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Post by redsoxworrld on Jul 25, 2014 11:15:16 GMT -5
hey guys....can we talk about how great graady sizemore is now......remember rock hyping that fuckwagon for a month....how genius it was lol....fuckin sox fans.... jackie bradley junior is ten times the center fielder jacblobly jellsbury ever was. Its what they do They Hump a guy because of his "Last 8 games" When you remind them of it 2 weeks later, we would rather discuss global warming havent you already humped the impact of pinstripes on brandon mccarthy after two games? |
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Post by Super Paul Mullin on Jul 25, 2014 11:16:30 GMT -5
"Beltran and McCann are heating up" apparently is different from humping their last 8 games.
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Post by Just Another Shem on Jul 25, 2014 11:16:30 GMT -5
You write god awful retarded nonsense like this... and then have the balls to say someone else doesn't know the game. Youre a Stat Humper Ive said this before....This is the only place on planet earth where a guy like me actually gets criticzed for WATCHING the games..."Dirts seeing Eye Test", yeah mock me for understanding in any sport that not every single piece of important information about any player, can be found on BR And you don't find it fascinating that your eyes tell you that every player who wears a Boston uniform in any sport at any time always sucks? And that every person who ever wears a New York jersey in any sport on any team is always better than his Boston counterpart? You don't begin to doubt your eyes when you come to the same conclusion in every evaluation, ever? |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2014 11:17:35 GMT -5
"Beltran and McCann are heating up" apparently is different from humping their last 8 games. LMAO did you catch where ox called brandon mccarthy the yankees "best pitcher"? his words |
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Post by Just Another Shem on Jul 25, 2014 11:17:52 GMT -5
"Beltran and McCann are heating up" apparently is different from humping their last 8 games. I called him out on this a few pages ago... Your'e gonna make him go all caps if you keep this up. |
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Post by redsoxworrld on Jul 25, 2014 11:18:07 GMT -5
"Beltran and McCann are heating up" apparently is different from humping their last 8 games. OH SNAP |
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Post by BUCCS469 on Jul 25, 2014 11:22:34 GMT -5
what place are the red sox in?
lets talk about that stat now
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Post by The Bag on Jul 25, 2014 11:23:15 GMT -5
So if the Red Sox get a good centerfielder that is comparable to Ellsbury and keep everything else, they'll be in 1st place next year? Is that what I'm reading? nope however, to say elsbury gone isnt a top 3 reason for them being bad this season is point blank foolish. |
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Post by OXlodge on Jul 25, 2014 11:24:49 GMT -5
"Beltran and McCann are heating up" apparently is different from humping their last 8 games. LMAO did you catch where ox called brandon mccarthy the yankees "best pitcher"? his words Mccarthy is their best pitcher on the roster. Or would you rather have Vidal Nuno, Chase Whitley, David Phelps or Kuroda? Embarrassing that the Red Sox are in last place, and that's who the yankees are tossing out there to help them win games. |
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Post by BUCCS469 on Jul 25, 2014 11:25:41 GMT -5
LMAO did you catch where ox called brandon mccarthy the yankees "best pitcher"? his words Mccarthy is their best pitcher on the roster. Or would you rather have Vidal Nuno, Chase Whitley, David Phelps or Kuroda? Embarrassing that the Red Sox are in last place, and that's who the yankees are tossing out there to help them win games. yeah but ellsbury being gone doesnt matter.....because brock holt and jbj are twice as good as him... |
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Post by The Bag on Jul 25, 2014 11:26:20 GMT -5
He knows nothing of the sport, doesnt watch it Looks at a stat sheet and concludes Player A is better than Player B Impact on any field goes beyond that......We havent mentioned that he led the league in Stolen Bases from the leadoff spot, which of course isnt at all important to be in scoring position with your legs when you have your run producers coming up Stolen bases... LOL... Brock Holy has 118 fewer plate appearances and only 7 fewer runs scored... Stolen base the most overrated statistic in professional sports... someone bringing up runs scored as a relevant stat, calling stolen bases an overrated stat. yep. dirt wins. snoogs knows nothing about baseball . |
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Post by Super Paul Mullin on Jul 25, 2014 11:27:57 GMT -5
All I want is a little objectivity.
Loss of Ellsbury hurts the Sox - they would have scored more runs with him as opposed to JBJ. I am confident in saying, however, that they still would not be in first place had he stayed - I think best case is the Sox with Ellsbury are around the .500 mark.
Sox have been killed as a team by failing to hit with RISP and having unproductive outs with men on. They lead the league in GIDP. Big time weakness hitting at SS, (both bogaerts and drew), 3rd WMB/Boga, fall off in average with Papi and Pedroia. Pitching has overall been good but have had guys like Mujica and Breslow suck.
Trust me - I wish swapping out centerfielders would solve all these problems. It would be great news. But I think we all know it won't come close to addressing the current mess.
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Post by BUCCS469 on Jul 25, 2014 11:31:51 GMT -5
Xander Bogaerts is in the top 3 of major league shortstops.......look at the numbers!!!
~shit actually said and believed by red sox fans on this board
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Post by PeteNYC on Jul 25, 2014 11:37:33 GMT -5
"the sox only suck because of bad luck.......the lack of offense isnt why they blow donkey cock......its that god damn jake peavy.....ohhh oh and that fucking asshole pierzynski.....on his fuckin cell phone....jbj has hit .336 since july 9th against starters whose last name ends in L.....this fucking team is close.....elite defensive players and hot bats are everywhere." ~rockford snuggleator What three sox players will Price get away with beaning tonight without getting ejected? maybe he will start the game by beaning the first two players...only a scumbag would do that! Sox fans complaining about beanings and payroll!! EPIC DAY! I gotta text DIRT! |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2014 11:37:39 GMT -5
We've never been an offense town! We've always been a 'defense first' town!"
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Post by Super Paul Mullin on Jul 25, 2014 11:42:50 GMT -5
What three sox players will Price get away with beaning tonight without getting ejected? maybe he will start the game by beaning the first two players...only a scumbag would do that! Sox fans complaining about beanings and payroll!! EPIC DAY! I gotta text DIRT! You should also let Dirt know you don't think Beltran should be on a major league roster. Dirt seems to think he's heating up. |
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Post by heatwave on Jul 25, 2014 11:45:09 GMT -5
what place are the red sox in? lets talk about that stat now Which one.. the one down humped that they were coming into toronto on the uptick? And hot. And left with battered women syndrome |
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Post by Mr mastodon farm on Jul 25, 2014 12:03:00 GMT -5
grady sizemore - comeback player of the year
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Post by Just Another Shem on Jul 25, 2014 12:30:18 GMT -5
So if the Red Sox get a good centerfielder that is comparable to Ellsbury and keep everything else, they'll be in 1st place next year? Is that what I'm reading? nope however, to say elsbury gone isnt a top 3 reason for them being bad this season is point blank foolish. If you ignore the fact that they're getting better production out of the lead-off spot and better defense in centerfield.. Yeah... Way more important than Pedroia hitting like a minor leaguer or Buchholz having an ERA triple what it was last season or Nava and Victorino 25 HRs and 100 RBIs off the pace they set last year... |
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Post by Just Another Shem on Jul 25, 2014 12:32:08 GMT -5
Stolen bases... LOL... Brock Holy has 118 fewer plate appearances and only 7 fewer runs scored... Stolen base the most overrated statistic in professional sports... someone bringing up runs scored as a relevant stat, calling stolen bases an overrated stat. yep. dirt wins. snoogs knows nothing about baseball . Seemed to be relevant to me since his point specifically referenced getting yourself in scoring position for your run producers... You're doing that "trying too hard" thing again... |
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Post by The Bag on Jul 25, 2014 12:36:59 GMT -5
nope however, to say elsbury gone isnt a top 3 reason for them being bad this season is point blank foolish. If you ignore the fact that they're getting better production out of the lead-off spot and better defense in centerfield.. Yeah... Way more important than Pedroia hitting like a minor leaguer or Buchholz having an ERA triple what it was last season or Nava and Victorino 25 HRs and 100 RBIs off the pace they set last year... youre comparing what two people are doing to one person you fucking dolt. "well player A is hitting better, and Player B is playing better d" thats two people.....compared to one.... and i agree pedroia is a bigger issue. clay, meh victornio/nava......with elsbury there, their issues are a moot point. and you listed 7 other things that were far less meaningless than elsbury. "our #4 pitcher is more important than a starting leadoff cf" moronic. |
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Post by Super Paul Mullin on Jul 25, 2014 12:51:42 GMT -5
What place would the Red Sox be in if Ellsbury was on the team. I've already said what I believe. What do you believe? not sure, but we cant deny for one instant that scoring runs has been their biggest issue, and a guy who steals a ton of bases, gets alot of hits, and can bop one out here and there would have helped them numerous times this season. If you don't know how to quantify it, how do you know how big a problem the lack of Ellsbury is? No one on this board (including Snoogins and Rock) has said the Sox would be the exact same team with Ellsbury instead of JBJ. I think they would be 5-6 games better with Ellsbury (and I think that's generous realizing that the difference between Ellsbury's WAR and JBJ's is less than 1). If you look at runs created, Ellsbury is 27 runs better (which I don't believe factors in defense). Still leaves the sox with a negative run differential. So maybe you're looking at a .500 team. So instead of being in last in the East, they'd be in 4th. |
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Post by redsoxworrld on Jul 25, 2014 12:52:04 GMT -5
Yam unwittingly just demonstrated why the loss of Ellsbury is overblown. elbury's loss isnt overblown. yanks fans are simply pointing out elsbury on the sox instead of JBJ makes them a better team, and they are right. sox fans (mostly u, rock, snoogs) are acting like his numbers were meaningless and he was carried last season. guy was a base stealing machine. stolen bases are very important. not only does it put a guy in scoring position, but it 1000)% gets in apitcher's head when that guy is on first. u think a pitcher with elsbury on first is 1000% focused on the batter? if you feel that way, you either never pitched or you were bad at it. stolen bases are very important but runs scored arent as much? seriously? why steal a base then? yam, i must be missing somethign here moneyball, if you are believer in it, basically says steals are worthless (i disagree somewhat, situationally...steals are huge (dave roberts just farted)) |
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Post by OXlodge on Jul 25, 2014 12:53:57 GMT -5
So what I'm getting here is that, a player leads off the game hits a sharp single to right, steals second because he has the ability to steal bases. Moves to 3rd on a ground ball to second.
The [HASH]3 hitters drives him in with a sac fly. The guy who got base and helped put himself in scoring position, was less valuable than the guy who hit the sac fly?
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Post by redsoxworrld on Jul 25, 2014 12:54:26 GMT -5
first time i have ever heard runs scored as being an overrated stat for a team, not overrated. for a player, completely. gimmie the guy "leading the league in runs scored". lemme see him hit before manny 2004. then gimmie that guy. hit him before ryan howard 2013. explain why he now "sucks in runs scored". it's dependent on those around you, which makes it a worthless stat to judge a player by. worthless? no way if a guy is scoring that many runs, it means he is getting on base a ton, which means he is either getting a lot of hits, which you just said is good, or is drawing a ton of walks so no way in hell is runs scored a worthless stat for an individual player |
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Post by The Bag on Jul 25, 2014 13:00:27 GMT -5
FIFY getting on base/putting YOURSELF in scoring position >>>>> getting an accolade for something someone else did. Anybody got a translator? So... Putting yourself in scoring position is good... But ACTUALLY scoring... is bad... Great work, Yam... Why don't you bang out and take the rest of the day off... show me one post where i said "scoring runs is bad" ill wait. i simply said stolen bases is something the player actually does himself. someone knocking him in is more on the batter than the baserunner. are there cases where a guy legs out a 1st to home? sure. but that's the exception, not the rule. |
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Post by The Bag on Jul 25, 2014 13:02:11 GMT -5
not sure, but we cant deny for one instant that scoring runs has been their biggest issue, and a guy who steals a ton of bases, gets alot of hits, and can bop one out here and there would have helped them numerous times this season. If you don't know how to quantify it, how do you know how big a problem the lack of Ellsbury is? No one on this board (including Snoogins and Rock) has said the Sox would be the exact same team with Ellsbury instead of JBJ. I think they would be 5-6 games better with Ellsbury (and I think that's generous realizing that the difference between Ellsbury's WAR and JBJ's is less than 1). If you look at runs created, Ellsbury is 27 runs better (which I don't believe factors in defense). Still leaves the sox with a negative run differential. So maybe you're looking at a .500 team. So instead of being in last in the East, they'd be in 4th. snoogs listed shit like jake peavy as a bigger than concern than no elsbury. lets play this game. you can have jake peavy from last season and JBJ in 2014, or jake peavy this season and elsbury in 2014. which one is the better combo? |
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Post by The Bag on Jul 25, 2014 13:05:15 GMT -5
not sure, but we cant deny for one instant that scoring runs has been their biggest issue, and a guy who steals a ton of bases, gets alot of hits, and can bop one out here and there would have helped them numerous times this season. If you don't know how to quantify it, how do you know how big a problem the lack of Ellsbury is? No one on this board (including Snoogins and Rock) has said the Sox would be the exact same team with Ellsbury instead of JBJ. I think they would be 5-6 games better with Ellsbury (and I think that's generous realizing that the difference between Ellsbury's WAR and JBJ's is less than 1). If you look at runs created, Ellsbury is 27 runs better (which I don't believe factors in defense). Still leaves the sox with a negative run differential. So maybe you're looking at a .500 team. So instead of being in last in the East, they'd be in 4th. i also never said they would be in first. but they have been PUTRID scoring this season. flat out awful. those 27 runs could be huge. |
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Post by The Bag on Jul 25, 2014 13:07:14 GMT -5
elbury's loss isnt overblown. yanks fans are simply pointing out elsbury on the sox instead of JBJ makes them a better team, and they are right. sox fans (mostly u, rock, snoogs) are acting like his numbers were meaningless and he was carried last season. guy was a base stealing machine. stolen bases are very important. not only does it put a guy in scoring position, but it 1000)% gets in apitcher's head when that guy is on first. u think a pitcher with elsbury on first is 1000% focused on the batter? if you feel that way, you either never pitched or you were bad at it. stolen bases are very important but runs scored arent as much WHEN JUDGING A PLAYER'S VALUE? seriously? why steal a base then? yam, i must be missing somethign here moneyball, if you are believer in it, basically says steals are worthless (i disagree somewhat, situationally...steals are huge (dave roberts just farted)) I finished the sentence for you. stop drawing conclusions on what i said and changing it. i simply said, the stat "runs scored" is overrated. many players have SHIT runs scored totals bc the guys arounf them suck dick. many guys have inflated runs scored bc they play before monsters. runs is based mostly on other people's work. stolen bases are purely based on their own doing. |
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Post by The Bag on Jul 25, 2014 13:09:24 GMT -5
for a team, not overrated. for a player, completely. gimmie the guy "leading the league in runs scored". lemme see him hit before manny 2004. then gimmie that guy. hit him before ryan howard 2013. explain why he now "sucks in runs scored". it's dependent on those around you, which makes it a worthless stat to judge a player by. worthless? no way if a guy is scoring that many runs, it means he is getting on base a ton, which means he is either getting a lot of hits, which you just said is good, or is drawing a ton of walksso no way in hell is runs scored a worthless stat for an individual player WHICH MAKES THE RUNS LESS IMPORTANT THAN HOW HE GOT ON BASE OR MOVED AROUND THE BASES. omg "less important" =/= worthless but when it comes to judging a player, IMO its worthless. |
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