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Post by Zig on Feb 10, 2017 11:38:39 GMT -5
Seems like it's about as much of a consensus now for Brady as it was for Montana before Brady got his 4th ring so I want to know if you agree or not, and why.  Now to intercept any "only Patriots fans think he's GOAT" talk, I give you the following(all from before Super Bowl LI): Many great players are calling Tom Brady the best everIs Patriots quarterback Tom Brady the greatest player in NFL history? A long list of Hall of Fame players think so. As Brady prepares to play in his NFL record seventh Super Bowl, he’s been proclaimed the best ever to play the game by a couple dozen Hall of Famers, as compiled by NFL writer Dov Kleiman. Hall of Fame quarterback Troy Aikman said he’s always considered Joe Montana the greatest, but has now changed his mind and gives the nod to Brady. After the Patriots won their 201st game with Brady starting, the most in NFL history, Brett Favre released a video saying to Brady, “You’re the best.” “I surrender,” wrote Hall of Fame quarterback Fran Tarkenton. “He is the greatest QB ever.” Ray Lewis, perhaps the best defensive player of Brady’s generation, called Brady “the best quarterback we’ve ever seen.” Lewis’s teammate Ed Reed agreed in an Inside the NFL segment, as did Boomer Esiason (although Phil Simms wouldn’t commit). Darrelle Revis, who has played both with and against Brady, calls him the best ever. The great former Steelers receiver Hines Ward called Brady the best of all time this week. Hall of Fame running back Barry Sanders said this week that Brady is obviously the greatest quarterback ever. Kurt Warner, a Hall of Fame candidate, said this week that Brady has already settled the debate and established himself as the best quarterback ever. Joe Theismann said the same this week. And a great coach who was a pretty big quarterback, Jim Harbaugh, called Brady the best football player ever. A fifth Super Bowl ring could be a crowning achievement for Brady, but many of the all-time greats think Brady is already the greatest of all time. profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2017/02/04/many-great-players-are-calling-tom-brady-the-best-ever/As well as most major sports outlets, here's just a few-from before Lombardi 35 btw 1a) Tom Brady www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000724524/article/tom-brady-joe-montana-head-top-10-quarterbacks-in-nfl-historywww.cbssports.com/nfl/photos/best-quarterbacks-ever 1 / 15. Tom Brady. ftw.usatoday.com/2016/12/greatest-quarterbacks-ever-rankings-list-tom-brady-peyton-manning-joe-montana-dan-marino-drew-brees-brett-favre-johnny-unitas-goat-stats1_brady It’s getting really hard to argue against Brady being the greatest quarterback of all time. He’s got the wins like Montana and stats like Manning. And we’ve never really seen a quarterback be this good for so long. Brady’s actually getting better as he inches closer to his 40th birthday. If he gets one more ring and continues to put up numbers, this won’t even be an argument. 1 Tom Brady, 2000-present www.foxsports.com/nfl/lists/greatest-quarterbacks-nfl-history-dan-marino-peyton-manning-tom-brady-joe-montana-030215 |
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Post by Swamp Dragon on Feb 10, 2017 21:12:52 GMT -5
Otto Graham: - 10 seasons played - 10 Championship game appearance aka every season of his career - 7 Championships won (including 5 straight from 1946-1950) - And a career regular season record of 105-17-4 (84.9%) Despite playing in an era where it was legal to mug the QB on every play, Graham never missed a game. He was also a dual-threat, finishing his career with 44 rushing touchdowns. Fun fact: Graham's career 9.0 yards per pass attempt is still a record to this day. Took my argument away. I also look at the fact it is way too hard to decide between era's but I believe my Mount Rushmore would have Otto Tom Joe and ? ? ? |
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Post by Swamp Dragon on Feb 10, 2017 21:26:11 GMT -5
Otto Graham: - 10 seasons played - 10 Championship game appearance aka every season of his career - 7 Championships won (including 5 straight from 1946-1950) - And a career regular season record of 105-17-4 (84.9%) Despite playing in an era where it was legal to mug the QB on every play, Graham never missed a game. He was also a dual-threat, finishing his career with 44 rushing touchdowns. Fun fact: Graham's career 9.0 yards per pass attempt is still a record to this day. Took my argument away. I also look at the fact it is way too hard to decide between era's but I believe my Mount Rushmore would have Otto Tom Joe and ? ? ? Fun fact: all of my 3 Mount Rushmore QB's also had the greatest coach of their eras Paul Brown Hoodie and Bill Walsh |
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Post by Swamp Dragon on Feb 10, 2017 22:26:12 GMT -5
Took my argument away. I also look at the fact it is way too hard to decide between era's but I believe my Mount Rushmore would have Otto Tom Joe and ? ? ? I'd consider Johnny Unitas. Those who watched him play claim he was right up there with Montana. And he fills the time gap nicely between Graham and Montana. No overlap between the four: Graham 1946-1955 Unitas 1956-1973 Montana 1979-1994 Brady 2000-present Yes a very good choice. Sid Luckman as well, problem with him is the only one of us to see him play live would be 50yearfan. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 10, 2017 22:41:07 GMT -5
Otto Graham: - 10 seasons played - 10 Championship game appearance aka every season of his career - 7 Championships won (including 5 straight from 1946-1950) - And a career regular season record of 105-17-4 (84.9%) Despite playing in an era where it was legal to mug the QB on every play, Graham never missed a game. He was also a dual-threat, finishing his career with 44 rushing touchdowns. Fun fact: Graham's career 9.0 yards per pass attempt is still a record to this day. Took my argument away. I also look at the fact it is way too hard to decide between era's but I believe my Mount Rushmore would have Otto Tom Joe and ? ? ? Save a spot for Prescott  I think it is different even between Montana and Brady. Different rules, equipment, play calling (QB calling vs coaches in the pressbox). That being said he is definitely in the conversation and is the greatest in this era |
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Post by Swamp Dragon on Feb 11, 2017 0:08:12 GMT -5
Took my argument away. I also look at the fact it is way too hard to decide between era's but I believe my Mount Rushmore would have Otto Tom Joe and ? ? ? Save a spot for Prescott I think it is different even between Montana and Brady. Different rules, equipment, play calling (QB calling vs coaches in the pressbox). That being said he is definitely in the conversation and is the greatest in this era Montana's era they didn't call their own plays they were hand signaled in by the back-up QB and/or a asst. coaches. Prescott is not even close to an elite quarterback Christ he's only played 17 career games call back in a dozen years or so. I off the top of my head have 12 QB's I'd rather have for 2017. Four that I would be happier with for 2017 and beyond. You should be ashamed at your Argo like man love of your home team player. Yes he had a great season kinda reminds me of another player that won Offensive Rookie of the year in DC about 4 years or so ago. Everyone thought he was the best thing since sliced bread and the zone read was revolutionary and they should get his suit size cause he's going to be in Canton first ballot. Okay enough razzing your pick I believe that he has the inner character to become a better QB and will but the Pokes played a very vanilla offense with him last season half field reads etc but he did do great and the pressure in Dallas fishbowl is right up there with the Yankees in MLB the Leafs or Canadiens in NHL a total media circus. The game is not too big for him I expect him to be a pretty good QB over the rest of his rookie contract |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 11, 2017 9:08:43 GMT -5
Save a spot for Prescott I think it is different even between Montana and Brady. Different rules, equipment, play calling (QB calling vs coaches in the pressbox). That being said he is definitely in the conversation and is the greatest in this era Montana's era they didn't call their own plays they were hand signaled in by the back-up QB and/or a asst. coaches. Prescott is not even close to an elite quarterback Christ he's only played 17 career games call back in a dozen years or so. I off the top of my head have 12 QB's I'd rather have for 2017. Four that I would be happier with for 2017 and beyond. You should be ashamed at your Argo like man love of your home team player. Yes he had a great season kinda reminds me of another player that won Offensive Rookie of the year in DC about 4 years or so ago. Everyone thought he was the best thing since sliced bread and the zone read was revolutionary and they should get his suit size cause he's going to be in Canton first ballot. Okay enough razzing your pick I believe that he has the inner character to become a better QB and will but the Pokes played a very vanilla offense with him last season half field reads etc but he did do great and the pressure in Dallas fishbowl is right up there with the Yankees in MLB the Leafs or Canadiens in NHL a total media circus. The game is not too big for him I expect him to be a pretty good QB over the rest of his rookie contract While I do like Prescott you did see the smiley face? Lighten up a little Francis. Yes they used hand signals in Montana's day but that is significantly less than being able to actually send the play by voice with the play nuances. Just trying to point out the subtle differences between the times each played... Paragraphs? |
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Post by Swamp Dragon on Feb 11, 2017 15:59:10 GMT -5
Montana's era they didn't call their own plays they were hand signaled in by the back-up QB and/or a asst. coaches. Prescott is not even close to an elite quarterback Christ he's only played 17 career games call back in a dozen years or so. I off the top of my head have 12 QB's I'd rather have for 2017. Four that I would be happier with for 2017 and beyond. You should be ashamed at your Argo like man love of your home team player. Yes he had a great season kinda reminds me of another player that won Offensive Rookie of the year in DC about 4 years or so ago. Everyone thought he was the best thing since sliced bread and the zone read was revolutionary and they should get his suit size cause he's going to be in Canton first ballot. Okay enough razzing your pick I believe that he has the inner character to become a better QB and will but the Pokes played a very vanilla offense with him last season half field reads etc but he did do great and the pressure in Dallas fishbowl is right up there with the Yankees in MLB the Leafs or Canadiens in NHL a total media circus. The game is not too big for him I expect him to be a pretty good QB over the rest of his rookie contract While I do like Prescott you did see the smiley face? Lighten up a little Francis. Yes they used hand signals in Montana's day but that is significantly less than being able to actually send the play by voice with the play nuances. Just trying to point out the subtle differences between the times each played... Paragraphs? Yeah saw the smiley after the post. Had this argument with a couple people and I went all geneh on ya. Sorry I think he has a great chance to become a great player, his work ethic and demeanor remind me of Russell Wilson. I like him and I can see if he stays healthy becoming an elite QB. His issues were not athletic they were concerns of his ability to "get" the pro game. I think he answered that |
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Post by Swamp Dragon on Feb 11, 2017 16:43:36 GMT -5
Montana's era they didn't call their own plays they were hand signaled in by the back-up QB and/or a asst. coaches. Prescott is not even close to an elite quarterback Christ he's only played 17 career games call back in a dozen years or so. I off the top of my head have 12 QB's I'd rather have for 2017. Four that I would be happier with for 2017 and beyond. You should be ashamed at your Argo like man love of your home team player. Yes he had a great season kinda reminds me of another player that won Offensive Rookie of the year in DC about 4 years or so ago. Everyone thought he was the best thing since sliced bread and the zone read was revolutionary and they should get his suit size cause he's going to be in Canton first ballot. Okay enough razzing your pick I believe that he has the inner character to become a better QB and will but the Pokes played a very vanilla offense with him last season half field reads etc but he did do great and the pressure in Dallas fishbowl is right up there with the Yankees in MLB the Leafs or Canadiens in NHL a total media circus. The game is not too big for him I expect him to be a pretty good QB over the rest of his rookie contract Here are all the QBs to win AP ROY since the award began in 1967: 1970 Dennis Shaw 2004 Ben Roethlisberger 2006 Vince Young 2008 Matt Ryan 2010 Sam Bradford 2011 Cam Newton 2012 Robert Griffin III 2016 Dak Prescott First off, it's really just a recent change in culture that QBs have been winning the award. I still say Zeke was more deserving but that's a topic for another thread. More importantly, its not exactly a who's who of HOFers. For every Ben Roethlisberger, there is a Vince Young. So while the award is impressive to win, it's certainly no guarantee of career success. Talent will only get you so far, it is the will to constantly improve, work ethic and football IQ that make you an elite QB. Every player out there, well about 90% are supreme athletes it's the Brady's and Wilson's the JJ Watts Julio's and Mack's that strive to be the best that end up the creme of the crop. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 11, 2017 23:20:58 GMT -5
Here are all the QBs to win AP ROY since the award began in 1967: 1970 Dennis Shaw 2004 Ben Roethlisberger 2006 Vince Young 2008 Matt Ryan 2010 Sam Bradford 2011 Cam Newton 2012 Robert Griffin III 2016 Dak Prescott First off, it's really just a recent change in culture that QBs have been winning the award. I still say Zeke was more deserving but that's a topic for another thread. More importantly, its not exactly a who's who of HOFers. For every Ben Roethlisberger, there is a Vince Young. So while the award is impressive to win, it's certainly no guarantee of career success. Talent will only get you so far, it is the will to constantly improve, work ethic and football IQ that make you an elite QB. Every player out there, well about 90% are supreme athletes it's the Brady's and Wilson's the JJ Watts Julio's and Mack's that strive to be the best that end up the creme of the crop. That's one thing that impressed me about Dak. Even in college he didn't let all the Hoopla get to his head. And last year he was more into studying the play book rather than go to a free concert, or spent the bye week visiting his grandparents rather than doing the NFL party. And the game does not seem to be too much for him...but time will tell |
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Post by Swamp Dragon on Feb 12, 2017 18:05:33 GMT -5
Talent will only get you so far, it is the will to constantly improve, work ethic and football IQ that make you an elite QB. Every player out there, well about 90% are supreme athletes it's the Brady's and Wilson's the JJ Watts Julio's and Mack's that strive to be the best that end up the creme of the crop. That's one thing that impressed me about Dak. Even in college he didn't let all the Hoopla get to his head. And last year he was more into studying the play book rather than go to a free concert, or spent the bye week visiting his grandparents rather than doing the NFL party. And the game does not seem to be too much for him...but time will tell Point, RG3 is a better athlete can throw all the passes but back during his DC days he would rather look good than play good and rely on his God-given talent as opposed to improve his play and because his football IQ was low we found out he had already hit his ceiling. DC's just like they did to the zone read they did to RG3's tendencies and schemed their strengths out of the game and now he's a back-up probably the rest of his career |
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Post by EWA Beach PGH Fan on Feb 14, 2017 8:53:47 GMT -5
Why should he??? What's wrong with Joe thinking he's the best?  ?? |
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Post by Swamp Dragon on Feb 14, 2017 18:13:56 GMT -5
Why should he??? What's wrong with Joe thinking he's the best? ?? Didn't read the story I see, he echoed my can't compare across era's and brought Baugh and Graham up as other candidates |
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Post by EWA Beach PGH Fan on Feb 15, 2017 13:52:26 GMT -5
Why should he??? What's wrong with Joe thinking he's the best? ?? Didn't read the story I see, he echoed my can't compare across era's and brought Baugh and Graham up as other candidates Didn't need to case I saw it on the NFL Network. My answer still stands, why is it so shocking that Joe won't name someone who came after him as better than him??? They were just looking for a sound bite and Montana stoned them. Good for him!!! |
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Post by Zig on Feb 15, 2017 14:04:40 GMT -5
doesnt count if you dont vote!
I'm undecided and he's not even finished yet. I'm pretty f-ing glad to have him, that's all that really matter (to me). Even down 25 I never threw in the towel because....BRADY!!!
and James White of course.
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Post by thinwhiteduke on Sept 13, 2017 13:11:46 GMT -5
no such thing as greatest ever at anything.
Every 10 to 15 years,some guy is/appears to be better then his peers.
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Post by pr0t0cl0wn on Sept 13, 2017 14:28:25 GMT -5
Is this just for QB or all positions?
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Post by thinwhiteduke on Sept 17, 2017 22:06:34 GMT -5
just testing my post box colors lol
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Post by Swamp Dragon on Sept 19, 2017 11:58:39 GMT -5
Is this just for QB or all positions? Missionary, doggie style, cowgirl, 69 |
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Post by Swamp Dragon on Sept 19, 2017 12:08:19 GMT -5
just testing my post box colors lol
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Post by EWA Beach PGH Fan on Sept 26, 2017 10:16:39 GMT -5
Is this just for QB or all positions? Missionary, doggie style, cowgirl, 69 Don't forget Congress of the Crow. #comasutra |
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