Post by Zig on Jul 23, 2014 12:14:55 GMT -5
Pretty long so I'll just post the link: grantland.com/features/nfl-trade-value-assets-part-2/?ex_cid=espnsoc
and the part that should be the most interesting to discuss
Group 12: The Graybeards
11. Tom Brady, QB, New England
10. Drew Brees, QB, New Orleans
9. Matt Ryan, QB, Atlanta
8. Peyton Manning, QB, Denver
OK, maybe it’s unfair to lump the 29-year-old Ryan in a group where everybody else is 35 or older, but compared to the quarterbacks who have come into the league since Ryan, he plays like a 35-year-old. Ryan’s the only guy on this list whom you might struggle to imagine winning a Super Bowl with the right team around him, which is silly; he was one Harry Douglas slip away from likely making the Super Bowl two years ago, and Ryan was downright miraculous at times last year given that he was playing behind the league’s second-worst offensive line and throwing to Douglas as his top wideout for most of the season.
If anything, people underestimate just how far Brady fell last year. Sure, he also didn’t have much to throw to thanks to injuries and off-field chaos, but he had a more effective running game and a far better offensive line than Ryan. He had his worst completion percentage since 2003 and his worst and fewest yards per attempt since 2006 — and after Rob Gronkowski suffered a torn ACL against the Browns, Brady simply couldn’t move the ball well at all. I’m not really sure why or how his receivers will be better this year; you’re hoping that Danny Amendola stays healthy or that Aaron Dobson takes a big leap forward. Don’t worry, though: They have all the mid-round backup quarterback prospects you could ever need to back up Brady!
Manning is impossible to rank because he doesn’t fit in this vacuum. If you want to win a title in the next two seasons, you would give up just about anything for Peyton Manning. Even if he’s not the record-setter he was in 2013, he’s probably worth something like six wins on his own until the day he retires, which is impossible to get from anybody else in football. And he has virtually no long-term future beyond that, which is why he ends up somewhat unsatisfyingly between those two extremes. And Brees is here because he’s Drew Brees and you bring him up in discussions with Tom Brady and Peyton Manning, as per the accepted standards of football discussion.
and the link to the Part 1 of this: grantland.com/features/2014-nfl-trade-value-part-1-50-assets/
and the part that should be the most interesting to discuss
Group 12: The Graybeards
11. Tom Brady, QB, New England
10. Drew Brees, QB, New Orleans
9. Matt Ryan, QB, Atlanta
8. Peyton Manning, QB, Denver
OK, maybe it’s unfair to lump the 29-year-old Ryan in a group where everybody else is 35 or older, but compared to the quarterbacks who have come into the league since Ryan, he plays like a 35-year-old. Ryan’s the only guy on this list whom you might struggle to imagine winning a Super Bowl with the right team around him, which is silly; he was one Harry Douglas slip away from likely making the Super Bowl two years ago, and Ryan was downright miraculous at times last year given that he was playing behind the league’s second-worst offensive line and throwing to Douglas as his top wideout for most of the season.
If anything, people underestimate just how far Brady fell last year. Sure, he also didn’t have much to throw to thanks to injuries and off-field chaos, but he had a more effective running game and a far better offensive line than Ryan. He had his worst completion percentage since 2003 and his worst and fewest yards per attempt since 2006 — and after Rob Gronkowski suffered a torn ACL against the Browns, Brady simply couldn’t move the ball well at all. I’m not really sure why or how his receivers will be better this year; you’re hoping that Danny Amendola stays healthy or that Aaron Dobson takes a big leap forward. Don’t worry, though: They have all the mid-round backup quarterback prospects you could ever need to back up Brady!
Manning is impossible to rank because he doesn’t fit in this vacuum. If you want to win a title in the next two seasons, you would give up just about anything for Peyton Manning. Even if he’s not the record-setter he was in 2013, he’s probably worth something like six wins on his own until the day he retires, which is impossible to get from anybody else in football. And he has virtually no long-term future beyond that, which is why he ends up somewhat unsatisfyingly between those two extremes. And Brees is here because he’s Drew Brees and you bring him up in discussions with Tom Brady and Peyton Manning, as per the accepted standards of football discussion.
and the link to the Part 1 of this: grantland.com/features/2014-nfl-trade-value-part-1-50-assets/
