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Post by Swamp Dragon on Feb 28, 2017 15:51:52 GMT -5
2017 Offseason depth chart
Executive Vice President of Football Operations – Tom Coughlin
General Manager – David Caldwell
Head Coach – Doug Marrone
Offensive Coordinator – Nathaniel Hackett
Defensive Coordinator – Todd Wash
Special Teams Coordinator – Joe DeCamillis
OFFENSE
LWR Robinson, Allen 14/2 Greene, Rashad 15/5 Benn, Arrelious SF15 Wynn, Shane SF16
Robinson, Jamal CF16R
WR Hurns, Allen CF14 Lee, Marqise 14/2 Walters, Bryan U/Sea Washington, Tony SF14
LT Beachum, Kelvin U/Pit Kelly, Colin SF17 Uzdavinis, Arturo SF16
LG Joeckel, Luke 13/1 Shatley, Tyler CF14 Kasitati, Nila SF16
C Linder, Brandon 14/3 Bowanko, Luke 14/6 Van Roten, Greg SF17
RG Cann, AJ 15/3 Poutasi, Jeremiah SF16 Reed, Chris CF15
RT Parnell, Jermey U/Dal Omameh, Patrick SF16 Wells, Josh CF14
TE Lewis, Marcedes 06/1 Sterling, Neal 15/7 Bibbs, EJ SF16 Sinclair, Gannon SF16
TE Thomas, Julius U/Den Koyack, Ben 15/7 Ellis, Alex CF16
QB Bortles, Blake 14/1 Henne, Chad U/Mia Allen, Brandon 16/6
RB Yeldon, TJ 15/2 Ivory, Chris U/NYJ Robinson, Denard 13/5 Grant, Corey CF15
Hill, Bronson SF16 Richardson, Daryl W/Pit Banyard, Joe CF12
DEFENSE
LDE Fowler Jr., Dante 15/1 Ngakoue, Yannick 16/ Smith, Chris 14/5
DT Jackson, Malik U/Den Marks, Sen'Derrick U/Ten Bennett, Mike 15/6 Nix III, Louis SF16
DT Miller, Roy U/TB Day, Sheldon 16/4 Jones, Abry CF13 Hill, Jordan W/Was
RDE Alualu, Tyson 10/1 Marks, Sen'DerrickU/Ten Woodard, Jonathan 16/7
OLB Smith, Telvin 14/5 Jack, Myles 16/2 Rush, Marcus P/SF
MLB Posluszny, Paul U/Buf Pullard, Hayes P/Cle Kirby, Raphael SF16
OLB Skuta, Dan U/SF Porter, Sean SF15
LCB House, Davon U/GB Amukamara, Prince U/NYG Grant, Doran SF16
SS Cyprien, Jonathan 13/2 Sample, James 15/4 Wilson, Jarrod CF16 Shumate, Elijah SF17
FS Gipson, Tashaun U/Cle Thompson, Peyton SF14 Davis, Akeem SF16
RCB Ramsey, Jalen 16/1 Johnson, Josh SF16 Colvin, Aaron 14/4
SPECIAL TEAMS
P Nortman, Brad U/Car
PK Myers, Jason SF15
LS Tinker, Carson CF13
PR Walters, Bryan U/Sea Lee, Marqise 14/2
KR Grant, Corey CF15 Robinson, Denard 13/5 Walters, Bryan U/Sea
UFA's
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Post by Swamp Dragon on Aug 17, 2017 23:21:41 GMT -5
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Post by pr0t0cl0wn on Aug 18, 2017 7:46:54 GMT -5
It's funny, I traded RGIII for Bortles, straight up, in a dynasty league I'm in after Bortles' rookie year. I still actually "won" a trade where all I got was Blake Bortles
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Post by Otis B. Driftwood on Aug 18, 2017 8:00:08 GMT -5
It's funny, I traded RGIII for Bortles, straight up, in a dynasty league I'm in after Bortles' rookie year. I still actually "won" a trade where all I got was Blake Bortles It's pretty damn bad when it becomes obvious that Kaepernick is a dramatic improvement over Bortles. |
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Post by Swamp Dragon on Aug 18, 2017 20:36:02 GMT -5
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Post by Swamp Dragon on Aug 18, 2017 21:26:02 GMT -5
It's funny, I traded RGIII for Bortles, straight up, in a dynasty league I'm in after Bortles' rookie year. I still actually "won" a trade where all I got was Blake Bortles Bortles is still a scorer in fantasy although he gets most of his points in garbage time. He is the poster boy for rushing a rookie too soon. He was a great PROJECT coming out a season too early in my opinion and like most college QB's these days they aren't taught the basic fundamentals needed to succeed at the pro level. Back in the day they had the fundamentals but no grasp of schemes or strategy beyond the rudimentary ones they picked up through having gone through them in game situations. Where nowadays the opposite is the case. Flacco and Ryan's success as rookies, with superior rosters I might add, then all of a sudden upper management has unrealistic expectations for rookie QB's. Problem is most rosters of teams in need of QB's are drafting early for a reason they suck. Therefore these QB's are shellshocked and end up with Joey Harrington syndrome also known as David Carr happy feet and they regress instead of progress, the fan base and management gets impatient and next they become clipboard holders a wasted pick mainly cause they weren't put in position to succeed |
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Post by Swamp Dragon on Aug 19, 2017 17:41:08 GMT -5
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Post by Swamp Dragon on Aug 19, 2017 17:51:51 GMT -5
It's funny, I traded RGIII for Bortles, straight up, in a dynasty league I'm in after Bortles' rookie year. I still actually "won" a trade where all I got was Blake Bortles It's pretty damn bad when it becomes obvious that Kaepernick is a dramatic improvement over Bortles. I don't believe Kaep is an upgrade over Bortles and the previous article is a major part of the problem. They haven't been able to move the ball on the ground since Maurice Jones-Drew was in his prime. Not trying to exonerate Blake but his problem is bad mechanics he reverts to when being rushed, hence bad throws. He can read the field far better than Kaep and everyone forgets Kaep had a pretty good line in front of him affording him protection Bortles has never known in Jax. And Kaep still is a terrible reader of defenses and he doesn't throw receivers open he has to see them open first, same problem holding Tyrod Taylor back. Mechanics can be taught, slow processing tho is hard to speed up, but when it does you get a Rich Gannon kinda late career. If I went through some old notes I have taken I could probably find an example of a more recent model |
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Post by Otis B. Driftwood on Aug 20, 2017 12:10:43 GMT -5
It's pretty damn bad when it becomes obvious that Kaepernick is a dramatic improvement over Bortles. I don't believe Kaep is an upgrade over Bortles and the previous article is a major part of the problem. They haven't been able to move the ball on the ground since Maurice Jones-Drew was in his prime. Not trying to exonerate Blake but his problem is bad mechanics he reverts to when being rushed, hence bad throws. He can read the field far better than Kaep and everyone forgets Kaep had a pretty good line in front of him affording him protection Bortles has never known in Jax. And Kaep still is a terrible reader of defenses and he doesn't throw receivers open he has to see them open first, same problem holding Tyrod Taylor back. Mechanics can be taught, slow processing tho is hard to speed up, but when it does you get a Rich Gannon kinda late career. If I went through some old notes I have taken I could probably find an example of a more recent model A lot of that "bad QB play/bad O-Line play" goes hand-in-hand. But looking at the overall body of work, I just don't see the level of QB skill I need to see. Kind of goes back to those Romo days where he would pull plays out of his ass while the offensive line (people forget how old that line was back in the 2010 era - I don't) were five turnstiles in front of him. Need the QB to make a play or two. I just don't see that in Bortles. |
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Post by Swamp Dragon on Aug 21, 2017 15:46:05 GMT -5
I don't believe Kaep is an upgrade over Bortles and the previous article is a major part of the problem. They haven't been able to move the ball on the ground since Maurice Jones-Drew was in his prime. Not trying to exonerate Blake but his problem is bad mechanics he reverts to when being rushed, hence bad throws. He can read the field far better than Kaep and everyone forgets Kaep had a pretty good line in front of him affording him protection Bortles has never known in Jax. And Kaep still is a terrible reader of defenses and he doesn't throw receivers open he has to see them open first, same problem holding Tyrod Taylor back. Mechanics can be taught, slow processing tho is hard to speed up, but when it does you get a Rich Gannon kinda late career. If I went through some old notes I have taken I could probably find an example of a more recent model A lot of that "bad QB play/bad O-Line play" goes hand-in-hand. But looking at the overall body of work, I just don't see the level of QB skill I need to see. Kind of goes back to those Romo days where he would pull plays out of his ass while the offensive line (people forget how old that line was back in the 2010 era - I don't) were five turnstiles in front of him. Need the QB to make a play or two. I just don't see that in Bortles. Agree on that really thought as he started to get it late 2015 that he would step up in 2016 but he regressed and now he looks like he's playing scared. He needs his confidence boosted. The best way IMO is to start with working to his strengths and getting him early completions high % p[lays. He reminds me of early Stafford when he's on he looks like an all-pro when he's not he looks like a Chris Weinke Jimmy Clausen type. Hard to judge him but he's way better than Kaep |
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Post by pr0t0cl0wn on Aug 21, 2017 15:50:57 GMT -5
I saw one play where he severely underthrew ARob. He had tons of time, no real pass rush making him hurry. And he throws the he's vall flat footed off of his back foot. Didn't step into the throw, shit like that should be easy to fix/teach
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Post by Otis B. Driftwood on Aug 22, 2017 8:19:45 GMT -5
I saw one play where he severely underthrew ARob. He had tons of time, no real pass rush making him hurry. And he throws the he's vall flat footed off of his back foot. Didn't step into the throw, shit like that should be easy to fix/teach After 4 years, he should already know this. Simple, repetitive QB mechanics. |
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Post by pr0t0cl0wn on Aug 22, 2017 8:30:17 GMT -5
I saw one play where he severely underthrew ARob. He had tons of time, no real pass rush making him hurry. And he throws the he's vall flat footed off of his back foot. Didn't step into the throw, shit like that should be easy to fix/teach After 4 years, he should already know this. Simple, repetitive QB mechanics. if you're throwing a quick dumpoff pass or a little short crossing pattern to a guy with some space, you can throw flat footed and be fine. If you're throwing down field to a guy that got behind the coverage, step into that shit motherfucker! That highlight was infuriating to watch because the issue is so obvious. Either the coaching staff is so bad they can't see it or he's just too dumb to be fixed |
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Post by Otis B. Driftwood on Aug 22, 2017 8:39:30 GMT -5
After 4 years, he should already know this. Simple, repetitive QB mechanics. if you're throwing a quick dumpoff pass or a little short crossing pattern to a guy with some space, you can throw flat footed and be fine. If you're throwing down field to a guy that got behind the coverage, step into that shit motherfucker! That highlight was infuriating to watch because the issue is so obvious. Either the coaching staff is so bad they can't see it or he's just too dumb to be fixed Mechanics are fundamental. And I don't care how many QB coaches or how many OC's or HC's he's had... He is the poster child for letting a QB sit on the bench and learn the game before throwing him to the wolves. |
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Post by pr0t0cl0wn on Aug 22, 2017 9:05:09 GMT -5
if you're throwing a quick dumpoff pass or a little short crossing pattern to a guy with some space, you can throw flat footed and be fine. If you're throwing down field to a guy that got behind the coverage, step into that shit motherfucker! That highlight was infuriating to watch because the issue is so obvious. Either the coaching staff is so bad they can't see it or he's just too dumb to be fixed Mechanics are fundamental. And I don't care how many QB coaches or how many OC's or HC's he's had... He is the poster child for letting a QB sit on the bench and learn the game before throwing him to the wolves. how does someone that has been playing QB for as many years as him not know how to step into a throw? |
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Post by Otis B. Driftwood on Aug 22, 2017 9:35:34 GMT -5
Mechanics are fundamental. And I don't care how many QB coaches or how many OC's or HC's he's had... He is the poster child for letting a QB sit on the bench and learn the game before throwing him to the wolves. how does someone that has been playing QB for as many years as him not know how to step into a throw? Fear of getting clobbered? Again? |
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Post by pr0t0cl0wn on Aug 22, 2017 22:45:50 GMT -5
how does someone that has been playing QB for as many years as him not know how to step into a throw? Fear of getting clobbered? Again? But there was literally zero pressure on him, there wasn't a defender within 5 yards. He's a loser |
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Post by Swamp Dragon on Aug 24, 2017 1:15:59 GMT -5
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Post by Swamp Dragon on Aug 25, 2017 21:36:53 GMT -5
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Post by Swamp Dragon on Aug 26, 2017 15:21:00 GMT -5
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Post by Swamp Dragon on Aug 26, 2017 15:31:03 GMT -5
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Post by Swamp Dragon on Oct 26, 2017 1:15:19 GMT -5
I saw one play where he severely underthrew ARob. He had tons of time, no real pass rush making him hurry. And he throws the he's vall flat footed off of his back foot. Didn't step into the throw, shit like that should be easy to fix/teach After 4 years, he should already know this. Simple, repetitive QB mechanics. Tom House said they were most proud of the work they had done with him to fix his release mechanics after his breakout 2nd season where he looked like he was going to become a stud. Their line went to shit last season and he went back to his comfort zone which even some of the best can be rattled into at times, but damn I watched 1/2 dozen games of them in 2015 and then the next season holy fuck. I had him in FF and he scored tons in garbage time when teams don't send as much pressure. And I place the blame squarely on college coaches who have ruined the pipeline from college to pros by emphasizing system over proper technique cause it's easier to teach. If I had a 5 star recruit offensive player as a son or as a high school coach I would tell all those that don't run pro style offenses and/or teaching them how to succeed at the next level to go somewhere else. Do the professors at the University teach students to pass their classes so they have a high % of students that pass their class or do they help them succeed in their chosen field . Tell me which one would you want teaching you. |
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Post by Swamp Dragon on Oct 26, 2017 2:01:04 GMT -5
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Post by Otis B. Driftwood on Oct 26, 2017 7:03:47 GMT -5
After 4 years, he should already know this. Simple, repetitive QB mechanics. Tom House said they were most proud of the work they had done with him to fix his release mechanics after his breakout 2nd season where he looked like he was going to become a stud. Their line went to shit last season and he went back to his comfort zone which even some of the best can be rattled into at times, but damn I watched 1/2 dozen games of them in 2015 and then the next season holy fuck. I had him in FF and he scored tons in garbage time when teams don't send as much pressure. And I place the blame squarely on college coaches who have ruined the pipeline from college to pros by emphasizing system over proper technique cause it's easier to teach. If I had a 5 star recruit offensive player as a son or as a high school coach I would tell all those that don't run pro style offenses and/or teaching them how to succeed at the next level to go somewhere else. Do the professors at the University teach students to pass their classes so they have a high % of students that pass their class or do they help them succeed in their chosen field . Tell me which one would you want teaching you. Tom House. Former Rangers pitching coach. Primarily responsible for ruining careers of Rangers pitchers for years. So there's that. |
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Post by Swamp Dragon on Oct 26, 2017 19:51:04 GMT -5
Tom House said they were most proud of the work they had done with him to fix his release mechanics after his breakout 2nd season where he looked like he was going to become a stud. Their line went to shit last season and he went back to his comfort zone which even some of the best can be rattled into at times, but damn I watched 1/2 dozen games of them in 2015 and then the next season holy fuck. I had him in FF and he scored tons in garbage time when teams don't send as much pressure. And I place the blame squarely on college coaches who have ruined the pipeline from college to pros by emphasizing system over proper technique cause it's easier to teach. If I had a 5 star recruit offensive player as a son or as a high school coach I would tell all those that don't run pro style offenses and/or teaching them how to succeed at the next level to go somewhere else. Do the professors at the University teach students to pass their classes so they have a high % of students that pass their class or do they help them succeed in their chosen field . Tell me which one would you want teaching you. Tom House. Former Rangers pitching coach. Primarily responsible for ruining careers of Rangers pitchers for years. So there's that.
excerpt from Nolan Ryan HoF speech
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Post by Swamp Dragon on Oct 26, 2017 19:57:17 GMT -5
Tom House said they were most proud of the work they had done with him to fix his release mechanics after his breakout 2nd season where he looked like he was going to become a stud. Their line went to shit last season and he went back to his comfort zone which even some of the best can be rattled into at times, but damn I watched 1/2 dozen games of them in 2015 and then the next season holy fuck. I had him in FF and he scored tons in garbage time when teams don't send as much pressure. And I place the blame squarely on college coaches who have ruined the pipeline from college to pros by emphasizing system over proper technique cause it's easier to teach. If I had a 5 star recruit offensive player as a son or as a high school coach I would tell all those that don't run pro style offenses and/or teaching them how to succeed at the next level to go somewhere else. Do the professors at the University teach students to pass their classes so they have a high % of students that pass their class or do they help them succeed in their chosen field . Tell me which one would you want teaching you. Tom House. Former Rangers pitching coach. Primarily responsible for ruining careers of Rangers pitchers for years. So there's that. |
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Post by Otis B. Driftwood on Oct 27, 2017 8:11:23 GMT -5
Tom House. Former Rangers pitching coach. Primarily responsible for ruining careers of Rangers pitchers for years. So there's that.
excerpt from Nolan Ryan HoF speech
Yeah. I barfed a little when he said that. I'm sure Edwin Correa, Bobby Witt and Jose Guzman would disagree. |
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Post by Swamp Dragon on Oct 27, 2017 21:25:59 GMT -5
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