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Post by Otis B. Driftwood on Apr 6, 2017 7:10:34 GMT -5
Anyone that watched any of these QBs actually play in college knows that this class is probably only a hair better than the QB class from the EJ Manuel-Geno Smith year. Not a single NFL starter among them. If you need a QB this year and take one, you'll still need a QB Ahhhh... the 2013 Draft. Where the Cowboys took a center with the 31st pick in the first round and were roundly ridiculed for reaching. I remember it well. |
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Post by EWA Beach PGH Fan on Apr 6, 2017 9:02:21 GMT -5
Anyone that watched any of these QBs actually play in college knows that this class is probably only a hair better than the QB class from the EJ Manuel-Geno Smith year. Not a single NFL starter among them. If you need a QB this year and take one, you'll still need a QB Ahhhh... the 2013 Draft. Where the Cowboys took a center with the 31st pick in the first round and were roundly ridiculed for reaching. I remember it well. I take it that ridicule was proven wrong. |
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Post by Otis B. Driftwood on Apr 6, 2017 9:31:20 GMT -5
Ahhhh... the 2013 Draft. Where the Cowboys took a center with the 31st pick in the first round and were roundly ridiculed for reaching. I remember it well. I take it that ridicule was proven wrong. Yeah. Travis Frederick is pretty good. |
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Post by Swamp Dragon on Apr 6, 2017 13:28:49 GMT -5
True but Hooker has played what 50 games of football in his life. I believe his tackling skills will get better with the better coaching he'll receive as I've seen he's not scared of the contact and will get in their but his technique is rudimentary at best On Hooker He has the best ball skills of any safety I've ever evaluated in college- Daniel Jeremiah
On Adams
outstanding range against the run, he makes a lot of plays from the
opposite hash. He is a dynamic athlete, and I've been told his
intangibles are off the charts-Daniel Jeremiah
I love the pro comps for them Hooker=Reed, Adams=Polamalu
Is there a wrong choice ??
I will take Option B. Hooker MAY learn to be a good tackler....#3 pick.....you better be sure...still give me adams. Word is the Bears like both LSU’s Jamal Adams and Ohio State’s Malik Hooker, who are widely considered two of the best safety prospects to come out of the college ranks in years. The problem? It’s the idea of drafting a safety that high, and whether the impact will meet the price of the third pick in the draft. That would naturally make the Bears another candidate to at least explore trading down. |
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Post by pr0t0cl0wn on Apr 6, 2017 17:44:07 GMT -5
Anyone that watched any of these QBs actually play in college knows that this class is probably only a hair better than the QB class from the EJ Manuel-Geno Smith year. Not a single NFL starter among them. If you need a QB this year and take one, you'll still need a QB Ahhhh... the 2013 Draft. Where the Cowboys took a center with the 31st pick in the first round and were roundly ridiculed for reaching. I remember it well. The defensive talent in this draft is so absurdly deep at all 3 levels, that anyone wasting a pick on one of these shitty ass QBs when you can get a defensive starter in the 4th or 5th round, should burn their front office to the ground before the ginger hammer reads that pick on stage |
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Post by Swamp Dragon on Apr 6, 2017 19:29:39 GMT -5
yeah...Trubisky wont make it that far down....too many teams have a need. so even if he doesn't go high in the 1st round, the teams that passed on him might jump back up to the 1st round to grab him in the late teens or early 20s. Trubisky should be a 6th round pick as a project, as should every QB in this class. Maybe I could see someone reaching and taking one mid 5th round. Anything higher than that is a fucking atrocious pick Get a grip although he is not a ready starter it is about career not 1st season and then it's slotted by importance of position which is why QB are invariably higher than potential starters at other positions As the league evolves positions take on more (safeties CB,WR) or less (RB OG, ILB) importance. Than you have scheme fits, positions of need (especially in the mid rounds) There are 4-5 teams with obvious needs and 3-4 (Saints Cards Giants off the top of my head) with succession plans at QB that need to be addressed that in it's self make the QB's importance on draft boards skew upwards. As I pointed out in another post Ryan and Flacco's immediate success made expecting QB's to start off the bat at the same time the college game was evolving away from the way the pro game is played. Now it is going to go back more to the rookie redshirting while learning the fundamentals that are now not taught at the college or high school level, this is not just a problem with QB's but all offernsive positions Receivers that don't know how to run the route tree, lineman who don't put their hand in the dirt, QB's who don't know how to take snaps under center therefore having bad footwork and mechanics. The CBA which limits reps in training camp, all contribute to the fact offensive players take longer to evolve into starters as opposed to defenders |
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Post by Swamp Dragon on Apr 6, 2017 21:25:34 GMT -5
True but Hooker has played what 50 games of football in his life. I believe his tackling skills will get better with the better coaching he'll receive as I've seen he's not scared of the contact and will get in their but his technique is rudimentary at best On Hooker He has the best ball skills of any safety I've ever evaluated in college- Daniel Jeremiah
On Adams
outstanding range against the run, he makes a lot of plays from the
opposite hash. He is a dynamic athlete, and I've been told his
intangibles are off the charts-Daniel Jeremiah
I love the pro comps for them Hooker=Reed, Adams=Polamalu
Is there a wrong choice ??
I will take Option B. Hooker MAY learn to be a good tackler....#3 pick.....you better be sure...still give me adams. The scoop: "I don't think Jamal Adams is going to go as early as I see people mocking him. He's a good player but I don't think he's a game changer. If you are going to be a safety who goes inside the top five, you better make a ton of plays. Look where Landon Collins went. Adams isn't better than Collins." -- NFC executive The skinny: Collins was the first selection of the second round (pick 33) and has been outstanding with the Giants over the last two years. My gut reaction is to assume that Adams will, in fact, go inside the first five or six picks. In fact, I think the success of Collins will drive up Adams' stock. However, there are certain philosophies in the draft that are fairly static, and if a team doesn't see great value in Adams as a deep safety and expects him to mostly play in the box, then there is a chance he could slide just a little bit. |
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Post by pr0t0cl0wn on Apr 6, 2017 22:32:37 GMT -5
Trubisky should be a 6th round pick as a project, as should every QB in this class. Maybe I could see someone reaching and taking one mid 5th round. Anything higher than that is a fucking atrocious pick Get a grip although he is not a ready starter it is about career not 1st season and then it's slotted by importance of position which is why QB are invariably higher than potential starters at other positions As the league evolves positions take on more (safeties CB,WR) or less (RB OG, ILB) importance. Than you have scheme fits, positions of need (especially in the mid rounds) There are 4-5 teams with obvious needs and 3-4 (Saints Cards Giants off the top of my head) with succession plans at QB that need to be addressed that in it's self make the QB's importance on draft boards skew upwards. As I pointed out in another post Ryan and Flacco's immediate success made expecting QB's to start off the bat at the same time the college game was evolving away from the way the pro game is played. Now it is going to go back more to the rookie redshirting while learning the fundamentals that are now not taught at the college or high school level, this is not just a problem with QB's but all offernsive positions Receivers that don't know how to run the route tree, lineman who don't put their hand in the dirt, QB's who don't know how to take snaps under center therefore having bad footwork and mechanics. The CBA which limits reps in training camp, all contribute to the fact offensive players take longer to evolve into starters as opposed to defenders QBs always go way higher when they should when there is a horrific QB class like this one. There are no good QBs in this class but bad teams will take them too high and continue to be bad and then have to take another QB in 2-3 years |
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Post by Swamp Dragon on Apr 6, 2017 22:42:47 GMT -5
Get a grip although he is not a ready starter it is about career not 1st season and then it's slotted by importance of position which is why QB are invariably higher than potential starters at other positions As the league evolves positions take on more (safeties CB,WR) or less (RB OG, ILB) importance. Than you have scheme fits, positions of need (especially in the mid rounds) There are 4-5 teams with obvious needs and 3-4 (Saints Cards Giants off the top of my head) with succession plans at QB that need to be addressed that in it's self make the QB's importance on draft boards skew upwards. As I pointed out in another post Ryan and Flacco's immediate success made expecting QB's to start off the bat at the same time the college game was evolving away from the way the pro game is played. Now it is going to go back more to the rookie redshirting while learning the fundamentals that are now not taught at the college or high school level, this is not just a problem with QB's but all offernsive positions Receivers that don't know how to run the route tree, lineman who don't put their hand in the dirt, QB's who don't know how to take snaps under center therefore having bad footwork and mechanics. The CBA which limits reps in training camp, all contribute to the fact offensive players take longer to evolve into starters as opposed to defenders QBs always go way higher when they should when there is a horrific QB class like this one. There are no good QBs in this class but bad teams will take them too high and continue to be bad and then have to take another QB in 2-3 years I'm not on the Watson bandwagon throws too many int's in the pros it'll be far worse. The thing I always hear is he's a winner he comes up big in the big games. Last QB I heard that about was Tebow and we all know how that went. Trubisky Mahoomes and to an extent Kiser interest me more but odds say 1 possible 2 of them are duds. But you have to keep trying till you get one you aren't going to find any on the street |
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Post by lemiwinks on Apr 7, 2017 11:23:35 GMT -5
yeah...Trubisky wont make it that far down....too many teams have a need. so even if he doesn't go high in the 1st round, the teams that passed on him might jump back up to the 1st round to grab him in the late teens or early 20s. I'm betting the Jets Niners and especially the Browns will be cursing Romo as they have made the middle of the draft even more unpredictable, forcing those teams to give up more picks to get high enough up to get the QB of their choice. Now one or all those teams might be looking at the start of next years great QB draft and passing OR by getting a redshirtting QB this year the extra picks they will get next season by trading down as they've already got their potential future of the franchise and keep in mind that none of those QBs are first round talent.
By the way.... found out that the Bears sent Fangio down to meet and workout Allen privately. And also they had him up at Halas Hall as well.
If it was leaked by the bears....its just smokescreen and they wont be taking him.....if it was somehow discovered even though the bears were trying to keep it a secret, its a good possibility.
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Post by lemiwinks on Apr 7, 2017 11:27:41 GMT -5
QBs always go way higher when they should when there is a horrific QB class like this one. There are no good QBs in this class but bad teams will take them too high and continue to be bad and then have to take another QB in 2-3 years I'm not on the Watson bandwagon throws too many int's in the pros it'll be far worse. The thing I always hear is he's a winner he comes up big in the big games. Last QB I heard that about was Tebow and we all know how that went. Trubisky Mahoomes and to an extent Kiser interest me more but odds say 1 possible 2 of them are duds. But you have to keep trying till you get one you aren't going to find any on the street Lots of pressure here from media and fans to darft a developmental QB to replace Glennon..........Hey idiots.....IF any of them develop.....THEY ARE GOING TO BE A MIKE GLENNON. |
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Post by lemiwinks on Apr 7, 2017 11:31:27 GMT -5
I will take Option B. Hooker MAY learn to be a good tackler....#3 pick.....you better be sure...still give me adams. The scoop: "I don't think Jamal Adams is going to go as early as I see people mocking him. He's a good player but I don't think he's a game changer. If you are going to be a safety who goes inside the top five, you better make a ton of plays. Look where Landon Collins went. Adams isn't better than Collins." -- NFC executive The skinny: Collins was the first selection of the second round (pick 33) and has been outstanding with the Giants over the last two years. My gut reaction is to assume that Adams will, in fact, go inside the first five or six picks. In fact, I think the success of Collins will drive up Adams' stock. However, there are certain philosophies in the draft that are fairly static, and if a team doesn't see great value in Adams as a deep safety and expects him to mostly play in the box, then there is a chance he could slide just a little bit. "NFL executive".......who is proably picking at around #5-#10 PRAYING that Adams falls to them.
You will be much better off believing the exact opposite of anything you hear from the teams.......but the media stooges lap up the 'leaks' like they are getting a scoop.
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Post by lemiwinks on Apr 7, 2017 11:33:58 GMT -5
And Proto is right about bad teams staying bad........this draft is 3 rounds deep of starters. You going to throw away an impact defensive player to draft Geno Smith?
watch how many teams do it.........praying that the bears aren't one of those bad teams that will stay bad
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Post by pr0t0cl0wn on Apr 7, 2017 15:33:05 GMT -5
QBs always go way higher when they should when there is a horrific QB class like this one. There are no good QBs in this class but bad teams will take them too high and continue to be bad and then have to take another QB in 2-3 years I'm not on the Watson bandwagon throws too many int's in the pros it'll be far worse. The thing I always hear is he's a winner he comes up big in the big games. Last QB I heard that about was Tebow and we all know how that went. Trubisky Mahoomes and to an extent Kiser interest me more but odds say 1 possible 2 of them are duds. But you have to keep trying till you get one you aren't going to find any on the street Trubitsky is a checkdown machine that can run a little. He's not good Kizer has the mettle of a bowl of pudding. He makes the guy who cried about Incognito's "bullying" look mentally tough. Pat Mahones...Big 12 QB, nope. NOPE! |
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Post by pr0t0cl0wn on Apr 7, 2017 15:35:44 GMT -5
And Proto is right about bad teams staying bad........this draft is 3 rounds deep of starters. You going to throw away an impact defensive player to draft Geno Smith? watch how many teams do it.........praying that the bears aren't one of those bad teams that will stay bad You can come out of the first 3 rounds with 3 legit defensive starters. Or you could take a shitty QB who will never be good and then have to used a high pick on a QB again in 2-3 years where you'll be reaching instead of taking good players at other positions |
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Post by Otis B. Driftwood on Apr 7, 2017 16:11:42 GMT -5
And Proto is right about bad teams staying bad........this draft is 3 rounds deep of starters. You going to throw away an impact defensive player to draft Geno Smith? watch how many teams do it.........praying that the bears aren't one of those bad teams that will stay bad Too many times too many GM's go grab a QB in the 1st round because they need a QB and roll the dice. That's how too many GM's lose their jobs... along with the head coach saddled with said QB. It's been a pet peeve of mine for years. All it does is set a rebuild back 3-5 years. Need look no further than the 2011 draft and the QB's taken in the first round after Cam. Just take the best damn player on your board - especially in the first couple of rounds. |
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Post by pr0t0cl0wn on Apr 7, 2017 16:52:03 GMT -5
And Proto is right about bad teams staying bad........this draft is 3 rounds deep of starters. You going to throw away an impact defensive player to draft Geno Smith? watch how many teams do it.........praying that the bears aren't one of those bad teams that will stay bad Too many times too many GM's go grab a QB in the 1st round because they need a QB and roll the dice. That's how too many GM's lose their jobs... along with the head coach saddled with said QB. It's been a pet peeve of mine for years. All it does is set a rebuild back 3-5 years. Need look no further than the 2011 draft and the QB's taken in the first round after Cam. Just take the best damn player on your board - especially in the first couple of rounds. It's like playing cricket in darts but you refuse to take any points until you close out bullseye first, and you're not a very good darts player. That's what too many shitty GMs do, and then they do it again, and again. If the Browns are smart they'll say "Screw this QB" class and load the fuck up everywhere else with their 8 billions picks |
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Post by Swamp Dragon on Apr 7, 2017 17:33:24 GMT -5
Too many times too many GM's go grab a QB in the 1st round because they need a QB and roll the dice. That's how too many GM's lose their jobs... along with the head coach saddled with said QB. It's been a pet peeve of mine for years. All it does is set a rebuild back 3-5 years. Need look no further than the 2011 draft and the QB's taken in the first round after Cam. Just take the best damn player on your board - especially in the first couple of rounds. It's like playing cricket in darts but you refuse to take any points until you close out bullseye first, and you're not a very good darts player. That's what too many shitty GMs do, and then they do it again, and again. If the Browns are smart they'll say "Screw this QB" class and load the fuck up everywhere else with their 8 billions picks I agree unless you love one of these guys and I don't in Cleveland and the Niners spots I's rather wait till next season when there might be as many as 4 ready to play QB's. These teams have far too many holes and as everyone of these is a project who needs a redshirt season or two I would rather be atking them in rounds 2-3. With all the holes on these teams and my expectation they will be drafting early again I'd avoid them all together |
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Post by pr0t0cl0wn on Apr 7, 2017 17:39:00 GMT -5
The thing is, if you have a GM or scout that loves any of THESE QB's. Then you need to fire them immediately because they haven't actually watched any of them play football and they're just using their ESPN Insider subscription to read Kiper and McShay's garbage...but then again, there is a reason these teams are always picking in the top 10! If any of these QBs were in next year's class, they'd literally be 4th-5th round picks. They're all not good, but because they are magical QB's, bad teams will take them too high and let the actual good players fall to the teams that are already good.
As far as mock drafts go though, i agree they should be in them because they will go. And a mock draft is more like predicting stock prices, not predicting how good the players will be.
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Post by tigertowner 68 on Apr 7, 2017 18:02:54 GMT -5
The thing is, if you have a GM or scout that loves any of THESE QB's. Then you need to fire them immediately because they haven't actually watched any of them play football and they're just using their ESPN Insider subscription to read Kiper and McShay's garbage...but then again, there is a reason these teams are always picking in the top 10! If any of these QBs were in next year's class, they'd literally be 4th-5th round picks. They're all not good, but because they are magical QB's, bad teams will take them too high and let the actual good players fall to the teams that are already good. As far as mock drafts go though, i agree they should be in them because they will go. And a mock draft is more like predicting stock prices, not predicting how good the players will be. That is a great post! Geno Smith for All-Pro. Not. |
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Post by Swamp Dragon on Apr 7, 2017 18:43:21 GMT -5
And Proto is right about bad teams staying bad........this draft is 3 rounds deep of starters. You going to throw away an impact defensive player to draft Geno Smith? watch how many teams do it.........praying that the bears aren't one of those bad teams that will stay bad In another situation Geno might have been a starter of above replacement value. Hard to know when the buffoon was his coach. With a Gase McVay or McCoy as his coach we may have seen a different Geno |
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Post by Otis B. Driftwood on Apr 7, 2017 22:59:47 GMT -5
Too many times too many GM's go grab a QB in the 1st round because they need a QB and roll the dice. That's how too many GM's lose their jobs... along with the head coach saddled with said QB. It's been a pet peeve of mine for years. All it does is set a rebuild back 3-5 years. Need look no further than the 2011 draft and the QB's taken in the first round after Cam. Just take the best damn player on your board - especially in the first couple of rounds. It's like playing cricket in darts but you refuse to take any points until you close out bullseye first, and you're not a very good darts player. That's what too many shitty GMs do, and then they do it again, and again. If the Browns are smart they'll say "Screw this QB" class and load the fuck up everywhere else with their 8 billions picks You don't know how many times I've played cricket against someone like that... I just laugh at them and pound 20's until they stop that shit. |
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Post by pr0t0cl0wn on Apr 8, 2017 7:03:17 GMT -5
It's like playing cricket in darts but you refuse to take any points until you close out bullseye first, and you're not a very good darts player. That's what too many shitty GMs do, and then they do it again, and again. If the Browns are smart they'll say "Screw this QB" class and load the fuck up everywhere else with their 8 billions picks You don't know how many times I've played cricket against someone like that... I just laugh at them and pound 20's until they stop that shit. And that's why a team picking in 20's is always picking in the 20's! And the stupid team are always trying to get that bullseye! |
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Post by Otis B. Driftwood on Apr 8, 2017 10:09:19 GMT -5
You don't know how many times I've played cricket against someone like that... I just laugh at them and pound 20's until they stop that shit. And that's why a team picking in 20's is always picking in the 20's! And the stupid team are always trying to get that bullseye! Anyone capable of using basic darts references to make legitimate NFL Draft points I agree with is all right by me. |
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Post by pr0t0cl0wn on Apr 8, 2017 13:10:28 GMT -5
And that's why a team picking in 20's is always picking in the 20's! And the stupid team are always trying to get that bullseye! Anyone capable of using basic darts references to make legitimate NFL Draft points I agree with is all right by me. I'm a Lions fan, so I'm hoping this new GM Quinn just closes out and wears out that 20(and 19 if he has to move on). It's so nice not having Millen and Mayhew ruin draft weekend for me anymore |
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Post by Swamp Dragon on Apr 8, 2017 13:37:51 GMT -5
Anyone capable of using basic darts references to make legitimate NFL Draft points I agree with is all right by me. I'm a Lions fan, so I'm hoping this new GM Quinn just closes out and wears out that 20(and 19 if he has to move on). It's so nice not having Millen and Mayhew ruin draft weekend for me anymore As a closet Lions fan I support this post |
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Post by pr0t0cl0wn on Apr 8, 2017 18:36:01 GMT -5
I'm a Lions fan, so I'm hoping this new GM Quinn just closes out and wears out that 20(and 19 if he has to move on). It's so nice not having Millen and Mayhew ruin draft weekend for me anymore As a closet Lions fan I support this post And I'll do a happy dance on the day that piece of trash ebron is gone. I scared some people at the bar I was at when the Lions picked him. I screamed fuck a few times out loud |
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Post by Swamp Dragon on Apr 10, 2017 2:05:10 GMT -5
As a closet Lions fan I support this post And I'll do a happy dance on the day that piece of trash ebron is gone. I scared some people at the bar I was at when the Lions picked him. I screamed fuck a few times out loud I never understood that pick with all the great prospects at positions of need they take a fucking Tight End passing on some great prospects that was a top heavy draft that year 20 sure fire players strong and they hit .000, well it could have been worse the Browns blew both their 1st that year. I thought he might breakout this season with Megatron gone her has just been an inconsistent cog in the offense 4 of the next 6 picks are stars and Lewan is a pretty good LT a position of constant need in Motown. |
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Post by pr0t0cl0wn on Apr 10, 2017 13:36:14 GMT -5
Anyone that actually watched Ebron at UNC(like myself) knew that he was a drop machine that can't run routes or block. He's functionally useless
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