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Post by Deleted on Jan 3, 2015 14:15:42 GMT -5
Manning has 11 seasons post the 2004 passing game rule changes, Warner only had 6 and of course wasn't a starter for many of those. Warner bagged groceries and played in the Arena league, while NFL family royalty Manning kicked and screamed his way out of San Diego. That's how. As a previous poster stated in this thread, being an interesting story should not have any bearing on Warner's HOF worthiness, so mentioning it here is pointless. I don't care if he bagged groceries in Iowa or bagged 60-year-old heiresses in Vegas. It should be all about, and only about, what he did on the field. On field he only had five season above average for a QB in his era. That's not HOF material.
By the way, as long as you are mentioning kicking and screaming QBs, let's not forget that John Elway kicked and screamed his way off of the then Baltimore Colts and I'm sure there are plenty of other examples.
You cited Eli Manning in comparison to Warner. What Elway or any other QB did is irrelevant to the topic. Warner was league MVP twice. That was all done on the field. During those 5 seasons as you say(I'd actually call it 6, but you can say 5), twice he was the best in the game. How many years does it take to qualify as great? |
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Post by Swamp Dragon on Jan 6, 2015 18:10:17 GMT -5
Warner retired with an incredible 93.7 quarterback rating while throwing 208 touchdowns and accumulating 32,344 passing yards during his 12-year career. He should be in. So should The Snake as well as Brett. Where's the love for Kenny Anderson |
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Post by Center Ice on Jan 6, 2015 18:25:28 GMT -5
Warner retired with an incredible 93.7 quarterback rating while throwing 208 touchdowns and accumulating 32,344 passing yards during his 12-year career. He should be in. So should The Snake as well as Brett. Where's the love for Kenny Anderson He was a Bengal!!! |
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Post by Swamp Dragon on Jan 6, 2015 18:41:00 GMT -5
Hand injuries are a weekly type injury PMBSTSS goes on for seasons careers even (see Bulger, Marc) Warner attributed his declining stats to a hand injury that didn't heal. < en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kurt_Warner > But maybe you know what was wrong with Kurt better than Kurt knows what was wrong with Kurt.
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Warner later revealed that he had previously broken his hand and that it
had not fully healed, making it more difficult to grip the football
This is a 4-6 week injury. He never got the job back and was released and signed with the Giants
He was replaced that season by Eli (a rookie) and voidedf the second season of the contract. He went to the Cards where he was replaced by McCown won the job back (or McCown lost it) He then the next season was the starter lost it to Leinhart and basically was his back up till 1/4 of the way thru the next season Doesn't jump out as a HoFer to me
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Post by redseat on Jan 6, 2015 19:13:34 GMT -5
No, I do not think so. He doesn't have the numbers it takes to get in. Sure he played in a different era but I don't think he has it to make it in.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2015 20:30:02 GMT -5
Warner attributed his declining stats to a hand injury that didn't heal. < en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kurt_Warner > But maybe you know what was wrong with Kurt better than Kurt knows what was wrong with Kurt.
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Warner later revealed that he had previously broken his hand and that it
had not fully healed, making it more difficult to grip the football
This is a 4-6 week injury. He never got the job back and was released and signed with the Giants
He was replaced that season by Eli (a rookie) and voidedf the second season of the contract. He went to the Cards where he was replaced by McCown won the job back (or McCown lost it) He then the next season was the starter lost it to Leinhart and basically was his back up till 1/4 of the way thru the next season Doesn't jump out as a HoFer to me
Ohhh, some one is livid. "How dare you disagree with me! I played football in 8th grade. I know way more than you about football"
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Post by Swamp Dragon on Jan 6, 2015 20:34:02 GMT -5
Comments coming from someone who thinks Hoodie purposely lost to Green Bay so Seattle couldn't get home field advantage are skeptically read by this poster. But even if his hand was screwed up off season surgery to correct it and he's back next season Not 4 years later. He was pulled by Martz and replaced with Bulger cause he was shell-shocked and had gotten happy feet and was throwing away the ball to avoid the hits. The hand was an issue in the one season
from Wikipedia
Warner later revealed that he had previously broken his hand and that it
had not fully healed, making it more difficult to grip the football
This is a 4-6 week injury. He never got the job back and was released and signed with the Giants
He was replaced that season by Eli (a rookie) and voidedf the second season of the contract. He went to the Cards where he was replaced by McCown won the job back (or McCown lost it) He then the next season was the starter lost it to Leinhart and basically was his back up till 1/4 of the way thru the next season Doesn't jump out as a HoFer to me
Ohhh, some one is livid. "How dare you disagree with me! I played football in 8th grade. I know way more than you about football"
Yes I guess your 4th string long snapper role makes you the local expert |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2015 20:43:53 GMT -5
Ohhh, some one is livid. "How dare you disagree with me! I played football in 8th grade. I know way more than you about football"
Yes I guess your 4th string long snapper role makes you the local expert Nope. I was the waterboy for the girls' varsity flag football team |
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Post by Swamp Dragon on Jan 6, 2015 21:01:50 GMT -5
Yes I guess your 4th string long snapper role makes you the local expert Nope. I was the waterboy for the girls' varsity flag football team Too bad they didn't have Lingerie Football back then eh! |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2015 21:04:34 GMT -5
Nope. I was the waterboy for the girls' varsity flag football team Too bad they didn't have Lingerie Football back then eh! I didn't need a lingerie league. I had an active imagination. |
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Post by tnerb57 on Jan 7, 2015 4:33:19 GMT -5
No, he is not a Hall of Famer Yes. He is. A lock. |
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Post by tnerb57 on Jan 7, 2015 4:35:37 GMT -5
No, I do not think so. He doesn't have the numbers it takes to get in. Sure he played in a different era but I don't think he has it to make it in. So Gale Sayers should not be in either, right? |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 7, 2015 10:15:26 GMT -5
No, I do not think so. He doesn't have the numbers it takes to get in. Sure he played in a different era but I don't think he has it to make it in. How is 5-6 years ago a different era? |
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Post by redseat on Jan 7, 2015 19:11:52 GMT -5
No, I do not think so. He doesn't have the numbers it takes to get in. Sure he played in a different era but I don't think he has it to make it in. How is 5-6 years ago a different era? Rules wise. Look at the rules he played with compared to know with the league all about offense and the defender can't do anything without getting a flag |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2015 11:36:42 GMT -5
How is 5-6 years ago a different era? Rules wise. Look at the rules he played with compared to know with the league all about offense and the defender can't do anything without getting a flag It wasn't really a rule change, per se. There was a directive from the league in 2004 to strictly enforce the illegal contact rules when passing downfield. That's why guys are throwing for 4000 yards routinely now. Warner's career was split between 2 eras. That's why in my opinion the statistical evidence against him doesn't quite work. |
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Post by billybatts on Jan 8, 2015 11:48:20 GMT -5
Rules wise. Look at the rules he played with compared to know with the league all about offense and the defender can't do anything without getting a flag It wasn't really a rule change, per se. There was a directive from the league in 2004 to strictly enforce the illegal contact rules when passing downfield. That's why guys are throwing for 4000 yards routinely now. Warner's career was split between 2 eras. That's why in my opinion the statistical evidence against him doesn't quite work. Hey pal, don't people like you have handlers, like in the movie Rainman? |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2015 11:54:03 GMT -5
It wasn't really a rule change, per se. There was a directive from the league in 2004 to strictly enforce the illegal contact rules when passing downfield. That's why guys are throwing for 4000 yards routinely now. Warner's career was split between 2 eras. That's why in my opinion the statistical evidence against him doesn't quite work. Hey pal, don't people like you have handlers, like in the movie Rainman? Welcome JimJ77 You should see the private forum at the top of the page next time you go there. |
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Post by Swamp Dragon on Jan 8, 2015 13:40:01 GMT -5
Rules wise. Look at the rules he played with compared to know with the league all about offense and the defender can't do anything without getting a flag It wasn't really a rule change, per se. There was a directive from the league in 2004 to strictly enforce the illegal contact rules when passing downfield. That's why guys are throwing for 4000 yards routinely now. Warner's career was split between 2 eras. That's why in my opinion the statistical evidence against him doesn't quite work. He by all accounts is a nice guy and he'll get more votes than he deserves but he is borderline HoF |
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Post by Swamp Dragon on Jan 8, 2015 13:44:25 GMT -5
As a previous poster stated in this thread, being an interesting story should not have any bearing on Warner's HOF worthiness, so mentioning it here is pointless. I don't care if he bagged groceries in Iowa or bagged 60-year-old heiresses in Vegas. It should be all about, and only about, what he did on the field. On field he only had five season above average for a QB in his era. That's not HOF material.
By the way, as long as you are mentioning kicking and screaming QBs, let's not forget that John Elway kicked and screamed his way off of the then Baltimore Colts and I'm sure there are plenty of other examples.
You cited Eli Manning in comparison to Warner. What Elway or any other QB did is irrelevant to the topic. Warner was league MVP twice. That was all done on the field. During those 5 seasons as you say(I'd actually call it 6, but you can say 5), twice he was the best in the game. How many years does it take to qualify as great? For 4 seasons he couldn't win/keep the starters job after that till Whiz came to Arizona then he had 2 real good seasons with them So 3 Great seasons 4 he couldn't win/keep starting job 2 real good seasons doesn't really jump out as HoF to me |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2015 14:08:01 GMT -5
I say, what the hey, let him in.
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Post by Swamp Dragon on Jan 8, 2015 14:19:09 GMT -5
No, I do not think so. He doesn't have the numbers it takes to get in. Sure he played in a different era but I don't think he has it to make it in. So Gale Sayers should not be in either, right? Debatable |
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Post by Swamp Dragon on Jan 9, 2015 3:02:59 GMT -5
Well he has made the 1st cut to 15 nominees
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Post by CWJim on Jan 11, 2015 23:34:11 GMT -5
I have to say no on Warner....to many down years of him sucking bad. Two or three good years of good play shouldn`t get someone in....just my opinion.
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Post by tnerb57 on Jan 12, 2015 2:48:01 GMT -5
Here's something for you all to chew on. Warner had a rather unique way of gripping the football. His index finger placed squarely on the tip of the ball. When he broke his hand, this disrupted his ability to grip the ball the way he always had. This took considerably more time than the average broken hand does to recover from. During this time, the Rams kicked him to the curb. The Giants signed him to a "mentor" role. It was above the table. He, the Giants, Manning, and anyone who gives a shit about Kurt Warner, knew this at the time. I personally hoped the mentorship would last longer, but I was also happy to see him leave New York.
So he goes to the Cardinals. Opportunity arises, he leads them to The Show. People claim he was only good because of his receivers. How have they done in his absence? Hmm?
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Post by CWJim on Jan 15, 2015 19:12:38 GMT -5
I have to say no on Warner....to many down years of him sucking bad. Two or three good years of good play shouldn`t get someone in....just my opinion. No one's going to remember all the times that he sucked. Just like no one's ever going to remember how many seasons Eli Manning led the league in interceptions. The answer is three. Three times and counting. It is the times he was awesome that I think of....a year or two at Saint Loiue.......a year or two again at the Cards, nope! Does not make a HOF QB for me. |
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Post by Super Paul Mullin on Jan 16, 2015 17:23:22 GMT -5
Warner attributed his declining stats to a hand injury that didn't heal. < en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kurt_Warner > But maybe you know what was wrong with Kurt better than Kurt knows what was wrong with Kurt.
from Wikipedia
Warner later revealed that he had previously broken his hand and that it
had not fully healed, making it more difficult to grip the football
This is a 4-6 week injury. He never got the job back and was released and signed with the Giants
He was replaced that season by Eli (a rookie) and voidedf the second season of the contract. He went to the Cards where he was replaced by McCown won the job back (or McCown lost it) He then the next season was the starter lost it to Leinhart and basically was his back up till 1/4 of the way thru the next season Doesn't jump out as a HoFer to me You make a very astute point in your first sentence. |
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Post by pr0t0cl0wn on Feb 3, 2015 9:31:56 GMT -5
If Gale Sayers is a HOF'er then Warner 100% deserves to be one.
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Post by Zig on Feb 3, 2015 9:40:16 GMT -5
So Gale Sayers should not be in either, right? Or Terrell Davis. Oh wait. I put TD in the same boat as Warner, just didn't have enough "Hof" type years. |
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