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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2014 14:20:08 GMT -5
Pedroia? Oh shit just real up in here son. his production is down from last year, an 'injury year' he was supposed to rebound this year power wise, everythings down we've collectively said this, a lot...so its been 'real' for a while |
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Post by OXlodge on Jul 25, 2014 14:21:18 GMT -5
Pedroia? Oh shit just real up in here son. his production is down from last year, an 'injury year' he was supposed to rebound this year power wise, everythings down we've collectively said this, a lot...so its been 'real' for a while Yeah but he plays premium defense and can run the bases baby!!! |
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Post by down38str8 on Jul 25, 2014 14:21:40 GMT -5
#1. Corner OF'ers - Victorino, Nava, Sizemore, Carp all busts... #2. Middlebrooks...he was expected to be a solid #6 hitter and has provided bupkiss and forced them to move bogie to 3rd and sign drew...which has been a catastrophe #3. Catchers #4. Buchholz #5. Peavy Somewhere after that, is the slight downgrade they've gotten from JBJ (overall), his defense hasn't completely closed the gap from what they lost offensively...but it's closed it some...his bat wouldn't be considered a problem if the 8 guys ahead of him were pulling their weight...which for most of the season? They weren't... pedroia belongs there too True...you could probably insert him between buchholz and Peavy...as down a year as it's been, he's still an above average player...those guys above him? have been FAR below average at their positions. Boston ranks 14th in 2b OPS (MLB) - add his defensive contribution? He's not hurting them as much as 18th and 20th ranks in RF and LF, 2 run producing positions where they've been largely terrible sans Brock holt....and they're dead last in 3b OPS.. fucking .585....awful... And the catchers is more about AJP being a shit stain to the point he got released for it... #2,856,4773,484 - Ortiz asking for a new contract in ST |
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Post by OXlodge on Jul 25, 2014 14:24:20 GMT -5
Down,
Maybe they're just really mad at Ortiz and they're quitting.
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Post by PeteNYC on Jul 25, 2014 14:27:26 GMT -5
They're getting better production out of the leadoff spot and getting better defense in centerfield. #1. Corner OF'ers - Victorino, Nava, Sizemore, Carp all busts... #2. Middlebrooks...he was expected to be a solid #6 hitter and has provided bupkiss and forced them to move bogie to 3rd and sign drew...which has been a catastrophe #3. Catchers #4. Buchholz #5. Peavy Somewhere after that, is the slight downgrade they've gotten from JBJ (overall), his defense hasn't completely closed the gap from what they lost offensively...but it's closed it some...his bat wouldn't be considered a problem if the 8 guys ahead of him were pulling their weight...which for most of the season? They weren't... So, when Brett Gardner was batting 80 points higher, playing GG outfield and stealing bases, he was a gaping hole in the Yankees line up. but .229 hitting CF that strikes out more than Rock at a single club wouldn't be noticed if the 8 other guys were ted williams- is that what you are saying? |
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Post by redsoxworrld on Jul 25, 2014 14:27:32 GMT -5
Down, Maybe they're just really mad at Ortiz and they're quitting. why has nobody questioned Greg Colbrunn's job as pitching coach? Other than Holt, has any hitter on that team not regressed this year? Ortiz has the numbers, but 40 whatever points below his average last year everybody else has been noticeably worse this year when does he get a finger pointed in his direction and let go let butterbean or whatever the fuck his name is take the job, Jeter still loves the guy....that has to mean something!!! |
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Post by Super Paul Mullin on Jul 25, 2014 14:28:24 GMT -5
So basically it takes 2 players to be Jacoby Ellsbury. Odd. I don't remember you defending Ellsbury in the old boomstick threads. Even in 2011 when he was hitting the cover off the ball. Wonder what changed..... |
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Post by down38str8 on Jul 25, 2014 14:28:30 GMT -5
#1. Corner OF'ers - Victorino, Nava, Sizemore, Carp all busts... #2. Middlebrooks...he was expected to be a solid #6 hitter and has provided bupkiss and forced them to move bogie to 3rd and sign drew...which has been a catastrophe #3. Catchers #4. Buchholz #5. Peavy Somewhere after that, is the slight downgrade they've gotten from JBJ (overall), his defense hasn't completely closed the gap from what they lost offensively...but it's closed it some...his bat wouldn't be considered a problem if the 8 guys ahead of him were pulling their weight...which for most of the season? They weren't... So, when Brett Gardner was batting 80 points higher, playing GG outfield and stealing bases, he was a gaping hole in the Yankees line up. but .229 hitting CF that strikes out more than Rock at a single club wouldn't be noticed if the 8 other guys were ted williams- is that what you are saying? LF vs. CF Let me know when you've watched enough baseball to comprehend the difference. |
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Post by OXlodge on Jul 25, 2014 14:30:45 GMT -5
So basically it takes 2 players to be Jacoby Ellsbury. Odd. I don't remember you defending Ellsbury in the old boomstick threads. Even in 2011 when he was hitting the cover off the ball. Wonder what changed..... I had him as one of the best OFers in baseball. Yankees fans were saying he was ruining players like Beltre with collisions because he was a terrible defender. You definitely have the wrong guy. I've always liked Ellsbury. Now we can talk Pedroia anytime you want negatively. |
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Post by PeteNYC on Jul 25, 2014 14:31:27 GMT -5
So, when Brett Gardner was batting 80 points higher, playing GG outfield and stealing bases, he was a gaping hole in the Yankees line up. but .229 hitting CF that strikes out more than Rock at a single club wouldn't be noticed if the 8 other guys were ted williams- is that what you are saying? LF vs. CF Let me know when you've watched enough baseball to comprehend the difference. can you explain how the Yankees went to 7 World Series with a SS and a CF'er that were well behind the league leaders in DWAR?! Thanks. |
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Post by Just Another Shem on Jul 25, 2014 14:32:00 GMT -5
So basically it takes 2 players to be Jacoby Ellsbury. Yeah, Jackie Bradley is not hitting in the leadoff spot, Hector... |
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Post by OXlodge on Jul 25, 2014 14:33:32 GMT -5
So basically it takes 2 players to be Jacoby Ellsbury. Yeah, Jackie Bradley is not hitting in the leadoff spot, Hector... LOL, exactly. You need Holt to hit leadoff and Bradley who hits at the bottom order to play CF defense. 2 players one Ellsbury. |
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Post by Super Paul Mullin on Jul 25, 2014 14:35:06 GMT -5
They're getting better production out of the leadoff spot and getting better defense in centerfield. #1. Corner OF'ers - Victorino, Nava, Sizemore, Carp all busts... #2. Middlebrooks...he was expected to be a solid #6 hitter and has provided bupkiss and forced them to move bogie to 3rd and sign drew...which has been a catastrophe #3. Catchers #4. Buchholz #5. Peavy Somewhere after that, is the slight downgrade they've gotten from JBJ (overall), his defense hasn't completely closed the gap from what they lost offensively...but it's closed it some...his bat wouldn't be considered a problem if the 8 guys ahead of him were pulling their weight...which for most of the season? They weren't... This isn't a bad list - but I'd also look at team wide factors - e.g. few on the team are hitting well with RISP. (ironically JBJ isn't that bad in that department). All of them seem to love to hit into double plays. They seem to have a hard time coming up with productive outs. The Jays game the other day was a perfect example - sox get men on 2nd and 3rd with no out. Dickey proceeds to strike out the next two guys and then Pedroia grounds out. Those type of innings are becoming familiar. |
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Post by down38str8 on Jul 25, 2014 14:35:09 GMT -5
LF vs. CF Let me know when you've watched enough baseball to comprehend the difference. can you explain how the Yankees went to 7 World Series with a SS and a CF'er that were well behind the league leaders in DWAR?! Thanks. dWAR sucks...I've never used it to make an argument except when arguing AGAINST it... But how were the able to over come their defensive deficiencies? Great pitching and offense...glad I could help. |
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Post by down38str8 on Jul 25, 2014 14:40:03 GMT -5
So basically it takes 2 players to be Jacoby Ellsbury. Yeah, Jackie Bradley is not hitting in the leadoff spot, Hector... Snuggles is actually right about this... Last year, they had a .703 OPS from the #9 spot, this year, bradley is at .622, lower yes...but that gap is again closed by the much improved defense in CF they are getting. Last year, they had a .770 OPS from Ellsbury at leadoff. To make my point, this year Holt has an .807 OPS batting leadoff, in the 56 games he's hit leadoff? They're 27-29..offensive production has been a problem from the team, but it hasn't been the leadoff spot...it's basically been 6-9 that's been killing them... |
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Post by The Bag on Jul 25, 2014 17:51:34 GMT -5
If someone said that, it would be indeed laughable. The fall off in CF production is, as noted, definitely one of the top ten problems. They're getting better production out of the leadoff spot and getting better defense in centerfield. please post your list of ten reasons to give cereal a laugh. "farrel's managing > leadoff cf" lol |
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Post by The Bag on Jul 25, 2014 17:52:48 GMT -5
So basically it takes 2 players to be Jacoby Ellsbury. one is better on d, one on o. duh. dummy |
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Post by The Bag on Jul 25, 2014 17:55:05 GMT -5
They're getting better production out of the leadoff spot and getting better defense in centerfield. #1. Corner OF'ers - Victorino, Nava, Sizemore, Carp all busts... #2. Middlebrooks...he was expected to be a solid #6 hitter and has provided bupkiss and forced them to move bogie to 3rd and sign drew...which has been a catastrophe #3. Catchers #4. Buchholz #5. Peavy Somewhere after that, is the slight downgrade they've gotten from JBJ (overall), his defense hasn't completely closed the gap from what they lost offensively...but it's closed it some...his bat wouldn't be considered a problem if the 8 guys ahead of him were pulling their weight...which for most of the season? They weren't... this is 10000% more of an agreeable debate than top ten. hard to call victorino a "bust" for being hurt. and i agree if the rest of the lineup was hitting, JBJ's lack of hitting wouldnt be an issue. please educate snoogs. |
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Post by The Bag on Jul 25, 2014 17:56:42 GMT -5
pedroia belongs there too True...you could probably insert him between buchholz and Peavy...as down a year as it's been, he's still an above average player...those guys above him? have been FAR below average at their positions. Boston ranks 14th in 2b OPS (MLB) - add his defensive contribution? He's not hurting them as much as 18th and 20th ranks in RF and LF, 2 run producing positions where they've been largely terrible sans Brock holt....and they're dead last in 3b OPS.. fucking .585....awful... And the catchers is more about AJP being a shit stain to the point he got released for it... #2,856,4773,484 - Ortiz asking for a new contract in ST word word word word. in fairness to cherrington, ajp has been better offensively throughout his entire career than salty was, and that doesnt factor in salty's price. and clay we knew was a crapshoot coming in. |
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Post by The Bag on Jul 25, 2014 17:59:01 GMT -5
So, when Brett Gardner was batting 80 points higher, playing GG outfield and stealing bases, he was a gaping hole in the Yankees line up. but .229 hitting CF that strikes out more than Rock at a single club wouldn't be noticed if the 8 other guys were ted williams- is that what you are saying? LF vs. CF Let me know when you've watched enough baseball to comprehend the difference. uh pete last year, drew was that guy who coudlnt hit for shit but it went unnoticed because the rest of the team was stacked at the plate. |
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Post by The Bag on Jul 25, 2014 18:53:20 GMT -5
"victorino being a bust is why the sox are in last"
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Post by BUCCS469 on Jul 25, 2014 18:59:53 GMT -5
"victorino being a bust is why the sox are in last" 1 homer makes him a key contributor.... |
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Post by The Bag on Jul 25, 2014 19:14:13 GMT -5
"victorino being a bust is why the sox are in last" 1 homer makes him a key contributor.... "players can either be busts or key contributers" - buccs logic |
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Post by gener8tr on Jul 25, 2014 20:39:00 GMT -5
All is happy in the Heatwave household - José Reyes singled to shallow left center. Munenori Kawasaki struck out swinging. Melky Cabrera singled to shallow right, José Reyes to third. José Bautista homered to deep left, José Reyes and Melky Cabrera scored. Umm, whoopsie...
But that's not why I'm here this evening. Nope, I'm here to set the record straight once again and let all you minions know how wrong y'all were about Cervelli... and that includes you Yankees fans.
I was the ONLY one here who said the Great Gazoo was a baller before the season started, and he's KILLING it right now. Yankees would be lost without him the past couple weeks.
I accept your apologies.
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Post by gener8tr on Jul 25, 2014 20:45:05 GMT -5
Oh hell, I just tuned-in to NESN for the Longoria laser-show.
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Post by The Bag on Jul 25, 2014 20:56:35 GMT -5
rays cant double up ortiz? shameful.
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Post by The Bag on Jul 25, 2014 21:02:45 GMT -5
a pitcher celebrates striking out gomes? lol
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Post by BUCCS469 on Jul 25, 2014 22:44:59 GMT -5
1 homer makes him a key contributor.... "players can either be busts or key contributers" - buccs logic "he made a difference tonight" |
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Post by BUCCS469 on Jul 25, 2014 22:47:22 GMT -5
brock holt and jbj were amazing tonight!!!!!
miracle win for the rays!!!!
[HASH]defense
[HASH]amazingcatches
[HASH]intangibles
[HASH]humpingeverythingiusedtomakefunofthejetesfor
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Post by mrpickles on Jul 26, 2014 8:51:22 GMT -5
"players can either be busts or key contributers" - buccs logic "he made a difference tonight" Hes been hurt almost the whole year. How can he be a bust |
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