can't blame GM's when players underperform. Sorry, but take it up with Dirt. Why I spend more time ripping gutless players like.....the Red Sox |
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Post by OXlodge on Sept 10, 2014 17:22:19 GMT -5
So Dusty got a widdle boo boo?
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Post by Super Paul Mullin on Sept 10, 2014 17:23:01 GMT -5
According to Dirt you can't blame GM's when players underperform. Sorry, but take it up with Dirt. Why I spend more time ripping gutless players like.....the Red Sox And nary a mention of Beltran, Teixeira, and McCann't. I wonder why that is. Are they all on "hot streaks"? |
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Post by Chappion on Sept 10, 2014 17:25:51 GMT -5
So Dusty got a widdle boo boo? 3 straight years with a hand/wrist surgery?? He's done. |
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Post by Chappion on Sept 10, 2014 17:28:48 GMT -5
Why I spend more time ripping gutless players like.....the Red Sox And nary a mention of Beltran, Teixeira, and McCann't. I wonder why that is. Are they all on "hot streaks"? Careful! That's the heart of the order for the Yanks in 2015....and 2016. I smell a ticker tape parade! |
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Post by JerzyJeff on Sept 10, 2014 17:53:20 GMT -5
And he's taken them back to last. So, he should take as much blame as he got credit for last year. Not much of a head scratcher. According to Dirt you can't blame GM's when players underperform. Sorry, but take it up with Dirt. Which hits the nail on the head and is my point. GM's sign/trade for players based on past performance or potential. Sometimes it works out, sometimes not. Cherington's moves worked out last year. This year, not so much. He's no more a bum this year than a genius last. Chappee likes to throw names of Yankee "busts" that Cashman should be held accountable for. Like he should know Beltran would have elbow chips or Tanaka (who he looked like a genius for signing before his injury) would hurt his arm. No different for Cherington who re-signed Napoli (based on last year) underperforming or signing Perzynski or Victorino getting hurt etc. |
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Post by Super Paul Mullin on Sept 10, 2014 18:09:58 GMT -5
According to Dirt you can't blame GM's when players underperform. Sorry, but take it up with Dirt. Which hits the nail on the head and is my point. GM's sign/trade for players based on past performance or potential. Sometimes it works out, sometimes not. Cherington's moves worked out last year. This year, not so much. He's no more a bum this year than a genius last. Chappee likes to throw names of Yankee "busts" that Cashman should be held accountable for. Like he should know Beltran would have elbow chips or Tanaka (who he looked like a genius for signing before his injury) would hurt his arm. No different for Cherington who re-signed Napoli (based on last year) underperforming or signing Perzynski or Victorino getting hurt etc. I tend to agree but I also think that Chappee's point goes a little beyond that. Giving an overweight pitcher on the wrong side of 30 a long extension is probably not a good idea. Signing a 39 year old to be your starting shortstop, despite an HOFer, probably is not going to work out for you (I understand this was a public relations move as much as anything). I don't really blame Cashman for McCann, but Beltran is 37 and was not exactly the picture of health over the last several years. |
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Post by Chappion on Sept 10, 2014 18:17:37 GMT -5
Which hits the nail on the head and is my point. GM's sign/trade for players based on past performance or potential. Sometimes it works out, sometimes not. Cherington's moves worked out last year. This year, not so much. He's no more a bum this year than a genius last. Chappee likes to throw names of Yankee "busts" that Cashman should be held accountable for. Like he should know Beltran would have elbow chips or Tanaka (who he looked like a genius for signing before his injury) would hurt his arm. No different for Cherington who re-signed Napoli (based on last year) underperforming or signing Perzynski or Victorino getting hurt etc. I tend to agree but I also think that Chappee's point goes a little beyond that. Giving an overweight pitcher on the wrong side of 30 a long extension is probably not a good idea. Signing a 39 year old to be your starting shortstop, despite an HOFer, probably is not going to work out for you (I understand this was a public relations move as much as anything). I don't really blame Cashman for McCann, but Beltran is 37 and was not exactly the picture of health over the last several years. Exactly. And the contract for a guy like Ellsbury was absurd, as well. Although I didn't see many Yankees fans who approved of that one at the time. |
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Post by Chappion on Sept 10, 2014 18:25:02 GMT -5
Look at how much money they still owe Pedroia! Yikes! 2015:$12.5M, 2016:$13M, 2017:$15M, 2018:$16M, 2019:$15M, 2020:$13M, 2021:$12M I wonder what he has left in the tank in 2015...not to mention 2021! Yup Tough call. Next years gonna be make or break for him here. Well...hopefully by 2020 there will be hand replacement surgery available to him. |
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Post by Super Paul Mullin on Sept 10, 2014 18:31:32 GMT -5
Look at how much money they still owe Pedroia! Yikes! 2015:$12.5M, 2016:$13M, 2017:$15M, 2018:$16M, 2019:$15M, 2020:$13M, 2021:$12M I wonder what he has left in the tank in 2015...not to mention 2021! Yup Tough call. Next years gonna be make or break for him here. Meh - you guys are overreacting. His offense wasn't great but he had a pretty good offensive year last year so it's not like there's been a steady decline. His defense has been outstanding this year. |
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Post by Chappion on Sept 10, 2014 18:37:31 GMT -5
Capuano looked good tonight.
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Post by Chappion on Sept 10, 2014 18:38:43 GMT -5
Yup Tough call. Next years gonna be make or break for him here. Meh - you guys are overreacting. His offense wasn't great but he had a pretty good offensive year last year so it's not like there's been a steady decline. His defense has been outstanding this year. I hope you are right, but he hasn't been worthy of that extension for a while. Now he's damaged goods with SEVEN years left on his deal. |
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Post by Super Paul Mullin on Sept 10, 2014 18:43:59 GMT -5
Meh - you guys are overreacting. His offense wasn't great but he had a pretty good offensive year last year so it's not like there's been a steady decline. His defense has been outstanding this year. I hope you are right, but he hasn't been worthy of that extension for a while. Now he's damaged goods with SEVEN years left on his deal. The latter years of that K are probably going to be ugly. I just think he's got at least 2 - 3 more quality years left in him. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 10, 2014 18:51:32 GMT -5
Yup Tough call. Next years gonna be make or break for him here. Meh - you guys are overreacting. His offense wasn't great but he had a pretty good offensive year last year so it's not like there's been a steady decline. His defense has been outstanding this year. No doubt the defense is there but hes also paid based on 15 and 85 or so production wise. Last few years his slugging has sunk like a stone. Not a good sign for a now oft injured tiny guy teetering on the wrong side of 30. Im a huge fan of his...but if the right offer came along...you have to wonder what the front office would do. |
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Post by Super Paul Mullin on Sept 10, 2014 19:02:46 GMT -5
Meh - you guys are overreacting. His offense wasn't great but he had a pretty good offensive year last year so it's not like there's been a steady decline. His defense has been outstanding this year. No doubt the defense is there but hes also paid based on 15 and 85 or so production wise. Last few years his slugging has sunk like a stone. Not a good sign for a now oft injured tiny guy teetering on the wrong side of 30. Im a huge fan of his...but if the right offer came along...you have to wonder what the front office would do. Wouldn't worry about that. 2019, 20, 21 make that contract pretty unattractive. |
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Post by Super Paul Mullin on Sept 10, 2014 19:19:30 GMT -5
McCann - 16 of his 18 homers are at home. McCann = product of the short porch.
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Post by pr0t0cl0wn on Sept 10, 2014 19:34:05 GMT -5
McCann - 16 of his 18 homers are at home. McCann = product of the short porch. He has a pretty predictable swing!  |
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Post by heatwave on Sept 10, 2014 19:37:12 GMT -5
Its not the other ALeast teams elevating themselves....its the Yankees continuing to sink in the muck and the mire. Fair. The Rays will never spend enough to be more than very much "in the mix". The Jays I'll never figure out, but they are the same team every year. The. Sox aren't a mirage IMO, there are serious issues top to bottom IMO We wont be missing what we are now. Jays have pitching to spare as of next year. Problem will be signing melky and a few pen arms |
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Post by pr0t0cl0wn on Sept 10, 2014 19:40:54 GMT -5
Guess who!  |
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Post by pr0t0cl0wn on Sept 10, 2014 19:42:08 GMT -5
He has a pretty predictable swing! I'm sure his hits graph looks similar. The shift has killed him and Teixeira. Only a few a hair under 350 too, so the home/road split is even more bizarre. No Yankee stadium cheapies. Figured he'd have at least a couple of those |
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Post by pr0t0cl0wn on Sept 10, 2014 19:47:04 GMT -5
Now who is this monster?  |
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Post by heatwave on Sept 10, 2014 19:50:15 GMT -5
Now who is this monster? Pedroia |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 10, 2014 19:50:36 GMT -5
According to Dirt you can't blame GM's when players underperform. Sorry, but take it up with Dirt. Which hits the nail on the head and is my point. GM's sign/trade for players based on past performance or potential. Sometimes it works out, sometimes not. Cherington's moves worked out last year. This year, not so much. He's no more a bum this year than a genius last. Chappee likes to throw names of Yankee "busts" that Cashman should be held accountable for. Like he should know Beltran would have elbow chips or Tanaka (who he looked like a genius for signing before his injury) would hurt his arm. No different for Cherington who re-signed Napoli (based on last year) underperforming or signing Perzynski or Victorino getting hurt etc. No. You should only sign for what your future expectation is for the player. Yes track record is a part of it, but any decision to sign a player goes way beyond surface numbers these days. You have countless studies about the age curve overall and for each posistion. Truely every single contract a GM sign is just a calculated gamble. Because you can't predict what they will do. You can only go by your methods, scouting reports, analysis, common sense, and numbers to try and get the best bang for your buck. I don't think you can excuse a signing for someone as old as Beltran. Signing anyone that age, regardless of track record is higher risk.. I wouldn't consider the McCann signing a bad one. He is still young enough and his value comes a lot from his work behind the plate anyways. You really shouldn't expect a pull hitting catcher to hit for average. The Power should still be around and that is precisely why they signed him. Because his dead pull caters to Yankee Stadium.. |
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Post by Chappion on Sept 10, 2014 19:52:21 GMT -5
He has a pretty predictable swing! I'm sure his hits graph looks similar. The shift has killed him and Teixeira. Being shitty has hurt those 2, as well. |
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