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Post by aka50yearfan on Apr 10, 2016 14:15:07 GMT -5
OK Swampy
I agree the Giants take offense at 10. I would take WR too and he is the best as far as I know and his last 40 time don't mean squat, they only have one legit WR on the roster now and it is in Reeses' DNA to take WR early. Nicks, Smith, Randle, and OBJ. The cowboys are cow chip stupid if they do not take a QB at 4. Next years QB class is predicted to be lousy and you do not expect them to have the fourth pick again for years. The titans pray every night that some team calls them for that first pick, sucks to be them, they know they can get a very good OT through mid first round.
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Post by Swamp Dragon on Apr 10, 2016 21:11:03 GMT -5
OK Swampy I agree the Giants take offense at 10. I would take WR too and he is the best as far as I know and his last 40 time don't mean squat, they only have one legit WR on the roster now and it is in Reeses' DNA to take WR early. Nicks, Smith, Randle, and OBJ. The cowboys are cow chip stupid if they do not take a QB at 4. Next years QB class is predicted to be lousy and you do not expect them to have the fourth pick again for years. The titans pray every night that some team calls them for that first pick, sucks to be them, they know they can get a very good OT through mid first round. Rumor has it the Eagles are fishing for Wentz. Word has it Pederson loves him and I would guess they are hoping the Browns go with Goff then they only need to get ahead of the Niners. Thing is the Niners have tons of picks and if they wanted to mover up they could do it easier |
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Post by dyhard on Apr 11, 2016 2:19:48 GMT -5
Adams had problems with drops, but he was looked upon to be a number 2 and sometimes as a 1 to keep Cobb in his same position. that's not what he is. he's a 3 and that's what he'll be this season. the drops are a concern, but the rest of his talents aren't. Montgomery is fine, he'll be fine & he's a 4th option anyway. so I don't see an issue. wasn't looked upon to be too much anyway. I don't care if he was a d-II player or not, that's irrelevant. what's relevant is what he's shown us so far & what he brings to the table. he has speed. that's what you said they needed right? That's what they do need, right? so he'll get playing time & add speed. plus, Nelson is back so speed isn't an issue anymore. and I know your not in GB or follow fans so you don't see it, but fans were calling local radio stations damn near begging McCarthy to get Janis in the game. the Packers' writers also were looking for him to come in the game. all these fans on Twitter/FB wanted Janis in the game. he finally got his opportunity the last game of the season and in the playoffs and shown what he can do. the reason he didn't play? i don't know, you have to ask McCarthy. maybe it was something McCarthy didn't like. maybe McCarthy didn't want to go with him because he thought he had better options. I don't know, but he's 5th or 6th on the depth anyway currently so I'm not really concerned too much. they have no interest in signing Jones because they want to go with the young players & don't want to take development/playing time away from them.
Nelson, Cobb, Adams/Montgomery/Janis/Abberdaris. production got taken away because of Nelson. you could easily see that. Rodgers wasn't himself, Nelson wasn't there. it was like the offense was lost without a playmaker besides Cobb. the running game wasn't good because Lacy ran into defenders like he was blind. the run-blocking was terrible. the offense couldn't get moving. with Nelson back & Lacy losing weight & the signing of Cook, I see why there should be no issues with the offense besides run blocking in which they'll take care of the need in the draft. why waste top picks on a WR that they don't need, when they could clearly pick ILB/DT first 3 picks and then go after run-blocking OL n fill in needs later in draft like usual So what happens if Nelson gets injured again. Pedestrian offense. There is a simple reason it was put down as a need. Last season ONE PLAYER got injured and their passing offense fell apart. If I'm drafting I'm making sure I address that problem.
The statement about Janis being D-II wasn't meaning that that means he can't be a good enough player . It's like double A to the majors there is an adjustment period. He put up great numbers in college but in Green Bay he only got on the field (on offense) due to Nelson being out and Montgomery. I am interesting in seeing the jump he makes in 2016. Also you always look to get better and in my opinion that is a place the Packers should look if it was the exact same team from last year, I'd say you were probably right. but it's not. they had no run game. Lacy was overweight and couldn't do anything. Starks isn't a RB that can handle the offense by himself. you have Lacy back to the weight they want him to be (I believe UNDER what he was drafted at), they have Starks to compliment him in the backfield. they signed Cook to help at the TE position which was a big need in which early mocks had them drafting TE in 1st round. if Nelson got injured again, the offense isn't going to be stuck like it was last year. they have improved their worse areas. another concern is Rodgers accuracy problems last year. I can't blame Montgomery for all his 12 drops on him, Rodgers was throwing the ball up, down, left & right of the receiver consistently. with regards to Janis, I believe they'll incorporate him more this season due to how he performed when he hit the field. while I have no problem adding another WR for depth, they have much bigger needs & I don't consider it a "primary need", those are ILB, DT & Run-blocking OL. |
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Post by dyhard on Apr 11, 2016 2:23:11 GMT -5
Adams had problems with drops, but he was looked upon to be a number 2 and sometimes as a 1 to keep Cobb in his same position. that's not what he is. he's a 3 and that's what he'll be this season. the drops are a concern, but the rest of his talents aren't. Montgomery is fine, he'll be fine & he's a 4th option anyway. so I don't see an issue. wasn't looked upon to be too much anyway. I don't care if he was a d-II player or not, that's irrelevant. what's relevant is what he's shown us so far & what he brings to the table. he has speed. that's what you said they needed right? That's what they do need, right? so he'll get playing time & add speed. plus, Nelson is back so speed isn't an issue anymore. and I know your not in GB or follow fans so you don't see it, but fans were calling local radio stations damn near begging McCarthy to get Janis in the game. the Packers' writers also were looking for him to come in the game. all these fans on Twitter/FB wanted Janis in the game. he finally got his opportunity the last game of the season and in the playoffs and shown what he can do. the reason he didn't play? i don't know, you have to ask McCarthy. maybe it was something McCarthy didn't like. maybe McCarthy didn't want to go with him because he thought he had better options. I don't know, but he's 5th or 6th on the depth anyway currently so I'm not really concerned too much. they have no interest in signing Jones because they want to go with the young players & don't want to take development/playing time away from them. Nelson, Cobb, Adams/Montgomery/Janis/Abberdaris. production got taken away because of Nelson. you could easily see that. Rodgers wasn't himself, Nelson wasn't there. it was like the offense was lost without a playmaker besides Cobb. the running game wasn't good because Lacy ran into defenders like he was blind. the run-blocking was terrible. the offense couldn't get moving. with Nelson back & Lacy losing weight & the signing of Cook, I see why there should be no issues with the offense besides run blocking in which they'll take care of the need in the draft. why waste top picks on a WR that they don't need, when they could clearly pick ILB/DT first 3 picks and then go after run-blocking OL n fill in needs later in draft like usual It is a need. You don't reach for a WR but when your pick comes up and there's a player at a position of need a couple spots down your board with a similar grade you step up . At this time ILB and DT are the two most glaring needs. As per all teams O-line is a need and again as per all teams the back ten on the teams depth chart can be upgraded they can always add depth. every team needs depth. but I agree, ILB & DT are glaring needs. on a side note, the Packers did bring in a WR today to look at. not sure where he's projected to go though |
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Post by aka50yearfan on Apr 11, 2016 8:39:19 GMT -5
OK Swampy I agree the Giants take offense at 10. I would take WR too and he is the best as far as I know and his last 40 time don't mean squat, they only have one legit WR on the roster now and it is in Reeses' DNA to take WR early. Nicks, Smith, Randle, and OBJ. The cowboys are cow chip stupid if they do not take a QB at 4. Next years QB class is predicted to be lousy and you do not expect them to have the fourth pick again for years. The titans pray every night that some team calls them for that first pick, sucks to be them, they know they can get a very good OT through mid first round. Rumor has it the Eagles are fishing for Wentz. Word has it Pederson loves him and I would guess they are hoping the Browns go with Goff then they only need to get ahead of the Niners. Thing is the Niners have tons of picks and if they wanted to mover up they could do it easier I heard that about the eagles on nfl radio the other day. makes sense now they have gm back in tow and kelly gone. it is still a great draft for any team if the ONLY thing they take away from it is a solid nfl QB....I hope the eagles and cowboys do not take a qb this time only because me Gmen need help from other teams being stupid to do anything right now. |
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Post by aka50yearfan on Apr 11, 2016 8:45:49 GMT -5
Gil Brandt thinks there is so little difference over picks 16-50 to not even try to list them in order. He may well be right.
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Post by aka50yearfan on Apr 11, 2016 8:49:43 GMT -5
Yo Bosa fans! If he is so frigging good how come he ends up with only five sacks in 2015 once he is the main guy to block after the best DE on the team left town after 2014? Maybe he looks better than he plays. where is the production? ya think he will not see double teams in the NFL? And that would not be until he proves he can beat a good nfl OT. Not saying he is bust material, but am saying he is not the fourth best pick in this draft ( excluding QB ).
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Post by Swamp Dragon on Apr 11, 2016 11:05:05 GMT -5
Yo Bosa fans! If he is so frigging good how come he ends up with only five sacks in 2015 once he is the main guy to block after the best DE on the team left town after 2014? Maybe he looks better than he plays. where is the production? ya think he will not see double teams in the NFL? And that would not be until he proves he can beat a good nfl OT. Not saying he is bust material, but am saying he is not the fourth best pick in this draft ( excluding QB ). Agree He is going to be a run stuffing type he has too good a motor to be a bust. He's a high floor low ceiling type |
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Post by Swamp Dragon on Apr 11, 2016 12:01:00 GMT -5
OK Swampy I agree the Giants take offense at 10. I would take WR too and he is the best as far as I know and his last 40 time don't mean squat, they only have one legit WR on the roster now and it is in Reeses' DNA to take WR early. Nicks, Smith, Randle, and OBJ. The Cowboys are cow chip stupid if they do not take a QB at 4. Next years QB class is predicted to be lousy and you do not expect them to have the fourth pick again for years. The titans pray every night that some team calls them for that first pick, sucks to be them, they know they can get a very good OT through mid first round. If Wentz is there at four I'd take him otherwise I like a couple of project guys Dak Prescott and Cardale Jones. There are already a few teams on the Prescott bandwagon including the Broncos and he is projected to go late 1st, teams like that extra season they get, early 2nd. I believe that if Jones has the right mindset, a Russell Wilson, Brady, Peyton type yearning to succeed and a good football IQ his ceiling would be the sky. These are the things that I can't see when I watch them. Hackenberg is another interesting prospect/suspect. If you are looking for a career back-up Hogan out of Stanford would be my 7th rouncer |
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Post by Swamp Dragon on Apr 11, 2016 13:16:10 GMT -5
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Post by Canuck eh? on Apr 11, 2016 16:52:35 GMT -5
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Post by dyhard on Apr 12, 2016 3:53:31 GMT -5
Probably all of them except parole. turns out the Vikings & Dallas both are looking into drafting him. Raiders also have interest. the arrest moved him up on those 3 teams' boards |
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Post by dyhard on Apr 12, 2016 3:55:20 GMT -5
Rumor has it the Eagles are fishing for Wentz. Word has it Pederson loves him and I would guess they are hoping the Browns go with Goff then they only need to get ahead of the Niners. Thing is the Niners have tons of picks and if they wanted to mover up they could do it easier I heard that about the eagles on nfl radio the other day. makes sense now they have gm back in tow and kelly gone. it is still a great draft for any team if the ONLY thing they take away from it is a solid nfl QB....I hope the eagles and cowboys do not take a qb this time only because me Gmen need help from other teams being stupid to do anything right now. speaking of Chip Kelly, it's too bad that he won't be able to work with Kaepernick. I really hope he does because that team will be good & it'll revitalize Kaepernick in my opinion. his offense is great. only thing that could kill it is Kaepernick and his inaccuracy. but with the trade of Clady that Denver did (in which they severely got finessed by NYJ), I feel as if Kaepernick is on the verge of moving to Denver. interesting to see if he gets moved on draft day or right before. |
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Post by Swamp Dragon on Apr 12, 2016 13:22:59 GMT -5
I heard that about the eagles on nfl radio the other day. makes sense now they have gm back in tow and kelly gone. it is still a great draft for any team if the ONLY thing they take away from it is a solid nfl QB....I hope the eagles and cowboys do not take a qb this time only because me Gmen need help from other teams being stupid to do anything right now. speaking of Chip Kelly, it's too bad that he won't be able to work with Kaepernick. I really hope he does because that team will be good & it'll revitalize Kaepernick in my opinion. his offense is great. only thing that could kill it is Kaepernick and his inaccuracy. but with the trade of Clady that Denver did (in which they severely got finessed by NYJ), I feel as if Kaepernick is on the verge of moving to Denver. interesting to see if he gets moved on draft day or right before. How did they get fleeced if anything it was the Jets who got fleeced as the Broncos would have released him if they didn't make the trade as they are right up against the cap and Okungs deal is far cheaper than Clady's. Where did you think the cap space was coming to get Kaepernick I personally would be going after Glennon if I was the Jets or Broncos |
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Post by dyhard on Apr 13, 2016 4:04:25 GMT -5
speaking of Chip Kelly, it's too bad that he won't be able to work with Kaepernick. I really hope he does because that team will be good & it'll revitalize Kaepernick in my opinion. his offense is great. only thing that could kill it is Kaepernick and his inaccuracy. but with the trade of Clady that Denver did (in which they severely got finessed by NYJ), I feel as if Kaepernick is on the verge of moving to Denver. interesting to see if he gets moved on draft day or right before. How did they get fleeced if anything it was the Jets who got fleeced as the Broncos would have released him if they didn't make the trade as they are right up against the cap and Okungs deal is far cheaper than Clady's. Where did you think the cap space was coming to get Kaepernick I personally would be going after Glennon if I was the Jets or Broncos what is fleeced? I said finessed...but Clady is one of the best tackles in the game. I understand that the Broncos are right up against the cap, but why only get a 5th round pick for him? With Ferguson retiring, the Jets needed a tackle to replace him. if I was Denver, I would've asked for a 2nd round pick or something at LEAST, only a 5th round is severely low. a 5th round pick for a top tackle + a 7th round pick, I don't see how the Jets got finessed in any way, shape or form. |
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Post by Swamp Dragon on Apr 13, 2016 10:36:04 GMT -5
How did they get fleeced if anything it was the Jets who got fleeced as the Broncos would have released him if they didn't make the trade as they are right up against the cap and Okungs deal is far cheaper than Clady's. Where did you think the cap space was coming to get Kaepernick I personally would be going after Glennon if I was the Jets or Broncos what is fleeced? I said finessed...but Clady is one of the best tackles in the game. I understand that the Broncos are right up against the cap, but why only get a 5th round pick for him? With Ferguson retiring, the Jets needed a tackle to replace him. if I was Denver, I would've asked for a 2nd round pick or something at LEAST, only a 5th round is severely low. a 5th round pick for a top tackle + a 7th round pick, I don't see how the Jets got finessed in any way, shape or form. You said the Jets finessed the trade I said if anyone got fleeced it was the Jets. Clady was as good as gone He had been on the market for months I would have offered just a 7th for him. Next season's. I can see Maccagnan dilemma, D'Brick was a constant 2nd tier LT who NEVER took a play off. One in his entire career on a late game trick play. Clady is just a one season fix unless he can get healthy and rebound to his 2012 play I guess all in all it wasn't too expensive but the Broncos didn't get finnessed |
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Post by Swamp Dragon on Apr 14, 2016 1:19:39 GMT -5
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Post by dyhard on Apr 14, 2016 2:52:49 GMT -5
what is fleeced? I said finessed...but Clady is one of the best tackles in the game. I understand that the Broncos are right up against the cap, but why only get a 5th round pick for him? With Ferguson retiring, the Jets needed a tackle to replace him. if I was Denver, I would've asked for a 2nd round pick or something at LEAST, only a 5th round is severely low. a 5th round pick for a top tackle + a 7th round pick, I don't see how the Jets got finessed in any way, shape or form. Dyhard! "Fleeced" means getting the raw end of a lopsided deal. Taken advantage of. ok, word didn't sound familiar to me at all. how've you been though Grue, long time no see |
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Post by dyhard on Apr 14, 2016 2:54:46 GMT -5
what is fleeced? I said finessed...but Clady is one of the best tackles in the game. I understand that the Broncos are right up against the cap, but why only get a 5th round pick for him? With Ferguson retiring, the Jets needed a tackle to replace him. if I was Denver, I would've asked for a 2nd round pick or something at LEAST, only a 5th round is severely low. a 5th round pick for a top tackle + a 7th round pick, I don't see how the Jets got finessed in any way, shape or form. You said the Jets finessed the trade I said if anyone got fleeced it was the Jets. Clady was as good as gone He had been on the market for months I would have offered just a 7th for him. Next season's. I can see Maccagnan dilemma, D'Brick was a constant 2nd tier LT who NEVER took a play off. One in his entire career on a late game trick play. Clady is just a one season fix unless he can get healthy and rebound to his 2012 play I guess all in all it wasn't too expensive but the Broncos didn't get finnessed Clady did a fantastic job last season for Denver & I believe he's still one of the best LT in the game today. to only get a 5th round pick is a lowball in my opinion. they could've gotten more for him, but the contract is something that probably caused some issues with regards to interest. we'll see how Denver fairs. schedules come out tomorrow night |
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Post by Swamp Dragon on Apr 14, 2016 13:18:48 GMT -5
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The Rams are on the clock
The terms are as follows: Tennessee gets: Rams' first-round pick (2016), two second-round picks (2016) third-round pick (2016), first-round pick (2017), third-round pick (2017).
Rams get: Titans' first-overall pick (2016), fourth-round pick (2016), sixth-round pick (2016).
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Post by "TIJ" Michael Davis on Apr 15, 2016 20:39:47 GMT -5
We need a new mock out of you considering the Titans/Rams trade messes up everything... With that said, Dallas would pick Bosa in that next mock more than likely. Dallas signed Alfred Morris and also bring back the 4th-best rusher of last year (despite not starting every game) Darren McFadden. I don't believe Dallas picks a backup QB in the first, because that's just dumb.
Bosa is the most likely pick considering the Cowboys aren't bringing Hardy back and Randy Gregory's been popped with 4 games, so we've got no idea if Gregory is committed to playing football or getting high. So it's really Joey Bosa, or on draft day, trade down in the draft (most likely with San Fransisco if a QB slips to 4)
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Post by Swamp Dragon on Apr 16, 2016 13:30:26 GMT -5
We need a new mock out of you considering the Titans/Rams trade messes up everything... With that said, Dallas would pick Bosa in that next mock more than likely. Dallas signed Alfred Morris and also bring back the 4th-best rusher of last year (despite not starting every game) Darren McFadden. I don't believe Dallas picks a backup QB in the first, because that's just dumb. Bosa is the most likely pick considering the Cowboys aren't bringing Hardy back and Randy Gregory's been popped with 4 games, so we've got no idea if Gregory is committed to playing football or getting high. So it's really Joey Bosa, or on draft day, trade down in the draft (most likely with San Fransisco if a QB slips to 4) Yes I had started one with the Eagles at #1 So I need to do it over. If anything Bosa is less likely to go to the Pokes as with Goff Wentz gone 1-2 I could see the Bolts take Tunsil leaving Jack, Elliot and Ramsey as possible picks for the Cowboys. Personally I like Buckner better than Bosa as well |
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Post by Guns n Guitars on Apr 17, 2016 15:56:11 GMT -5
I have the Cowboys drafting Joey Bosa DE from Ohio State with their first round pick.
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Post by Guns n Guitars on Apr 17, 2016 15:58:22 GMT -5
Gil Brandt thinks there is so little difference over picks 16-50 to not even try to list them in order. He may well be right. Gil Brandt is one of the best talent evaluators in NFL history. |
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Post by Swamp Dragon on Apr 18, 2016 11:48:33 GMT -5
Gil Brandt thinks there is so little difference over picks 16-50 to not even try to list them in order. He may well be right. Gil Brandt is one of the best talent evaluators in NFL history.Emphasis on history  |
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