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Post by tigertowner 68 on Mar 2, 2015 19:41:27 GMT -5
Well Otis, this is but the most recent exhibit (oh, probably #823 or something) why your team has the history that it has. And my team has the history that it does. The Lions management could have a diamond fall in the middle of a team meeting. They'd take a vote amongst themselves (consensus driven group that they are), and agree that the thing is too damn shiny and trade it in for a lump of coal. It is bigger, right? And it is not shining in our eyes... Well... look at the bright side.
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Post by Otis B. Driftwood on Mar 2, 2015 20:48:17 GMT -5
David Moore (Dallas Morning News beat writer for the Cowboys and one of the best in the business) had a take on the Dez/D. Thomas franchise tags this afternoon that makes a ton of sense to me. You have Megatron at the top of the salary food chain - then you have Mike Wallace. Dez, D. Thomas and Julio Jones are all three better than that useless bag of nothing Wallace.
And - they all need contracts.
And - none of them are going anywhere.
So... this is "setting the market" time. It's reasonable to expect all three of them to get around the same amount at about the same length of deal. Only questions are who's first and what that benchmark is. Any other commentary about character and questionable off-the-field "things" is pretty much superfluous BS.
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Post by tigertowner 68 on Mar 2, 2015 21:05:13 GMT -5
David Moore (Dallas Morning News beat writer for the Cowboys and one of the best in the business) had a take on the Dez/D. Thomas franchise tags this afternoon that makes a ton of sense to me. You have Megatron at the top of the salary food chain - then you have Mike Wallace. Dez, D. Thomas and Julio Jones are all three better than that useless bag of nothing Wallace. And - they all need contracts. And - none of them are going anywhere. So... this is "setting the market" time. It's reasonable to expect all three of them to get around the same amount at about the same length of deal. Only questions are who's first and what that benchmark is. Any other commentary about character and questionable off-the-field "things" is pretty much superfluous BS. Thomas is the best i.m.o. Had a really rough upbringing. Mother was convicted along with her mother Minnie Pearl (not the famous performer). They were selling crack out of D's mother's house in GA. Mom was loyal to Demaryius ' grandmother Minnie. Could have got off copping a plea but would not testify against Minnie. Demaryius took years to even finally forgive his mom. Finally did so. Is now a "devout" Christian. I am not one to cast stones but we know how this often does not work out. That said, Thomas sure appears to be a non-diva (see Terrell Owens, Chad Ochocinco, etc) receiver. I hate diva anythings... Dez is next because he is more durable than Julio, but he is a ticking bomb i.m.o. That said, he may tick and keep ticking without blowing up until he starts receding as a talent. Wallace is all the negatives with little or no upside. I think that if you need a WR, take and value in this order... 1) Demaryius Thomas 2) Dez Bryant 3) Julio Jones Wallace? Wouldn't give you a used CFL ball for him.
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Post by Otis B. Driftwood on Mar 2, 2015 21:17:25 GMT -5
David Moore (Dallas Morning News beat writer for the Cowboys and one of the best in the business) had a take on the Dez/D. Thomas franchise tags this afternoon that makes a ton of sense to me. You have Megatron at the top of the salary food chain - then you have Mike Wallace. Dez, D. Thomas and Julio Jones are all three better than that useless bag of nothing Wallace. And - they all need contracts. And - none of them are going anywhere. So... this is "setting the market" time. It's reasonable to expect all three of them to get around the same amount at about the same length of deal. Only questions are who's first and what that benchmark is. Any other commentary about character and questionable off-the-field "things" is pretty much superfluous BS. Thomas is the best i.m.o. Had a really rough upbringing. Mother was convicted along with her mother Minnie Pearl (not the famous performer). They were selling crack out of D's mother's house in GA. Mom was loyal to Demaryius ' grandmother Minnie. Could have got off copping a plea but would not testify against Minnie. Demaryius took years to even finally forgive his mom. Finally did so. Is now a "devout" Christian. I am not one to cast stones but we know how this often does not work out. That said, Thomas sure appears to be a non-diva (see Terrell Owens, Chad Ochocinco, etc) receiver. I hate diva anythings... Dez is next because he is more durable than Julio, but he is a ticking bomb i.m.o. That said, he may tick and keep ticking without blowing up until he starts receding as a talent. Wallace is all the negatives with little or no upside. I think that if you need a WR, take and value in this order... 1) Demaryius Thomas 2) Dez Bryant 3) Julio Jones Wallace? Wouldn't give you a used CFL ball for him. Sounds like Thomas and Bryant had the same momma.
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Post by tigertowner 68 on Mar 2, 2015 21:28:21 GMT -5
Thomas is the best i.m.o. Had a really rough upbringing. Mother was convicted along with her mother Minnie Pearl (not the famous performer). They were selling crack out of D's mother's house in GA. Mom was loyal to Demaryius ' grandmother Minnie. Could have got off copping a plea but would not testify against Minnie. Demaryius took years to even finally forgive his mom. Finally did so. Is now a "devout" Christian. I am not one to cast stones but we know how this often does not work out. That said, Thomas sure appears to be a non-diva (see Terrell Owens, Chad Ochocinco, etc) receiver. I hate diva anythings... Dez is next because he is more durable than Julio, but he is a ticking bomb i.m.o. That said, he may tick and keep ticking without blowing up until he starts receding as a talent. Wallace is all the negatives with little or no upside. I think that if you need a WR, take and value in this order... 1) Demaryius Thomas 2) Dez Bryant 3) Julio Jones Wallace? Wouldn't give you a used CFL ball for him. Sounds like Thomas and Bryant had the same momma. No shit...don't know much about Dez' folks.
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Post by Otis B. Driftwood on Mar 2, 2015 21:42:03 GMT -5
Sounds like Thomas and Bryant had the same momma. No shit...don't know much about Dez' folks. No dad... Mom did time... Lived with his grandma but his dad's were his football coaches.... I'll see if I can find one of the articles that came out when he was drafted. It sounds like he and Thomas had pretty much the same obstacles to overcome.
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Post by Otis B. Driftwood on Mar 2, 2015 21:55:56 GMT -5
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Post by dyhard on Mar 2, 2015 23:18:53 GMT -5
Randall Cobb and Bryan Bulaga become free agents. I see the Packers signing Bulaga, really a big piece on their o-line. I don't know about Cobb but I'd be surprised if they didn't get him back either. they really aren't big players when it comes to free agency so I'm not expecting anything this off-season, usually pretty quiet for GB until the draft
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Post by dyhard on Mar 3, 2015 0:44:02 GMT -5
and Packers are coming thru $33 million under cap, so plenty room to re-sign Cobb & Bulaga
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Post by dyhard on Mar 3, 2015 1:04:06 GMT -5
but Cobb wants $12/year, I don't think he's getting that in GB. $10/year or more imo, probably will go to Jax or Oakland cuz I bet they're willing to pay $12/year
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Post by Otis B. Driftwood on Mar 3, 2015 7:50:11 GMT -5
Randall Cobb and Bryan Bulaga become free agents. I see the Packers signing Bulaga, really a big piece on their o-line. I don't know about Cobb but I'd be surprised if they didn't get him back either. they really aren't big players when it comes to free agency so I'm not expecting anything this off-season, usually pretty quiet for GB until the draft One of those things that gets left unsaid... if a player likes his scene then the team and he can usually find a way to make it work. I never got the impression that Buluga was going anywhere. Of course - he could be money-whipped... but that isn't how I read the kid.
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Post by Otis B. Driftwood on Mar 3, 2015 8:09:12 GMT -5
but Cobb wants $12/year, I don't think he's getting that in GB. $10/year or more imo, probably will go to Jax or Oakland cuz I bet they're willing to pay $12/year Cobb is going to be an interesting player in how much Dez and Demaryius get paid me thinks. You can make a legitimate argument that Cobb is in the same "skill tier" as those two (guarantee they will when negotiations start). David Moore elaborated on his radio comments yesterday in his column this morning in the Dallas Morning News. Some good stuff to digest here... and it's all about the marketplace. "...Neither (Bryant or Thomas) will top the seven-year, $113.4 million contract Calvin Johnson signed with Detroit a few years ago, a deal that provides $48.7 million in guaranteed money. Here’s the problem.
Discard the contract length and total for a moment. Focus on guaranteed money.
Miami’s Mike Wallace is second among receivers with $30 million in guarantees. Tampa Bay’s Vincent Jackson falls in line after him at $26 million.
That’s quite a gap. Bryant and Thomas will argue — and rightfully so — that they should be closer to Johnson on this scale than Wallace or Jackson.
Bryant and Thomas are tied at the financial hip going forward. The receiver who steps out and signs a deal first will establish the parameters for the other and for Atlanta’s Julio Jones, who could find himself in the same position this time next year."Dallas Morning NewsPersonally - I think Cobb plays an important part in what Bryant and Thomas get. If someone (say - Oakland with their available cap space) were to throw a huge contract with around $35-38M in guaranteed money at Cobb, then it stands to reason both Dez and Demaryius are going to want more. If on the other hand he takes a hometown discount and around $28-30M, then he still affects Dez and Demaryius except the guaanteed money is more than Wallace but still less than $35M. Just speculation... but you see where this goes. Your hero Cobb is going to be an important piece of this offseason puzzle in my uneducated eye.
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Post by Otis B. Driftwood on Mar 3, 2015 8:23:16 GMT -5
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Post by BHR on Mar 3, 2015 8:27:20 GMT -5
Andre Johnson is now available.
Texans told him he would get about 40 passes and he told them to go fuck themselves.
They are looking to trade him or will release him if no partner is found
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Post by Swamp Dragon on Mar 3, 2015 16:32:40 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Mar 3, 2015 18:53:21 GMT -5
Eagles trade Lesean McCoy to Buffalo for Kiko Alonso.
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Post by Swamp Dragon on Mar 3, 2015 19:04:12 GMT -5
Eagles trade Lesean McCoy to Buffalo for Kiko Alonso. WOW The Eagles didn't want to pay 11M to Shady and Alonzo is coming back from ACL and goes to play for his college coach in Kelly
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Post by Deleted on Mar 3, 2015 19:38:12 GMT -5
Eagles trade Lesean McCoy to Buffalo for Kiko Alonso. WOW The Eagles didn't want to pay 11M to Shady and Alonzo is coming back from ACL and goes to play for his college coach in Kelly brony Macho RowDiscuss
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Post by Macho Row on Mar 3, 2015 22:13:39 GMT -5
I once watched an Oregon game. Wonder if that entitles me to a job as well.
Fuck chip kelly.
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Post by Macho Row on Mar 3, 2015 22:16:26 GMT -5
Might as well make it official now. Eagles trade up to get mariotta.
My guess is this years 1!and 2, next years 1 and 3 and possibly Foles.
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Post by Swamp Dragon on Mar 3, 2015 23:17:54 GMT -5
5 days 13 hours 42 minutes
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Post by dyhard on Mar 3, 2015 23:49:05 GMT -5
Randall Cobb and Bryan Bulaga become free agents. I see the Packers signing Bulaga, really a big piece on their o-line. I don't know about Cobb but I'd be surprised if they didn't get him back either. they really aren't big players when it comes to free agency so I'm not expecting anything this off-season, usually pretty quiet for GB until the draft One of those things that gets left unsaid... if a player likes his scene then the team and he can usually find a way to make it work. I never got the impression that Buluga was going anywhere. Of course - he could be money-whipped... but that isn't how I read the kid. Bulaga isn't a money-whipped character, nothing from what I've ever heard/read about him gives me that impression. Cobb on the other hand definitely could be. he's coming off a great season, has tremendous upside as both a returner AND receiver, and wants to get paid more than Jordy Nelson. I don't see that happening, but it definitely could. if he's stuck on his price, he's not going to return. he's already stated he enjoys GB and would like to make himself a home there, but at his price it won't happen. I won't be surprised to see him return for 10.5 a year or a similar contract to Nelson
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Post by dyhard on Mar 3, 2015 23:55:22 GMT -5
but Cobb wants $12/year, I don't think he's getting that in GB. $10/year or more imo, probably will go to Jax or Oakland cuz I bet they're willing to pay $12/year Cobb is going to be an interesting player in how much Dez and Demaryius get paid me thinks. You can make a legitimate argument that Cobb is in the same "skill tier" as those two (guarantee they will when negotiations start). David Moore elaborated on his radio comments yesterday in his column this morning in the Dallas Morning News. Some good stuff to digest here... and it's all about the marketplace. "...Neither (Bryant or Thomas) will top the seven-year, $113.4 million contract Calvin Johnson signed with Detroit a few years ago, a deal that provides $48.7 million in guaranteed money. Here’s the problem.
Discard the contract length and total for a moment. Focus on guaranteed money.
Miami’s Mike Wallace is second among receivers with $30 million in guarantees. Tampa Bay’s Vincent Jackson falls in line after him at $26 million.
That’s quite a gap. Bryant and Thomas will argue — and rightfully so — that they should be closer to Johnson on this scale than Wallace or Jackson.
Bryant and Thomas are tied at the financial hip going forward. The receiver who steps out and signs a deal first will establish the parameters for the other and for Atlanta’s Julio Jones, who could find himself in the same position this time next year."Dallas Morning NewsPersonally - I think Cobb plays an important part in what Bryant and Thomas get. If someone (say - Oakland with their available cap space) were to throw a huge contract with around $35-38M in guaranteed money at Cobb, then it stands to reason both Dez and Demaryius are going to want more. If on the other hand he takes a hometown discount and around $28-30M, then he still affects Dez and Demaryius except the guaanteed money is more than Wallace but still less than $35M. Just speculation... but you see where this goes. Your hero Cobb is going to be an important piece of this offseason puzzle in my uneducated eye. see, it's stupid overpaid contracts to players who aren't worth that much guaranteed is what screws everything up. right now, I see it as V-Jax and Wallace barely are top 10 receivers, probably don't even crack the top 10. Cobb, Nelson, Dez, Calvin, D-Thomas, Julio Jones - they're all guarantee top 10. according to a article I just read, the Packers are fine at WR if Cobb chooses to not return, but the biggest question is if he's willing to take a home-town discount and he hasn't said 1 word on the subject yet from what I've seen. imo, I think he'll take a lesser price to stay in GB but he wants to test the market. I think the main thing his agent is going to say, is that he needs to test the market and set a standard for WR to get paid what they deserve. if he listens to his agent, he won't be in GB and he's going to get $35+ m guaranteed.
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Post by dyhard on Mar 4, 2015 0:07:32 GMT -5
Eagles trade Lesean McCoy to Buffalo for Kiko Alonso. I don't see the point of the trade, other than they don't want to pay McCoy since he's expected to try to negotiate for a higher contract and they're expected to release Trent Cole and want a replacement for him. plus it frees up a little over $10m in cap space for them to spend in free agency
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Post by Swamp Dragon on Mar 4, 2015 0:50:06 GMT -5
Wonder if McCown wishes he signed with the Bills now
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Post by Swamp Dragon on Mar 4, 2015 12:08:46 GMT -5
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Post by dyhard on Mar 4, 2015 12:35:45 GMT -5
Wonder if McCown wishes he signed with the Bills now not after they just traded for Matt Cassel
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Post by dyhard on Mar 4, 2015 12:39:22 GMT -5
ESPN's Matt Williamson thinks Orakpo, Odrick and Raji are good fits in Chicago, thinks Brandon Spikes will come to GB, Iupati, Colon or Hardy are going to Tampa. he has Ingram going to Dallas - doesn't make much sense, as well as Stephen Paea as well as Dawan Landry on Washington's radar.
Packers insider Rob Demovsky thinks they're going to re-sign Cobb, but bring back Davon House over Tramon Williams.
honestly, I'm good with the re-sign of Cobb but I'd feel more comfortable with Williams being brought back than House, but I'm imagining the price difference for both is a factor. don't know what they're asking for - since everything on ESPN requires insider - but I'm assuming it's enough
with regards to Polamalu, I'd ask his ass to retire too, has he done anything recently?
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Post by Swamp Dragon on Mar 4, 2015 12:45:10 GMT -5
Wonder if McCown wishes he signed with the Bills now not after they just traded for Matt Cassel They wouldn't have traded for him if McCown signed
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Post by dyhard on Mar 4, 2015 12:48:32 GMT -5
not after they just traded for Matt Cassel They wouldn't have traded for him if McCown signed true although I'd rather have Cassel but in some more Packer news, Guion agreed to deferred prosecution so he gets off with probation, Demovsky thinks he'll sign in 2 weeks.
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