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Post by Just Another Shem on Mar 29, 2017 20:27:06 GMT -5
strikeouts have increased every year since 2008 and are at an all time high so, is it because of the pitching or the hitting? No shit. That goes part and parcel with what I've been saying all afternoon about there being fewer balls put in play than ever before. |
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Post by Mr mastodon farm on Mar 29, 2017 20:34:03 GMT -5
Batters shouldn't drive up a pitch count? You were a first pitch swinger, weren't you? Neither here nor there. Just pointing out that people who are defending the way baseball is played today or not the old school traditional purists that they are trying to make themselves out to be. This version of baseball that they are defending is not what baseball has been traditionally. Frank loves to talk about the Old School Kansas City Royals. Bret saberhagen used the through 145 pitches a night. Dan Quisenberry pitched 2-3 innings per night. George Brett went to the plate looking to get a hit. the red sox and yankees started the whole plate discipline thing back in the 90s i'd be willing to bet most players still go up there looking to get a hit its not the pitchers fault they are on pitch counts. blame the big money contracts and teams wanting to protect their assets |
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Post by Mr mastodon farm on Mar 29, 2017 20:37:45 GMT -5
you cant just change rules. you can enforce current rules, but adding stupid shit just to speed up the game a few minutes is fucking dumb The strike zone has only been this low for a few years. 3 warm up pitches on the mound. I don't know that they can really do something to the effect of making it mandatory that relievers who are brought in mid inning have to face more than one batter. You keep talking about enforcing current rules. If they enforce the pitch clock, that will be more than half the battle. i think you'd be surprised at how little impact it would make. id be willing to bet most pitchers are within the pitch clock limits. i dont think its as bad as people claim. |
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Post by Just Another Shem on Mar 29, 2017 20:38:28 GMT -5
Neither here nor there. Just pointing out that people who are defending the way baseball is played today or not the old school traditional purists that they are trying to make themselves out to be. This version of baseball that they are defending is not what baseball has been traditionally. Frank loves to talk about the Old School Kansas City Royals. Bret saberhagen used the through 145 pitches a night. Dan Quisenberry pitched 2-3 innings per night. George Brett went to the plate looking to get a hit. the red sox and yankees started the whole plate discipline thing back in the 90s i'd be willing to bet most players still go up there looking to get a hit its not the pitchers fault they are on pitch counts. blame the big money contracts and teams wanting to protect their assets And by and large I understand that you can't change that. Although I could get behind them knocking The rosters back from 25 to 24. |
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Post by Mr mastodon farm on Mar 29, 2017 20:40:41 GMT -5
strikeouts have increased every year since 2008 and are at an all time high so, is it because of the pitching or the hitting? No shit. That goes part and parcel with what I've been saying all afternoon about there being fewer balls put in play than ever before. so lets make the strike zone smaller and make the games longer, even though we want the games shorter |
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Post by Just Another Shem on Mar 29, 2017 20:41:18 GMT -5
The strike zone has only been this low for a few years. 3 warm up pitches on the mound. I don't know that they can really do something to the effect of making it mandatory that relievers who are brought in mid inning have to face more than one batter. You keep talking about enforcing current rules. If they enforce the pitch clock, that will be more than half the battle. i think you'd be surprised at how little impact it would make. id be willing to bet most pitchers are within the pitch clock limits. i dont think its as bad as people claim. I am here to tell you that they are not. I was not making it up when I said that I time pichers all the time. For every guy who gets in and throws it and 15-20 seconds there is a guy who gets it and throws it in 25 to 35 seconds. David Price and Clay Buchholz are two of the slowest workers you will ever see. |
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Post by Just Another Shem on Mar 29, 2017 20:41:52 GMT -5
No shit. That goes part and parcel with what I've been saying all afternoon about there being fewer balls put in play than ever before. so lets make the strike zone smaller and make the games longer, even though we want the games shorter Are you playing dumb or you do you really not realize how a smaller Strike Zone will give batters better pitches to hit and thus be putting more balls in play? |
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Post by Mr mastodon farm on Mar 29, 2017 20:44:37 GMT -5
so lets make the strike zone smaller and make the games longer, even though we want the games shorter Are you playing dumb or you do you really not realize how a smaller Strike Zone will give batters better pitches to hit and thus be putting more balls in play? it would also make the games longer more hits = more runs = more pitching changes = more time do you want more balls in play or do you want the games shorter? you cant have it both ways |
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Post by pr0t0cl0wn on Mar 29, 2017 20:45:51 GMT -5
so lets make the strike zone smaller and make the games longer, even though we want the games shorter Are you playing dumb or you do you really not realize how a smaller Strike Zone will give batters better pitches to hit and thus be putting more balls in play? jesus Christ, it'll just make hitters even more patient at the plate of that happened |
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Post by mrpickles on Mar 29, 2017 20:52:25 GMT -5
There are a few changes id like to see
1. Force umps to call the strike zone
2. Shorten commercial breaks
3. Limit pitching changes before 7th inning and per inning. This is the only "game changing" rule I support.
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Post by Scalious on Mar 29, 2017 21:00:27 GMT -5
Lowest percentage of balls put in play, in history. "Action sucks" Strike outs and HRs being up... Hard hit rate is up also.. Most of those are the desired outcome for entertainment purposes.. |
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Post by Scalious on Mar 29, 2017 21:09:01 GMT -5
So he wants to see more singles.. Higher OBP...which will yes lead to more runs...but more pitching changes and longer games.
The Juiced ball fix was just good enough to help the current run repressing environment. The Big hits are what you want....
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Post by Just Another Shem on Mar 29, 2017 21:50:29 GMT -5
Lowest percentage of balls put in play, in history. "Action sucks" Strike outs and HRs being up... Hard hit rate is up also.. Most of those are the desired outcome for entertainment purposes.. Lowest action rate in history is not the desired outcome. |
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Post by Just Another Shem on Mar 29, 2017 21:53:06 GMT -5
So he wants to see more singles.. Higher OBP...which will yes lead to more runs...but more pitching changes and longer games. The Juiced ball fix was just good enough to help the current run repressing environment. The Big hits are what you want.... I think he wants to see more at bats produce a ball in play. |
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Post by Just Another Shem on Mar 29, 2017 21:54:31 GMT -5
Are you playing dumb or you do you really not realize how a smaller Strike Zone will give batters better pitches to hit and thus be putting more balls in play? it would also make the games longer more hits = more runs = more pitching changes = more time do you want more balls in play or do you want the games shorter? you cant have it both ways Because every time contact is made, it results in a base hit. |
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Post by The Bag on Apr 3, 2017 13:29:28 GMT -5
it would also make the games longer more hits = more runs = more pitching changes = more time do you want more balls in play or do you want the games shorter? you cant have it both ways Because every time contact is made, it results in a base hit. Interesting. So noone makes contact when another hitter is thrown? |
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2017 23:10:08 GMT -5
Stats just released showing the last year in Major League Baseball was the singular highest percentage of plate appearances that resulted in a ball not being put in play in the history of the game. 30.2% Highest number in league history. Again the good news is that the commissioner of knowledge is it and is using that as a means to facilitate changes in the strike zone so that there was more action in a baseball game. I love this guy. That's called evolution, Snarkins. The sports is always changing. Evolution is not unique to baseball. Basketball saw a rapid evolution after the NBA and ABA merged. Hockey saw a upswing in scoring right about the time Gretzsky entered the league. The NFL has evolved into a passing first offense. America is obsessed with power. Power is a highly marketable commodity. More baseball players swing for the fence now than ever before. When you take that strategy to the plate, your strikeout total is going to go up as well as your homerun total.
Just because the game changes doesn't mean it gets worse. At least, not for most of us. But you hate it. That's fine. Enjoy your hatred. You seem to thrive on it.
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Post by Otis B. Driftwood on May 22, 2017 12:37:41 GMT -5
The only time I have a serious problem with a baseball game being "too long" is during the playoffs when they ram an extra commercial or two down your throat. Any rule change that tampers with the fabric of the game is not one I would support.
That said - stepping out of the box to readjust batting gloves again is pretty damned silly. And I was a huge Mike Hargrove fan.
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Post by villellamcmeans on Jul 20, 2021 18:29:42 GMT -5
The only time I have a serious problem with a baseball game being "too long" is during the playoffs when they ram an extra commercial or two down your throat. Any rule change that tampers with the fabric of the game is not one I would support. That said - stepping out of the box to readjust batting gloves again is pretty damned silly. And I was a huge Mike Hargrove fan. I don't mind long games at all, and I don't like this putting runner on base to speed thing up in overtime - I rather no changing of the rule simply to end games faster, I don't think that's a good reason to change anything in the rules. I don't even like the 7 inning rule for double headers, and the ref calling games over instead of postponed for rain in late innings. Should always be 9 innings minimum. All these changes are just too cater to the media outlets that want things on a tight schedule with no unexpected overtime like all their reality shows etc. |
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Post by villellamcmeans on Jul 20, 2021 18:33:39 GMT -5
Stats just released showing the last year in Major League Baseball was the singular highest percentage of plate appearances that resulted in a ball not being put in play in the history of the game. 30.2% Highest number in league history. Again the good news is that the commissioner of knowledge is it and is using that as a means to facilitate changes in the strike zone so that there was more action in a baseball game. I love this guy. That's called evolution, Snarkins. The sports is always changing. Evolution is not unique to baseball. Basketball saw a rapid evolution after the NBA and ABA merged. Hockey saw a upswing in scoring right about the time Gretzsky entered the league. The NFL has evolved into a passing first offense. America is obsessed with power. Power is a highly marketable commodity. More baseball players swing for the fence now than ever before. When you take that strategy to the plate, your strikeout total is going to go up as well as your homerun total.
Just because the game changes doesn't mean it gets worse. At least, not for most of us. But you hate it. That's fine. Enjoy your hatred. You seem to thrive on it.
I think those changes in other sports were to make the game better by making it more even playing field - the changes to shorten the game time has nothing to do with the game, instead it has only to do with catering to media outlets who lose money when long games interfere with their other planned programming. So I wouldn't call it evolution of the game in this case. |
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