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Post by bigddude on Jul 28, 2014 13:51:12 GMT -5
And, so much for my prediction for todays Braves / Padres game. Though the Braves won, it was only 2-0, with Jason Lane doing a very fine job for the Padres indeed.
Not the first time I have been wrong today, and certainly not the last...
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Post by Zig on Jul 28, 2014 13:55:13 GMT -5
That makes zero sense to me. Unless, the Dodgers are felling that they need a little middle IF organizational depth in AAA with MLB experience. Even after the Uggla signing, the Giants seem to be a much better fit for Barney. maybe that's why the dodgers are trying to get him...a little "prevent defense" ha ha
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Post by bigddude on Jul 28, 2014 14:02:35 GMT -5
That makes zero sense to me. Unless, the Dodgers are felling that they need a little middle IF organizational depth in AAA with MLB experience. Even after the Uggla signing, the Giants seem to be a much better fit for Barney. maybe that's why the dodgers are trying to get him...a little "prevent defense" ha ha A tried and true tactic, to be sure. HOWEVER, this usually also only occurs when the player being acquired is actually good, and somewhat usefull and needed to the team getting him. In respect to the Dodgers, and thinking of Barney, there is no need for him. As such, I am just left scratching my head here.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2014 14:14:02 GMT -5
Interesting trade by the Dodgers. If they gave back anything remotely good, might be trying to up the market against the Giants.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2014 14:15:46 GMT -5
Should have done that avatar bet BigD! I kid, I would've never accepted.
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Post by bigddude on Jul 28, 2014 14:32:03 GMT -5
Interesting trade by the Dodgers. If they gave back anything remotely good, might be trying to up the market against the Giants. As the quick logic for the move seems to be bench depth, then, maybe there actually is something to The Dodgers getting Barney, just so the Giants can't.
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Post by poprocksncoke on Jul 28, 2014 15:18:48 GMT -5
lol.......
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Post by bigddude on Jul 28, 2014 15:20:51 GMT -5
Former Mets catcher Harry Chiti approves of this happening, if it in fact does.
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Post by redseat on Jul 29, 2014 11:23:24 GMT -5
Former Mets catcher Harry Chiti approves of this happening, if it in fact does. There was one other player that this happen too, no?
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Post by redseat on Jul 29, 2014 11:25:28 GMT -5
A competent defensive catcher with a great ability to handle the knuckleball, Chiti was only 17 years old when he broke in the majors with the Chicago Cubs, making infrequent appearances from 1950 to 1952.
After two years in the military during the Korean War, Chiti returned to Chicago and handled the starting job in 1955, batting .231 with 11 home runs and 41 RBI in a career-high 113 games.
In 1956, Chiti shared catching duties with Hobie Landrith. On May 30 (Memorial Day) he made an entry for himself in Cubs trivia, during the second game of a windblown doubleheader against the Milwaukee Braves, in which 39 runs were scored overall. While being intentionally walked, Braves pitcher Ray Crone delivered a little too close to the outside corner of the plate, and Chiti smacked it into the right field corner, legging out a triple.[1][2]
At season's end, he was sent to the World Series Champion New York Yankees, but he never saw any action with the Bombers. He was drafted by the Kansas City Athletics from New York in the 1957 Rule 5 draft. Chiti played with the Athletics from 1958 to 1960. The next three years he was part of transactions between the A’s, Detroit Tigers, Baltimore Orioles and Cleveland Indians.
On April 25, 1962—before he even played a game for the Indians—Chiti was acquired by the expansion New York Mets for a player to be named later. However, he was sent back to the Indians on June 15, 1962 after 15 games and a .195 batting average.[3] Since Chiti was the "player to be named later," he thus became the first player ever traded for himself. Three other players in history have been traded for themselves: Dickie Noles, Brad Gulden, and John McDonald. Chiti never played another major league game, spending two more years at Triple-A before retiring in 1964.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2014 12:57:31 GMT -5
The Braves are unpredictable because they have trouble hitting and pitching at times.
Tip of the day: Don't ever bet on a Braves game. You think they'll lose they win, you think they'll win they lose. Been that way for 50 years.
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Post by bigddude on Jul 30, 2014 10:00:00 GMT -5
So, was there anyone happier last night (finally) when the games ends then Cubs catcher Jeff Baker? After he pitched a scoreless 16th inning, he scored the winning run in the bottom of half of the inning, thus ending the lost game in Cubs history.
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Post by bigddude on Jul 30, 2014 10:01:55 GMT -5
Oh, and pretty much regardless of you the individual posters opinion, I feel very strongly that the person announcing the game for your favorite teams knows that Vin Scully is the best of all time.
It actually brought a tear to my eye when I heard he was returning for year 66.
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Post by bigddude on Jul 30, 2014 10:38:02 GMT -5
Ubaldo Jimenez, solid MLB vet.
Ubaldo Jimenez kicked off a minor-league rehab assignment Tuesday at Single-A, tossing 4.2 innings of one-run ball as he comes back from a sprained ankle suffered when he stepped in a hole in a parking lot.
Jimenez allowed five hits and three walks, so it’s unclear if the Orioles will be impressed enough by the uneven outing to activate him from the disabled list yet after indicating initially that they might take their sweet time doing so.
If he does stay on a rehab stint for another start at least the Orioles’ minor leaguers will be well fed. He took the entire team out for a steak and lobster dinner.
It’s customary for any veteran major leaguer visiting the minors to spring for a food upgrade in the clubhouse and Jimenez apparently did his part and then some in the first season of a four-year, $50 million deal. So they’d probably like for him to stick around in Single-A.
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Post by bigddude on Jul 30, 2014 10:38:55 GMT -5
Cubs fans are in fact a different breed of human all together -
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Post by poprocksncoke on Jul 30, 2014 10:48:40 GMT -5
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Post by bigddude on Jul 30, 2014 10:56:51 GMT -5
Looking back at some recent blockbuster trade deadline deals -
July 31, 2004: The Red Sox were treading water as the Deadline approached before general manager Theo Epstein made two moves, one bold and the other under the radar, that would alter the course of the franchise forever. Franchise icon Nomar Garciaparra was traded to the Cubs as part of a four-team blockbuster that brought shortstop Orlando Cabrera from the Expos and first baseman Doug Mientkiewicz. Almost as an afterthought, speedy outfielder Dave Roberts was acquired from the Dodgers for a marginal prospect.
Everybody knows what happened next. Boston went 34-12 down the stretch, made a remarkable comeback in the American League Championship Series with the help of one of the most famous stolen bases in history by Roberts and went on to win the organization's first World Series in 86 years. They've since added two more trophies.
July 31, 1998: The Astros were already looking ahead to October when they sent Freddy Garcia, John Halama and Carlos Guillen to the Mariners for free-agent-to-be Randy Johnson. The Big Unit excelled, going 10-1 with a 1.28 ERA in 11 starts, helping Houston reach the playoffs.
Three years later, Garcia and Halama combined for 28 victories and Guillen was the everyday shortstop for a Mariners team that won 116 games.
July 29, 2011: The Phillies had a comfortable lead in the National League East but badly wanted a right-handed bat to balance their lineup. So they sent prospects Jarred Cosart, Jon Singleton, Josh Zeid and Domingo Santana to the Astros for Hunter Pence. The right fielder batted .324 with 11 homers and a .954 OPS, helping the Phillies win a franchise-record 102 games.
The Phillies subsequently traded Pence to the Giants. All four players the Astros got in return have appeared for them in the big leagues this year; Cosart is in the rotation and Singleton is the starting first baseman.
July 30, 2010: Sometimes deals become important only in retrospect. That was the case when the Nationals traded infield depth in Cristian Guzman to get Double-A pitcher Tanner Roark from the Rangers. Going into his Wednesday start against the Marlins, Roark is 17-7 with a 2.43 ERA since being called up last year and might just be the best pitcher on a staff that includes All-Stars Stephen Strasburg, Gio Gonzalez and Jordan Zimmermann.
July 31, 2008: Mannywood was established in Chavez Ravine when the Dodgers picked up Manny Ramirez as part of a three-team swap that also involved the Pirates. And the talented but erratic slugger put up ridiculous numbers the rest of the season, batting .396 with 17 homers, 53 RBIs and a 1.232 OPS in 53 games to help the Dodgers edge the D-backs in the NL West.
July 31, 2007: The Braves were in third place but only 4 1/2 games off the lead when they got first baseman Mark Teixeira from the Rangers to be the middle-of-the-order bat they were lacking. It didn't work out. The Braves played .500 ball the rest of the way, missed the playoffs and flipped Teixeira to the Angels the following July.
Texas, however, benefited tremendously. The Rangers got shortstop Elvis Andrus plus pitchers Neftali Feliz and Matt Harrison, all players who helped the franchise make back-to-back World Series appearances in 2010 and 2011.
July 29, 2010: After two straight World Series appearances, the Phillies were lagging until Roy Oswalt was acquired from the Astros for J.A. Happ, Anthony Gose and Jonathan Villar. He proved to be just the spark the team needed, going 7-1 with a 1.74 ERA in red pinstripes as the Phillies won their fourth straight NL East title going away.
Oswalt was unable to reprise that success as a member of the "Four Aces" rotation the following year as he battled injuries and departed as a free agent. Happ and Gose are now with the Blue Jays. Villar was the Astros' regular shortstop when the 2014 season opened but is now at Triple-A Oklahoma City.
July 31, 1997: Mark McGwire was scheduled to become a free agent at the end of the season when the Athletics traded him to the Cardinals. A known quantity, McGwire exploded for two of the most prodigious power seasons in history in 1998 and 1999, bashing a then-record 70 homers his first year and following it up with 65 before suspicions of performance-enhancing substances surfaced.
On the same day, the White Sox sent pitchers Wilson Alvarez, Danny Darwin and Roberto Hernandez to the Giants for six Minor Leaguers. Because the Sox were only 3 1/2 games behind the Indians at the time, it was widely decried as "the White Flag Trade." However, two of the players Chicago received in return (Keith Foulke, Bob Howry) helped the team win the AL Central in 2000.
July 26, 2000: The D-backs gave up four solid players -- Vicente Padilla, Nelson Figueroa, Travis Lee and Omar Daal -- to get Curt Schilling from the Phillies. Schilling teamed up with Johnson to give Arizona a devastating 1-2 punch at the front end of the rotation and the D-backs rode that combination all the way to its only World Series title in 2001.
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Post by bigddude on Jul 30, 2014 11:27:39 GMT -5
To see and hear others discuss the Dodger trading pieces, they think the Dodgers should let their best kids go, so that they can that much more assure them getting to and winning the W.S THIS YEAR. I myself agree with you, that teams are asking for too much, and that the Dodgers would be better to stand pat, if the asking price is and will remain that high.
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Post by bigddude on Jul 30, 2014 11:37:16 GMT -5
Though it is otherwise nice, close and convienient, proof that parking at Fenway is not the best idea.
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Post by bigddude on Jul 30, 2014 12:06:27 GMT -5
As a white guy myself, and, instead of getting any kind of upset, I say well played. VERY well played.
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Post by bigddude on Jul 30, 2014 12:08:38 GMT -5
So, which pitchers put the most butts in the seats?
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Post by bigddude on Jul 30, 2014 12:11:11 GMT -5
If the GIF works, this will be funny. Hey baby. How about a little head?
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Post by bigddude on Jul 30, 2014 12:21:08 GMT -5
Proof that not all baseball trades are created equal, and, that some have little to do with the game really at all.
Heck, we've seen teams (Tigers and Indians) swap managers (Joe Gordon and Jimmy Dykes), and even players (Mike Kekich and Fritz Peterson) swap wives (Marilyn Peterson and Susan Kekich). We've seen two guys (Max Flack and Cliff Heathcote) dealt for each other between games of a doubleheader. We've seen John McDonald, Dickie Noles and Harry Chiti traded for ... themselves. (They turned out to be the "player to be named" in deals that had briefly shipped them elsewhere.)
But in terms of players dealt for inanimate objects, these are a few of our favorites:
Lefty Grove for a fence: Before he went on to win 300 games and a whopping nine ERA titles, Grove pitched seven games for the Martinsburg Mountaineers in 1920. He was sold to the Orioles in June of that season for $3,500 -- the cost to replace Martinsburg's outfield fence, which had been leveled by a storm.
Dave Winfield for dinner: The Indians thought they had acquired a valuable veteran piece for their up-and-coming lineup at the July Trade Deadline in 1994 when they landed Winfield from the Twins. Only one problem: The Players Association went on strike two weeks later, before Winfield even played a game for the Tribe. The strike wiped out the rest of the season, and the "player to be named" from the Winfield deal was never named. To settle things, Indians executives took Twins executives out for dinner. If the steak was anywhere near as good as Winfield, it must have been a heck of a meal.
Buzzy Wares for rent: The 1913 Montgomery Rebels, of the Southern Association, were kind enough to let the St. Louis Browns use their ballpark during Spring Training. When camp concluded, the Browns left behind a token of their appreciation -- Wares. The shortstop would eventually make it to the big leagues with the Browns later that year.
Johnny Johns for a live turkey: OK, the turkey was -- briefly -- an animated object. This still qualified. Johns never made it to the big leagues, but his name lives on in infamy as the player Joe Engel, "the Barnum of Baseball," traded for a turkey. Johns was a light-hitting shortstop for the Chattanooga Lookouts who had drawn the ire of the local press. So Engel sent him to the Charlotte Hornets of the Piedmont League in exchange for a 25-pound turkey that Engel had cooked for the Southern Writers' Association Dinner. The turkey, though, turned out to be a little tough, so it was decided by the press that the Hornets had gotten the better end of that deal.
Kerry Ligtenberg for bats and balls: Undrafted out of college, Ligtenberg landed with the Minneapolis Loons of the independent North Central League, pitching for $650 a month. In 1996, he was one class away from graduating from the University of Minnesota with an engineering degree and likely leaving baseball behind, but the Braves took an interest in him at the urging of Loons manager Greg Olson. The Braves signed Ligtenberg, and assistant general manager Dean Taylor offered to compensate Olson for the find. Olson was practical enough to ask for what his club really needed -- 12 dozen baseballs and two dozen bats. A steal of a deal for the Braves, for whom Ligtenberg went on to make 254 appearances over the next six seasons.
Joe Martina for oysters: Martina pitched just one season for the Washington Senators in 1924, but his name was not lost to history because of the 1921 Texas League swap in which Dallas sent him to New Orleans for two barrels of oysters. Martina was forever known as "Oyster Joe."
Cy Young for a suit: The Cleveland Spiders needed an arm, and owner Frank Robison decided to take a chance on Denton Young, who had put together a solid season with the Canton Nadjys of the Tri-State League. Young would inspire not only a great nickname ("Cy" for "Cyclone," a nod to the tenacity of his pitches) but also the game's most prestigious pitching award, named in his honor. And all it cost Robison to acquire him was about $250 or $300 (accounts vary) and a new suit for Canton's skipper.
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Post by poprocksncoke on Jul 30, 2014 13:11:02 GMT -5
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Post by bigddude on Jul 30, 2014 14:12:41 GMT -5
Another in a long list of otherwise "broken" pitchers the Cards feel they can fix. Why not, if the price was low and right for them? They have a great track record of getting guys back on track.
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Post by bigddude on Jul 30, 2014 14:21:59 GMT -5
The best news I have heard all day. As the Dodgers are not willing to move their top 3 prospects, they are out of the running for Price, Lester, and Hammels. Just because they are not going all in, it does not mean they are not in win now mode. It just means they are not filling to mortgage their future for a hopfully better present.
That is a move a team should do when they are struggling, and the Dodgers are not struggling. Nor is their issue starting pitching, knowing full well no team can ever have too much.
Like so many other things in life "at what cost?"
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Post by bigddude on Jul 30, 2014 14:37:49 GMT -5
So, Felix Doubront was bitching recently that he wanted to be a starter with the Red Sox. Well, I see he got his wish. Sort of. Seems the Sox don't want a malcontent around, so, they shipped him off the the Cubs for the old PTBNL.
Enjoy starting those games in Chicago Felix, and, as always, be careful with you ask for......
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Post by poprocksncoke on Jul 30, 2014 15:11:57 GMT -5
So, Felix Doubront was bitching recently that he wanted to be a starter with the Red Sox. Well, I see he got his wish. Sort of. Seems the Sox don't want a malcontent around, so, they shipped him off the the Cubs for the old PTBNL. Enjoy starting those games in Chicago Felix, and, as always, be careful with you ask for...... lol
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Post by poprocksncoke on Jul 30, 2014 15:17:36 GMT -5
lol
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Post by bigddude on Jul 30, 2014 15:27:30 GMT -5
Baggerly talking about the Dodgers = sarcasm. However, that said, I would not mind the Dodgers getting Lackey. For the correct, low, low bargain basement price that is....
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