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Post by Swamp Dragon on May 15, 2015 12:10:25 GMT -5
Let's see if the Chatter gang think the Pats lawyers are earning their keep
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Post by Swamp Dragon on May 15, 2015 12:21:55 GMT -5
If you vote A you are probably not a Patriots fan
If you vote B you are a Pats homer who believes every thing that comes out of their spin doctor/lawyers mouths at 1 Gillette Place
If you vote C you are a cynical Pats fan who hopes that they can come up with a better alternate defense for the nickname
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Post by Swamp Dragon on May 15, 2015 13:24:33 GMT -5
Patriots fan sites says they didn't do it, therefore they didn't do it. Of course they also believe that man didn't land on the moon. Elvis is alive. Oswald acted alone |
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Post by EWA Beach PGH Fan on May 15, 2015 17:00:02 GMT -5
Patriots fan sites says they didn't do it, therefore they didn't do it. Of course they also believe that man didn't land on the moon. Elvis is alive. Oswald acted alone Grassy Knoll! |
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Post by Swamp Dragon on May 15, 2015 18:48:34 GMT -5
Of course they also believe that man didn't land on the moon. Elvis is alive. Oswald acted alone Grassy Knoll! Not a Pats fan |
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Post by Swamp Dragon on May 15, 2015 18:52:20 GMT -5
Not a Kennedy fan either for that matter |
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Post by EWA Beach PGH Fan on May 16, 2015 8:10:33 GMT -5
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Post by EWA Beach PGH Fan on May 16, 2015 8:13:10 GMT -5
Kennedy was before my time so I never had the chance to be a fan which is sad.
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Post by Swamp Dragon on May 16, 2015 9:24:53 GMT -5
Kennedy was before my time so I never had the chance to be a fan which is sad. I was implying that the grassy knoll was not a Pats fan nor a JFK fan either |
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Post by Canuck eh? on May 16, 2015 9:32:42 GMT -5
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Post by dyhard on May 16, 2015 12:03:38 GMT -5
How many people are you going to throw under the bus because you can't stick to your word? Do like you said you would, Robert Kraft, and " accept the findings of the report and take the appropriate actions based on those finding as well as any discipline levied by the league." This kind of hypocritical backtracking is classless, disgraceful and does nothing to repair the credibility or reputation of your organization. you can tell he doesn't give a shit about any of this except that losing 4 games without Tom Brady at QB hurts the team and could cause them to go 0-4 in that stretch. he has to pay $1m to the league, loses 2 draft picks, loses revenue, the organization is already effected negatively by this. it's not good in any way you look at this and he's mad because he's losing money. he doesn't care about class or grace, he wants $$ and he wants to win |
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Post by Swamp Dragon on May 16, 2015 12:31:32 GMT -5
How many people are you going to throw under the bus because you can't stick to your word? Do like you said you would, Robert Kraft, and " accept the findings of the report and take the appropriate actions based on those finding as well as any discipline levied by the league." This kind of hypocritical backtracking is classless, disgraceful and does nothing to repair the credibility or reputation of your organization. you can tell he doesn't give a shit about any of this except that losing 4 games without Tom Brady at QB hurts the team and could cause them to go 0-4 in that stretch. he has to pay $1m to the league, loses 2 draft picks, loses revenue, the organization is already effected negatively by this. it's not good in any way you look at this and he's mad because he's losing money. he doesn't care about class or grace, he wants $$ and he wants to win Their share of the shared revenue is almost 200M per season so they give their interest for half a month to pay the fine It ain't the money cause they damn well print it. It's all about getting an advantage not much different than spygate and who knows what they aren't getting caught doing |
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Post by Swamp Dragon on May 16, 2015 12:35:46 GMT -5
Karlos Dansby claims the Patriots fucked with the Arizona Cardinals headsets when they played in Foxboro back in 2008. More investigations, fines, suspensions and loss of draft picks to follow. The statute of limitations would have expired by now just like the human statue Byron Leftwich |
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Post by Swamp Dragon on May 16, 2015 13:36:57 GMT -5
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Post by aka50yearfan on May 16, 2015 14:01:07 GMT -5
Well, maybe the Patriots are just trying protect McNally as he goes through his weight loss program and that is why they refused letting him talk with Wells again.
"When Wells investigators requested another interview, the Patriots refused for two reasons: (1) McNally and his family had endured media harassment as a result of leaks regarding his name and hometown;"
Regardless, this is just the kind of stuff that happens when a pro sport has a commissioner who was not a team owner previously and he brings in an independent investigator. The "Rog Must Go" crowd will be loud as this will become all his fault.
Now you know why baseball made Bud Selig, an ex owner, the " commissioner" of MLB.
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Post by aka50yearfan on May 16, 2015 14:25:35 GMT -5
It is really no more complicated than this-
Those messages and phone calls from Brady to the " Ball Boys" would either completely exonerate Brady from any of this completely, or implicate him totally. He chose to not turn them over.
A second interview, as was requested, with McNally would have tied all the pieces together one way or another. the Patriots chose to not allow that interview.
When you have nothing to hide and are seeking the facts, then you hide nothing. Period. Brady and the Patriots had, and still have, every opportunity for the facts to come out, but they choose to do the lawyer up routine.
No reasonable person doubts the Wells report. What it all means is the real question. Does every team do it? Is it now just part of the game after Peyton and Brady got the league to change the old rules for game balls? That kind of stuff.
Swamp Dragon is correct in my opinion-" Tom, you should have owned it."
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Post by aka50yearfan on May 16, 2015 14:34:35 GMT -5
Well, maybe the Patriots are just trying protect McNally as he goes through his weight loss program and that is why they refused letting him talk with Wells again. "When Wells investigators requested another interview, the Patriots refused for two reasons: (1) McNally and his family had endured media harassment as a result of leaks regarding his name and hometown;" Regardless, this is just the kind of stuff that happens when a pro sport has a commissioner who was not a team owner previously and he brings in an independent investigator. The "Rog Must Go" crowd will be loud as this will become all his fault. Now you know why baseball made Bud Selig, an ex owner, the " commissioner" of MLB. I don't think it's necessary to be a former owner in order to be a quality commissioner. Paul Tagliabue was the man, and he never owned a sports franchise. But I definitely agree with anyone who says it's time for a new commissioner. Goodell has some serious PR flaws. No. I was being sarcastic. I think Selig is the worst " commissioner" in the history of sport. He was a puppet for the 30 owners from day one. That is why he was given the job. total conflict of interest and it showed. Look at the trades he allowed that any real commissioner would never have approved. Goodell is the best thing that ever happened to the NFL owners. He literally made them billions with that last CBA. The push by Kraft in the future to get rid of him will draw resistance from the other owners. The league has grown financially beyond any of their wildest dreams under Goodell and money doesn't talk, it screams. Goodell doen't have serious PR flaws, that is the flaws of the owners reflecting through his office. He is not the one who drafts and signs and provides cover for the " characters" that too often make their way on to NFL rosters. It is the owners who would give a contract to Charles Manson if they thought he could win them a SB. |
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Post by Canuck eh? on May 16, 2015 15:43:25 GMT -5
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Post by EWA Beach PGH Fan on May 17, 2015 3:05:20 GMT -5
HA! All the Pats fans will sign up in a heartbeat. |
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Post by aka50yearfan on May 17, 2015 7:34:28 GMT -5
I know the first reaction of Pats fans is to look at this like it was a court trial and apply those standards. Well, it isn't a court trial and those rules do not apply. No one was arrested and indicted or any of those things.
The NFL is a Franchise and a business and like any business it can deal with it's employees internally and unless some federal law has been violated, then it is final. that is the starting point that people have to understand and then go forward with reaction.
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Post by EWA Beach PGH Fan on May 17, 2015 8:47:11 GMT -5
Kennedy was before my time so I never had the chance to be a fan which is sad. I was implying that the grassy knoll was not a Pats fan nor a JFK fan either Ah, true. |
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Post by Canuck eh? on May 17, 2015 10:34:25 GMT -5
I know the first reaction of Pats fans is to look at this like it was a court trial and apply those standards. Well, it isn't a court trial and those rules do not apply. No one was arrested and indicted or any of those things. The NFL is a Franchise and a business and like any business it can deal with it's employees internally and unless some federal law has been violated, then it is final. that is the starting point that people have to understand and then go forward with reaction. Good point 50. |
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Post by Swamp Dragon on May 17, 2015 11:07:39 GMT -5
I know the first reaction of Pats fans is to look at this like it was a court trial and apply those standards. Well, it isn't a court trial and those rules do not apply. No one was arrested and indicted or any of those things. The NFL is a Franchise and a business and like any business it can deal with it's employees internally and unless some federal law has been violated, then it is final. that is the starting point that people have to understand and then go forward with reaction. Thanks 50 you wrote that so that even Pats fans will understand it |
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Post by Swamp Dragon on May 17, 2015 11:28:37 GMT -5
Don't encourage them. Only a true maroon would donate $12 to a multimillionaire playing games for a multibillionaire. Yet won't give a dime for cancer research or the sheltering of homeless children or .... |
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Post by Swamp Dragon on May 17, 2015 11:31:25 GMT -5
I know the first reaction of Pats fans is to look at this like it was a court trial and apply those standards. Well, it isn't a court trial and those rules do not apply. No one was arrested and indicted or any of those things. The NFL is a Franchise and a business and like any business it can deal with it's employees internally and unless some federal law has been violated, then it is final. that is the starting point that people have to understand and then go forward with reaction. Thanks 50 you wrote that so that even Pats fans will understand it Cause my replies sure weren't doing it |
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Post by aka50yearfan on May 17, 2015 14:57:28 GMT -5
Thanks 50 you wrote that so that even Pats fans will understand it Cause my replies sure weren't doing it And neither will my most salient point. But it is the way of it all. An NFL player is an employee by choice, and an owner is an owner of a Franchise controlled by the League Office. Not one bit different than McDonalds or Burger King or any of them. You have a Union however, but a Union can only have influence and say when it believes the contract has been violated. It cannot make up new rules unilaterally. Past practice is the only argument the NFLPA could attempt to make in arbitration and I do not believe there is precedence for this issue. It is NOT the same as some player slapping his pregnant girl friend around. those things are outside the game. This is about the game itself. Apples/Oranges. Right or wrong no matter what one thinks, that is the way it is. This whole Kraft crying it is only " circumstantial " evidence against Brady is sophomoric. Stupidly silly. Prisons are filled to overflowing with people there only because of circumstantial evidence. |
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Post by Otis B. Driftwood on May 17, 2015 18:01:36 GMT -5
Kennedy was before my time so I never had the chance to be a fan which is sad. I was implying that the grassy knoll was not a Pats fan nor a JFK fan either .Nor an Oswald fan either. |
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Post by Swamp Dragon on May 17, 2015 18:11:47 GMT -5
Cause my replies sure weren't doing it And neither will my most salient point. But it is the way of it all. An NFL player is an employee by choice, and an owner is an owner of a Franchise controlled by the League Office. Not one bit different than McDonalds or Burger King or any of them. You have a Union however, but a Union can only have influence and say when it believes the contract has been violated. It cannot make up new rules unilaterally. Past practice is the only argument the NFLPA could attempt to make in arbitration and I do not believe there is precedence for this issue. It is NOT the same as some player slapping his pregnant girl friend around. those things are outside the game. This is about the game itself. Apples/Oranges. Right or wrong no matter what one thinks, that is the way it is. This whole Kraft crying it is only " circumstantial " evidence against Brady is sophomoric. Stupidly silly. Prisons are filled to overflowing with people there only because of circumstantial evidence.
And if Pats fans don't believe that they should send Aaron Hernandez $81 to Free Hernandez |
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Post by Swamp Dragon on May 17, 2015 18:14:46 GMT -5
I was implying that the grassy knoll was not a Pats fan nor a JFK fan either .Nor an Oswald fan either. That could be argued. He definitely was their favorite patsy |
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Post by Swamp Dragon on May 20, 2015 1:20:41 GMT -5
So Kraft has decided that the Pats will take their deflategate penalties dry
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