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Post by Zig on Jan 5, 2017 21:46:44 GMT -5
There is no clear cut winner and quite a few players you can make a case for. Vote and make your case!
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Post by Swamp Dragon on Jan 5, 2017 23:21:02 GMT -5
There is no clear cut winner and quite a few players you can make a case for. Vote and make your case! You can make cases for a few players not on the poll too but I think it's pretty easy Ezekiel Elliot should win the MVP. Without him this is a 8-8 team at best. Those who would argue for Dak don't realize it's Zeke's presence that enables Dak. He keeps the defense off the field (#2 in time of possession) I would vote for Ezekiel Elliot to be the first rookie MVP since Jim Brown (Earl Campbell by PFWA in 1978) One of my biggest issues with the NFL voting system is you only vote on the winner as opposed to most leagues who vote top 3 or 5 or 10. It would give a more accurate winner than the system that is now in place Here would be my top 5 vote 1) Ezekiel Elliot 2) Derek Carr 3) Tom Brady 4) Matt Ryan 5) David Johnson |
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Post by Otis B. Driftwood on Jan 6, 2017 7:05:33 GMT -5
Ryan. Consistently excellent all year long. Brady missing 4 games matters. Rodgers early season struggles matter. I could be provincial and vote for Dak or Zeke but I won't. They will finish 1-2 (or maybe tie) for ROY. Give it to Matty Ice.
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Post by EWA Beach PGH Fan on Jan 6, 2017 10:05:04 GMT -5
I'm gonna be biased and say Le'Veon Bell. He was suspended 3 games and rested for 1 and still ran for over 1200 yards and had 75 catches for almost 700 yards. I know having AB and Ben on his team hurts his and really any of their chances of winning an MVP but he took it to another level in the last half of the season and was voted the Steelers MVP. He's the best all around RB in the game today and the primary reason the Steelers won the AFC North this year.
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Post by Swamp Dragon on Jan 6, 2017 11:41:29 GMT -5
Ryan. Consistently excellent all year long. Brady missing 4 games matters. Rodgers early season struggles matter. I could be provincial and vote for Dak or Zeke but I won't. They will finish 1-2 (or maybe tie) for ROY. Give it to Matty Ice. Dak shouldn't be in the equation or on the poll |
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Post by Otis B. Driftwood on Jan 6, 2017 13:12:59 GMT -5
Ryan. Consistently excellent all year long. Brady missing 4 games matters. Rodgers early season struggles matter. I could be provincial and vote for Dak or Zeke but I won't. They will finish 1-2 (or maybe tie) for ROY. Give it to Matty Ice. Dak shouldn't be in the equation or on the poll A month ago I would have argued with you. Not now. But he will be on the ROY ballot and I would give that to him over Zeke. |
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Post by Swamp Dragon on Jan 6, 2017 15:26:11 GMT -5
Dak shouldn't be in the equation or on the poll A month ago I would have argued with you. Not now. But he will be on the ROY ballot and I would give that to him over Zeke. Oh he's had a great season but the scheme has protected him. It is very similar to early Russell Wilson RG3 Kaep. It's just Russell Wilson grew out of it RG3 and Kaep not so much |
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Post by Swamp Dragon on Jan 6, 2017 15:28:38 GMT -5
A month ago I would have argued with you. Not now. But he will be on the ROY ballot and I would give that to him over Zeke. Oh he's had a great season but the scheme has protected him. It is very similar to early Russell Wilson RG3 Kaep. It's just Russell Wilson grew out of it RG3 and Kaep not so much I expect Dak to follow Wilson's path and not RG3 and Kaep's. The difference being Russell and Dak want to play good, RG3 and Kaep want to look good |
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Post by Otis B. Driftwood on Jan 6, 2017 15:50:57 GMT -5
Oh he's had a great season but the scheme has protected him. It is very similar to early Russell Wilson RG3 Kaep. It's just Russell Wilson grew out of it RG3 and Kaep not so much I expect Dak to follow Wilson's path and not RG3 and Kaep's. The difference being Russell and Dak want to play good, RG3 and Kaep want to look good I do too. Dak has given no clue he has any thoughts other than getting better every week. He reeks of what we all saw in Wilson a few years ago. Definitely not a celebrity QB. Parcells would have loved having Russell or Dak as his QB. |
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Post by Swamp Dragon on Jan 6, 2017 16:06:58 GMT -5
There is no clear cut winner and quite a few players you can make a case for. Vote and make your case! You can make cases for a few players not on the poll too but I think it's pretty easy Ezekiel Elliot should win the MVP. Without him this is a 8-8 team at best. Those who would argue for Dak don't realize it's Zeke's presence that enables Dak. He keeps the defense off the field (#2 in time of possession) I would vote for Ezekiel Elliot to be the first rookie MVP since Jim Brown (Earl Campbell by PFWA in 1978) One of my biggest issues with the NFL voting system is you only vote on the winner as opposed to most leagues who vote top 3 or 5 or 10. It would give a more accurate winner than the system that is now in place Here would be my top 5 vote 1) Ezekiel Elliot 2) Derek Carr 3) Tom Brady 4) Matt Ryan 5) David Johnson Ryan. Consistently excellent all year long. Brady missing 4 games matters. Rodgers early season struggles matter. I could be provincial and vote for Dak or Zeke but I won't. They will finish 1-2 (or maybe tie) for ROY. Give it to Matty Ice. I decided to look at that and came to the conclusion I should transpose Carr and Ryan on my list. Ryan was a model of consistency and the 5 losses sustained by the Falcons were by a total of 16 points. Whereas Carr had 2 bad games and missed a 3rd with injury |
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Post by Stormy Rottman: RIP Backroads on Jan 6, 2017 17:57:36 GMT -5
Michael Vick had an MVP caliber 12-game season for the Eagles in 2010. They said he didn't play enough games to win the MVP. Instead they gave it to Tom Brady. So Brady can go fuck himself with his 12 game season. And why did Brady miss 4 games of this season? Because he's a cheater serving a suspension for cheating. He probably cheated this season as well. Roids. Obvi |
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Post by Swamp Dragon on Jan 6, 2017 18:26:10 GMT -5
Michael Vick had an MVP caliber 12-game season for the Eagles in 2010. They said he didn't play enough games to win the MVP. Instead they gave it to Tom Brady. So Brady can go fuck himself with his 12 game season. And why did Brady miss 4 games of this season? Because he's a cheater serving a suspension for cheating. He probably cheated this season as well. Roids. Obvi Hema I'm guessing |
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Post by tigertowner 68 on Jan 8, 2017 15:33:31 GMT -5
Give me EE.
The best player that had the most consistent impact on the best team not from Foxborough.
I'd have gave it to Brady based on 28 TD - 2 INT ratio but missing the four games drops him to second.
I only have a top four. These players are far and away ahead of the rest:
1) Elliott
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4) Ryan
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Post by Swamp Dragon on Jan 8, 2017 16:08:22 GMT -5
Give me EE. The best player that had the most consistent impact on the best team not from Foxborough. I'd have gave it to Brady based on 28 TD - 2 INT ratio but missing the four games drops him to second. I only have a top four. These players are far and away ahead of the rest: 1) Elliott 2) Brady 3) Carr 4) Ryan Did you vote for Nick Foles in 2013 |
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Post by tigertowner 68 on Jan 8, 2017 16:45:43 GMT -5
Give me EE. The best player that had the most consistent impact on the best team not from Foxborough. I'd have gave it to Brady based on 28 TD - 2 INT ratio but missing the four games drops him to second. I only have a top four. These players are far and away ahead of the rest: 1) Elliott 2) Brady 3) Carr 4) Ryan Did you vote for Nick Foles in 2013 No. But his team was not 14-2. I didn't pick Brady this year either. As I said, I picked him 2nd because he missed four games. And not because of injury, because of suspension. |
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Post by Swamp Dragon on Jan 8, 2017 17:59:47 GMT -5
Did you vote for Nick Foles in 2013 No. But his team was not 14-2. I didn't pick Brady this year either. As I said, I picked him 2nd because he missed four games. And not because of injury, because of suspension. Stafford would have made my top 5 instead of Johnson if he had of won 2 out of his last 3 games |
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Post by tigertowner 68 on Jan 8, 2017 18:04:05 GMT -5
No. But his team was not 14-2. I didn't pick Brady this year either. As I said, I picked him 2nd because he missed four games. And not because of injury, because of suspension. Stafford would have made my top 5 instead of Johnson if he had of won 2 out of his last 3 games Word. That is a pathetic team that the head coach did not have ready to play yesterday. The whole team basically sucked the dogs sack the last four games. |
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Post by Swamp Dragon on Jan 8, 2017 18:13:14 GMT -5
Stafford would have made my top 5 instead of Johnson if he had of won 2 out of his last 3 games Word. That is a pathetic team that the head coach did not have ready to play yesterday. The whole team basically sucked the dogs sack the last four games. They really need a bellcow RB. Stafford with that laser arm. Would be something to see |
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Post by tigertowner 68 on Jan 8, 2017 18:20:48 GMT -5
Word. That is a pathetic team that the head coach did not have ready to play yesterday. The whole team basically sucked the dogs sack the last four games. They really need a bellcow RB. Stafford with that laser arm. Would be something to see That, and a real head coach. Not this one. i484.photobucket.com/albums/rr208/seymouro/wiz%20scarecrow_zpssy35fje1.jpgJim Bob is not bad but he can't overcome the head guy. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2017 16:57:05 GMT -5
There is no clear cut winner and quite a few players you can make a case for. Vote and make your case! You can make cases for a few players not on the poll too but I think it's pretty easy Ezekiel Elliot should win the MVP. Without him this is a 8-8 team at best. Those who would argue for Dak don't realize it's Zeke's presence that enables Dak. He keeps the defense off the field (#2 in time of possession) I would vote for Ezekiel Elliot to be the first rookie MVP since Jim Brown (Earl Campbell by PFWA in 1978) One of my biggest issues with the NFL voting system is you only vote on the winner as opposed to most leagues who vote top 3 or 5 or 10. It would give a more accurate winner than the system that is now in place Here would be my top 5 vote 1) Ezekiel Elliot 2) Derek Carr 3) Tom Brady 4) Matt Ryan 5) David Johnson You could also argue that Prescott's leadership of the offense, as limited as it was to accommodate his experience, enabled Zeke to do so well...the Defense wasn't sure if it was going to be Zeke, or Dak passing, or Dak running....opens up a lot of options |
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Post by Swamp Dragon on Jan 9, 2017 21:10:54 GMT -5
A Red Bryant run stuffing type DT to stuff the run would help. I don't know that Caldwell's the problem. He was the perfect opposite of Schwartz which was a needed calmness brought to the locker room. I figure Quinn would like to bring in his own coach. But Caldwell has been to the playoffs twice in 3 years in Detroit that is like a dynasty in that building |
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Post by tigertowner 68 on Jan 10, 2017 6:04:41 GMT -5
A Red Bryant run stuffing type DT to stuff the run would help. I don't know that Caldwell's the problem. He was the perfect opposite of Schwartz which was a needed calmness brought to the locker room. I figure Quinn would like to bring in his own coach. But Caldwell has been to the playoffs twice in 3 years in Detroit that is like a dynasty in that building That is always the problem here though. This organization sets such low standards that they are happy and generally, so are the fans. Making the playoffs 2 times every five years is about average for any team in this league. It is designed that way. They just made it 2 out of 3 years. But then you have not one appearance only from 2000-2010 before they made it in 2011.. The team in 2014 was actually a good team that barely lost a wild card game to the Cowboys. Then they mismanage the Suh situation. The 2016 team was a smoke-and-mirrors luckout. |
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Post by tigertowner 68 on Jan 10, 2017 11:23:08 GMT -5
No. But his team was not 14-2.I didn't pick Brady this year either. As I said, I picked him 2nd because he missed four games. And not because of injury, because of suspension. If a QB throws 27 TD : 2 INTs, it's not his fault if the rest of the team sucks. Different people have different ideas about criteria for MVP. Foles had a hell of a year in the season you are referring to. I didn't say he sucked. Just would not have voted him MVP. Probably would have had him in the top four for that year though. That's pretty high if you look at what is my top four of this season. Those guys all had really special seasons. I didn't even have Rodgers in the top four and look at the year he just had. I do not believe that the MVP necessarily must come from the best team. But if its close, then that is one of the stronger criteria that I will give weight to. |
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Post by Canuck eh? on Jan 10, 2017 13:05:08 GMT -5
No votes for TB12? LOL
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Post by Peter Gozintite on Jan 10, 2017 14:00:57 GMT -5
I'm going to say Derrick Carr. Simply because the Raiders went from being a serious contender in the AFC, to absolute shit without him.
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Post by Swamp Dragon on Jan 10, 2017 17:01:42 GMT -5
You can make cases for a few players not on the poll too but I think it's pretty easy Ezekiel Elliot should win the MVP. Without him this is a 8-8 team at best. Those who would argue for Dak don't realize it's Zeke's presence that enables Dak. He keeps the defense off the field (#2 in time of possession) I would vote for Ezekiel Elliot to be the first rookie MVP since Jim Brown (Earl Campbell by PFWA in 1978) One of my biggest issues with the NFL voting system is you only vote on the winner as opposed to most leagues who vote top 3 or 5 or 10. It would give a more accurate winner than the system that is now in place Here would be my top 5 vote 1) Ezekiel Elliot 2) Derek Carr 3) Tom Brady 4) Matt Ryan 5) David Johnson You could also argue that Prescott's leadership of the offense, as limited as it was to accommodate his experience, enabled Zeke to do so well...the Defense wasn't sure if it was going to be Zeke, or Dak passing, or Dak running....opens up a lot of options  |
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You could also argue that Prescott's leadership of the offense, as limited as it was to accommodate his experience, enabled Zeke to do so well...the Defense wasn't sure if it was going to be Zeke, or Dak passing, or Dak running....opens up a lot of options Trust me....I would never kiss your ass... since it is so big |
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Trust me....I would never kiss your ass... since it is so big So if it's small and smooth.... like a young boy's... you're all good with that. A guy after my own heart. Hey Gus/Canuck....whatever you want to think, just go with it... |
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Post by lemiwinks on Jan 12, 2017 13:31:26 GMT -5
Its Rodgers.....you could argue Ryan if you want....
nobody else is in the picture. Most valuable thing about the cowboys is the OLine.
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