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Post by Zig on Jun 2, 2014 8:14:17 GMT -5
I'll wait until more facts come out but I'm seeing more and more articles like this...Anyway it's an interesting and important subject imo. ------------------------- I am writing this because last night I heard Fox News’ Harris Faulkner refer to Army SGT Bowe Bergdahl as a local hero. I just listened to Bergdahl’s father refer to his son’s character. So, we must have a discussion of the truth here. Army SGT Bergdahl was not “captured” by the enemy in 2009. He abandoned his assigned post on his Forward Operating Base (FOB), leaving his weapon. Several U.S. Army Soldiers lost their lives in search for Bergdahl. His disappearance can only be classified as desertion and the media must not be so giddy about a good news story that they don’t tell the truth — which is apparent to many. The allegation of desertion is serious. It is grave because it occurred during a war, during combat operations. The U.S. Army must uphold proper order and discipline and this allegation must be investigated — but the truth is already known. I believe the liberal media will attempt to elevate him to some type of status that will cause the Army not to pursue the right direction under the Uniform Code of Military Justice (UCMJ). We who have served in Iraq, Afghanistan, and other combat areas of operation against radical Islamists know they don’t hold our troops — they are savagely and brutally murdered. They exist to kill Americans. Are we glad that Bergdahl is home? After five years, yes, but there are many unanswered questions that cannot be dismissed because of emotions. As well, America has now negotiated with terrorists, because the Taliban is not a nation-state, it is a non-state, non-uniform belligerent organization, a terrorist group. This is a dangerous precedent and was done unilaterally by President Obama. How many of our troops lost their lives and sacrificed to capture those five senior Taliban leaders? All for naught. I must admit, the only way I would have released these barbarians would have been once a tracking chip/device had been implanted — without their knowledge. I believe there are long-term ramifications that will result from the release of these five terrorists — there was a reason why the Afghan Taliban demanded these five. And why would we enter into brokerage with Qatar, a supporter of the Muslim Brotherhood? I believe we should see them for who they are and cease our air operations from that country. We all know how the media works — hence why Obama made this move over the weekend, on Saturday, as a matter of fact. The belief is that we will cease paying attention to the story by middle of this week. But we cannot. Bergdahl is home, but emotions cannot allow us to abandon our senses, as he abandoned his post. Some of you may have forgotten something similar happening during the Clinton administration in the Balkans. I went back and found this in the New York Times by Susan Sachs, May 2, 1999: Three American soldiers held captive for more than a month were released today and handed over to the Rev. Jesse L. Jackson for their trip home. On Saturday President Slobodan Milosevic of Yugoslavia agreed to free the Americans after a lobbying effort by Mr. Jackson that was not sanctioned by United States officials. The soldiers, who were captured March 31, said they had no ill will toward the Yugoslav people and were treated well. Staff Sgt. Christopher J. Stone also said he was thankful for the gesture of goodwill. He and the other soldiers, Staff Sgt. Andrew A. Ramirez and Specialist Steven M. Gonzales, then joined Mr. Jackson for the trip home. After winning Mr. Milosevic’s promise on Sunday to release the men, Mr. Jackson urged NATO to reciprocate by immediately halting further air strikes and opening negotiations on Kosovo. Of course, the question back then by those of us in the military was, how did these guys get captured and not fire off a single shot or make a radio call for reinforcements? They were taken along with their HMMWV gun truck. The dirty little secret was that they were somewhere they should not have been. Bottom line, there is always more to the story than what some want you to know — but in the case of Army SGT Bowe Bergdahl, there is a lot to know. The question is, will we allow the typical sound bite liberal media to direct us away from seeking the truth? allenbwest.com/2014/06/objective-military-assessment-bowe-bergdahl-case/
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Post by Zig on Jun 2, 2014 8:49:26 GMT -5
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Post by BHR on Jun 2, 2014 12:17:40 GMT -5
This will be interesting. This guy has to know something
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Post by OXlodge on Jun 3, 2014 8:15:29 GMT -5
This whole 5 for 1 exchange smells like horse shit. I heard Obama is working on a deal for the Marine in Mexico. IN exchange, Obama is going to give Mexico Texas.
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Post by The Bag on Jun 3, 2014 8:16:05 GMT -5
This whole 5 for 1 exchange smells like horse shit. I heard Obama is working on a deal for the Marine in Mexico. IN exchange, Obama is going to give Mexico Texas. nah, just a terrorist to be named later.
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Post by OXlodge on Jun 3, 2014 8:23:06 GMT -5
This whole 5 for 1 exchange smells like horse shit. I heard Obama is working on a deal for the Marine in Mexico. IN exchange, Obama is going to give Mexico Texas. nah, just a terrorist to be named later. This guy walked off the base without his weapon or anything else. He had sent his father emails prior to this complaining about the US and what they were doing in Afg. 6 soldiers lives were lost trying to find this guy and we give up 5 high level Talibans for him. Then his long bearded father speaks to him in Taliban language from the White House standing next to Obama. This stinks like shit in all directions! By the way, my info comes to me from those who served with him when he left and they are pissed and want him to answer for his actions. Soldiers were ambushed and killed following leads looking for him.
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Post by down38str8 on Jun 3, 2014 8:25:21 GMT -5
This whole 5 for 1 exchange smells like horse shit. I heard Obama is working on a deal for the Marine in Mexico. IN exchange, Obama is going to give Mexico Texas. I figured it out on the way in from work hearing the latest round of embarrassing revelations. How many people are talking VA scandal now? This was a tragic attempt to prove he loves the troops and do whatever it takes... The guy released a pol pot wannabe responsible THOUSANDS of civilian deaths for a guy that his own service mate called "at best a deserter, at worst a traitor" Oh...and it was 100% illegal for him to release anyone from Gitmo without congressional approval. Is NOW the time he finally gets brought up on abuse of power charges? And everyone's favorite puppet, Susan Rice? "Bergdahl served with honor and distinction" That woman is fucking evil, without a shred of a moral compass....or profoundly stupid...
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Post by The Bag on Jun 3, 2014 8:25:51 GMT -5
nah, just a terrorist to be named later. This guy walked off the base without his weapon or anything else. He had sent his father emails prior to this complaining about the US and what they were doing in Afg. 6 soldiers lives were lost trying to find this guy and we give up 5 high level Talibans for him. Then his long bearded father speaks to him in Taliban language from the White House standing next to Obama. This stinks like shit in all directions! By the way, my info comes to me from those who served with him when he left and they are pissed and want him to answer for his actions. Soldiers were ambushed and killed following leads looking for him. the dad speaking taliban, meh. terrorists are smarter than to blow their cover on tv next to the president. im still blown away by the "we dont negotiate with terrorists" being ignored.
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Post by redsoxworrld on Jun 3, 2014 8:27:05 GMT -5
nah, just a terrorist to be named later. This guy walked off the base without his weapon or anything else. He had sent his father emails prior to this complaining about the US and what they were doing in Afg. 6 soldiers lives were lost trying to find this guy and we give up 5 high level Talibans for him. Then his long bearded father speaks to him in Taliban language from the White House standing next to Obama. This stinks like shit in all directions! By the way, my info comes to me from those who served with him when he left and they are pissed and want him to answer for his actions. Soldiers were ambushed and killed following leads looking for him. you see his father's tweet? “I am still working to free all Guantanamo prisoners,” the tweet said, according to various screen grabs. The tweet was subsequently deleted. “God will repay for the death of every Afghan child, ameen.”
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Post by Deleted on Jun 3, 2014 8:28:55 GMT -5
abuse of power is a bit of a stretch down
he basically gave the taliban their starting lineup back...sickens me...sent them home angier hating america even more...
but theres probably more to this than you or i or anyone knows
and no, im not defending him
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Post by down38str8 on Jun 3, 2014 9:12:48 GMT -5
abuse of power is a bit of a stretch down he basically gave the taliban their starting lineup back...sickens me...sent them home angier hating america even more... but theres probably more to this than you or i or anyone knows and no, im not defending him No its not rock...he signed the frigging law requiring congressional approval to free gitmo prisoners...and then released 5 without congressional approval citing "executive privilege". Textbook abuse of power...
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Post by Deleted on Jun 3, 2014 9:14:27 GMT -5
abuse of power is a bit of a stretch down he basically gave the taliban their starting lineup back...sickens me...sent them home angier hating america even more... but theres probably more to this than you or i or anyone knows and no, im not defending him No its not rock...he signed the frigging law requiring congressional approval to free gitmo prisoners...and then released 5 without congressional approval citing "executive privilege". Textbook abuse of power... then where is the "abuse of power" outcries? yes, people are pissed about the release...but ive heard nothing about "abuse of power" aside from hardcore republicans who do this same schtick if he doesnt wash his hands after he pisses.
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Post by OXlodge on Jun 3, 2014 9:15:26 GMT -5
Release 5 of these nut bags back into the world that are hell bent on killing Americans.
Obama does it again.
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Post by down38str8 on Jun 3, 2014 9:18:24 GMT -5
No its not rock...he signed the frigging law requiring congressional approval to free gitmo prisoners...and then released 5 without congressional approval citing "executive privilege". Textbook abuse of power... then where is the "abuse of power" outcries? yes, people are pissed about the release...but ive heard nothing about "abuse of power" aside from hardcore republicans who do this same schtick if he doesnt wash his hands after he pisses. People are stupid and uninformed and latch on to the headline without reading the context... There's plenty of outrage over it...just about every GOP lawmaker, and Dems in swing states, are on record saying it was illegal...will they act on it? We'll see...
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Post by Deleted on Jun 3, 2014 9:23:40 GMT -5
then where is the "abuse of power" outcries? yes, people are pissed about the release...but ive heard nothing about "abuse of power" aside from hardcore republicans who do this same schtick if he doesnt wash his hands after he pisses. People are stupid and uninformed and latch on to the headline without reading the context... There's plenty of outrage over it...just about every GOP lawmaker, and Dems in swing states, are on record saying it was illegal...will they act on it? We'll see... thats the thing down if it WERE as huge a deal...an egregious abuse of power, thats ALL we'd hear about...not the release, but the illegality of his abuse of power. ive heard next to nothing. time will tell
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Post by down38str8 on Jun 3, 2014 9:31:40 GMT -5
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Post by b1ake on Jun 3, 2014 9:40:05 GMT -5
How retarded is that?
Secret Agent Man: We're in contact with an organization that's holding a soldier of ours captive. They'd like to do an exchange for some Gitmo prisoners.
Secret Agent Man's Boss: Get their list so that I can get it submitted to Congress and tell them we'll get back to them in 30 days.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 3, 2014 9:44:32 GMT -5
down, thats exactly it why would i have to hunt and search for "public outcry"...thats kind of counter-intuitive. im just not hearing it anywhere...and having to hunt for public outcry of abuse of power doesnt make sense to me
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Post by Deleted on Jun 3, 2014 9:45:18 GMT -5
"2 republican lawmakers" isnt public outcry down
WASHINGTON (AP) — Two Republican lawmakers on Saturday accused President Barack Obama of breaking the law by approving the release of five Afghan detainees held at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, in exchange for a U.S. soldier believed held by Islamist insurgents for five years.
thats one of your links opening sentences
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Post by bigddude on Jun 3, 2014 9:49:00 GMT -5
down, thats exactly it why would i have to hunt and search for "public outcry"...thats kind of counter-intuitive. im just not hearing it anywhere...and having to hunt for public outcry of abuse of power doesnt make sense to me I guess it is that much harder to get worked up about the ills of Govt, when all of your time and energy is spent just trying to keep your financial head above water, and, trying to keep the lights on for another month.
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Post by down38str8 on Jun 3, 2014 9:51:57 GMT -5
down, thats exactly it why would i have to hunt and search for "public outcry"...thats kind of counter-intuitive. im just not hearing it anywhere...and having to hunt for public outcry of abuse of power doesnt make sense to me I guess it is that much harder to get worked up about the ills of Govt, when all of your time and energy is spent just trying to keep your financial head above water, and, trying to keep the lights on for another month. and duck dynasty is on... people react to the news they are fed...some of us choose to go to extra lengths to get the full story...most people aren't interested enough to bother...this doesn't make it any less illegal rock... There's no public outcry, because? There is virtually no major media outlet with balls enough to call it what it is...
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Post by Deleted on Jun 3, 2014 9:53:56 GMT -5
down, thats exactly it why would i have to hunt and search for "public outcry"...thats kind of counter-intuitive. im just not hearing it anywhere...and having to hunt for public outcry of abuse of power doesnt make sense to me I guess it is that much harder to get worked up about the ills of Govt, when all of your time and energy is spent just trying to keep your financial head above water, and, trying to keep the lights on for another month. like i said, one of your links started with "2 republican lawmakers accused obama of illegally..." 2 down 2 republicans not public outcry thats all
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Post by b1ake on Jun 3, 2014 9:56:13 GMT -5
"Obama didn't wait the required thirty days before he got a US soldier released!?!? That's illegal" - People looking to be upset
"Obama waited an extra thirty days before he got a US soldier released because of what!?!? Why did he wait? That's our soldier. He's such a pussy failure" - People Looking to be upset
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Post by OXlodge on Jun 3, 2014 9:58:29 GMT -5
We're not supposed to negotiate with terrorists either. And we had to release 5 terrorists who feed on killing Americans. You think they promised they were going to stop?
And some of you nut jobs are defending this?
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Post by b1ake on Jun 3, 2014 10:00:19 GMT -5
We're not supposed to negotiate with terrorists either. And we had to release 5 terrorists who feed on killing Americans. You think they promised they were going to stop? And some of you nut jobs are defending this? Sure, we're not supposed to...Has that ever stopped us? Nope. If we have something to gain, we'll make it work...Always been that way...We'll go through Sweden if need be to avoid direct negotiations to save face... No defense necessary...
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Post by Deleted on Jun 3, 2014 10:00:26 GMT -5
The "Public" isn't educated enough to know how fucking wrong Obama is. agreed, the masses are asses...but my pint remains 2 republican lawmakers, who question when obama farts...doesnt constitute "egregious abuse of power" is what he did shady? perhaps. it sickens me as an american...but abuse of power? until i other than republicans mention it...mainstrem public outcry...its not abuse of power, to me. its perceived as such, but truly isnt...until it becomes such in the eyes of the voting public
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Post by redsoxworrld on Jun 3, 2014 10:00:32 GMT -5
why is everyone so worried? Those released prisoners all promised, pinky sweared maybe, to not leave Qatar for a year
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Post by down38str8 on Jun 3, 2014 10:02:54 GMT -5
I guess it is that much harder to get worked up about the ills of Govt, when all of your time and energy is spent just trying to keep your financial head above water, and, trying to keep the lights on for another month. like i said, one of your links started with "2 republican lawmakers accused obama of illegally..." 2 down 2 republicans not public outcry thats all How many does it take? it's illegal rock...plain and simple...I haven't suggested a "public outcry", in fact...I provided reasoning as to why there hasn't been one...
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Post by Deleted on Jun 3, 2014 10:03:36 GMT -5
We're not supposed to negotiate with terrorists either. And we had to release 5 terrorists who feed on killing Americans. You think they promised they were going to stop? And some of you nut jobs are defending this? what am i defending? ive said in english 3 times in not defending anyone between yesterday and today
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Post by OXlodge on Jun 3, 2014 10:03:39 GMT -5
Nice to see the long bearded father speaking Taliban at the White House. I'm sure these guys are going to spend 365 days in Qatar....rehabilitating their lives. Maybe convert to Christianity.
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