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Post by Deleted on Jun 3, 2014 10:38:14 GMT -5
what part of "im not defending him, i dont like what he did" is hard to read?
The part where you're willfully ignoring the fact it violated law... lmao "willfully ignoring" 2 republican lawmakers...i'll wait til its a legit public issue, and not a conspiracy we'd be hearing more about it if it were actually the case like i said, you and i both have no idea what goes on behind closed doors gitmo was supposed to be closed years ago a war was supposed to be over last administration because i dont jump on board gung ho, guns a blazing over the latest "get him!" doesnt make me a sheep it makes me patient...bnecause again, no one knows what else went on |
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Post by Just Another Shem on Jun 3, 2014 10:38:39 GMT -5
So basically people calling bull shit that Bush was called out...are either Obama apologists, or didn't pay attention when Bush is in office. Am I right guys? No |
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Post by redsoxworrld on Jun 3, 2014 10:39:51 GMT -5
"The People" are supposed to be a "voice" Rock. Watching you 3 terds defend this loser is so precious. I'm sure as much as he won't lose sleep over me having a voice...I'm sure he'll reward you with something for defending him like he's your friend. Karma is a nasty bitch, Obama will have his time and have to asnwer to the "People". Lmao.. as if from day 1 in the office he hasn't heard from the "people" give me a fucking break. This dude is the most disrespected PRESIDENT in the history of the world. If you get the flu its Obama's fault. If your employer fires you for being late it's Obama's fault. Thats my last Obama comment for the day bush had that title, most disrespected president in history, for most of his second term |
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Post by PeteNYC on Jun 3, 2014 10:42:25 GMT -5
dumb or just knowing these things happen all the time in every administration...and that if theres smoke, there may not always be fire...it could just be smoke. no one had the balls to call out bush for half the shit he did...like opening essentially an illegal terrorist detainment center in cuba... down, these things...happen nobody called out Bush on the GTMO prison? huh? What are you talking about!? Gitmo was ordered closed on January 22, 2009, the Day President Obama took office - it was the very first thing he did as President - fulfilling a 3 year long campaign promise against the "illegal detainment of innocent peaceful muslims"
www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/closure-guantanamo-detention-facilities
"no one had the balls to call out bush for half the shit he did...." - may be the single dumbest statement you have made, in a long long long line of dumb statements
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Post by b1ake on Jun 3, 2014 10:43:05 GMT -5
bush had that title, most disrespected president in history, for most of his second term His father took a lot of heat too. Reagan, The Peanut Farmer, LBJ, Clinton. Do it to Obama, the African Americans get outraged.I wonder why? Calling somebody a Kenyan Muslim terrorist =/= calling somebody a drunken womanizer... |
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Post by PeteNYC on Jun 3, 2014 10:45:00 GMT -5
calls for impeachment? i dont recall them gitmo is illegal,....yet, still there point Bush got a shit load of "he should be impeached" outcries in his presidency i used to drive by people on Boylston street on the way home with "Bush is the new Hitler" posters that kind of shit is bi partisan sure, a lot of the Obama hate is bullshit too....but this stuff with the VA and the prisoner exchange isn't Also, while you may not like the war in Iraq, it was voted on by Congress 98% - 2% ...with such notables as Hillary Clinton, Barbara Boxtster, Harry Ried eta all talking about the imminent threat from Sadam Hussain.
It's not an impeachable offense to follow the vote of congress ...even if you don't like how the war turned out. trust me - if there was any glimmer of war crimes, or an impeachable offense, Bush would have been strung up.
Just look at the cum stains left by the media when Bush had the shoe thrown at him
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Post by Deleted on Jun 3, 2014 10:50:40 GMT -5
nobody called out Bush on the GTMO prison? huh? What are you talking about!? Gitmo was ordered closed on January 22, 2009, the Day President Obama took office - it was the very first thing he did as President - fulfilling a 3 year long campaign promise against the "illegal detainment of innocent peaceful muslims"
www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/closure-guantanamo-detention-facilities
"no one had the balls to call out bush for half the shit he did...." - may be the single dumbest statement you have made, in a long long long line of dumb statements
exactly my point, thanks pete illegal sandals resort for terrorists, in a country we have an embargo against...supposed to be closed under 2 administrations...still active, stil openly there./..still highly illegal its why i dont get worked up over things like "abuse of power" its ALL abuse of power, every president in history for gods sake its all lies, its all public petting to make us purr   |
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Post by down38str8 on Jun 3, 2014 11:07:58 GMT -5
The part where you're willfully ignoring the fact it violated law... lmao "willfully ignoring" 2 republican lawmakers...i'll wait til its a legit public issue, and not a conspiracy we'd be hearing more about it if it were actually the case like i said, you and i both have no idea what goes on behind closed doors gitmo was supposed to be closed years ago a war was supposed to be over last administration because i dont jump on board gung ho, guns a blazing over the latest "get him!" doesnt make me a sheep it makes me patient...bnecause again, no one knows what else went on Rock...very simple, no conspiracy theory, the law he signed states he has to give congress 30 days notice of any gitmo release. He didn't do that. Want to know why? So the following wouldn't be the lead story on every major news outlet: He need to deflect attention from the growing VA scandal...and he got it... |
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Post by down38str8 on Jun 3, 2014 11:09:58 GMT -5
What are you talking about!? Gitmo was ordered closed on January 22, 2009, the Day President Obama took office - it was the very first thing he did as President - fulfilling a 3 year long campaign promise against the "illegal detainment of innocent peaceful muslims"
www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/closure-guantanamo-detention-facilities
"no one had the balls to call out bush for half the shit he did...." - may be the single dumbest statement you have made, in a long long long line of dumb statements
exactly my point, thanks pete illegal sandals resort for terrorists, in a country we have an embargo against...supposed to be closed under 2 administrations...still active, stil openly there./..still highly illegal its why i dont get worked up over things like "abuse of power" its ALL abuse of power, every president in history for gods sake its all lies, its all public petting to make us purr Gitmo...is....not....illegal... The illegalities of it were resolved in 2006... |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 3, 2014 11:14:07 GMT -5
lmao "willfully ignoring" 2 republican lawmakers...i'll wait til its a legit public issue, and not a conspiracy we'd be hearing more about it if it were actually the case like i said, you and i both have no idea what goes on behind closed doors gitmo was supposed to be closed years ago a war was supposed to be over last administration because i dont jump on board gung ho, guns a blazing over the latest "get him!" doesnt make me a sheep it makes me patient...bnecause again, no one knows what else went on Rock...very simple, no conspiracy theory, the law he signed states he has to give congress 30 days notice of any gitmo release. He didn't do that. Want to know why? So the following wouldn't be the lead story on every major news outlet: He need to deflect attention from the growing VA scandal...and he got it... see. this is what i mean. becasue 2 things happen doesnt mean theyre connected. you think he really seaid "lets release 5 terrorists this week, bypassing a law i signed, to get this damn VA thing to go away" that makes...and im not kidding...no sense the VA thing was a delegated control issue. obama didnt falsify records and have secret waiting lists in pencil, to avoid scrutiny and increase bonuses people under the blind idiot in charge did and i dont think its rational to think he released the talibans starting 5 to protect middling managers at the VA who instituted this policy of said paper lists just my 2 cents |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 3, 2014 11:15:46 GMT -5
exactly my point, thanks pete illegal sandals resort for terrorists, in a country we have an embargo against...supposed to be closed under 2 administrations...still active, stil openly there./..still highly illegal its why i dont get worked up over things like "abuse of power" its ALL abuse of power, every president in history for gods sake its all lies, its all public petting to make us purr Gitmo...is....not....illegal... The illegalities of it were resolved in 2006... lol "its cool now, we re-wrote some shit" you glazed over my pioint |
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Post by down38str8 on Jun 3, 2014 11:18:22 GMT -5
Rock...very simple, no conspiracy theory, the law he signed states he has to give congress 30 days notice of any gitmo release. He didn't do that. Want to know why? So the following wouldn't be the lead story on every major news outlet: He need to deflect attention from the growing VA scandal...and he got it... see. this is what i mean. becasue 2 things happen doesnt mean theyre connected. you think he really seaid "lets release 5 terrorists this week, bypassing a law i signed, to get this damn VA thing to go away" that makes...and im not kidding...no sense the VA thing was a delegated control issue. obama didnt falsify records and have secret waiting lists in pencil, to avoid scrutiny and increase bonuses people under the blind idiot in charge did and i dont think its rational to think he released the talibans starting 5 to protect middling managers at the VA who instituted this policy of said paper lists just my 2 cents It makes complete sense...the VA story has been buried...and he furthers his agenda of bypassing congress to close gitmo... Obama's part in the VA scandal? He campaigned on improving care for wounded vets...then ignored them, cut their funding and ignored warning after warning until it blew up in his face...I don't blame obama for the acts, I blame him for the policy that allowed the acts to go on as long as they did. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 3, 2014 11:20:08 GMT -5
see. this is what i mean. becasue 2 things happen doesnt mean theyre connected. you think he really seaid "lets release 5 terrorists this week, bypassing a law i signed, to get this damn VA thing to go away" that makes...and im not kidding...no sense the VA thing was a delegated control issue. obama didnt falsify records and have secret waiting lists in pencil, to avoid scrutiny and increase bonuses people under the blind idiot in charge did and i dont think its rational to think he released the talibans starting 5 to protect middling managers at the VA who instituted this policy of said paper lists just my 2 cents It makes complete sense...the VA story has been buried...and he furthers his agenda of bypassing congress to close gitmo... Obama's part in the VA scandal? He campaigned on improving care for wounded vets...then ignored them, cut their funding and ignored warning after warning until it blew up in his face...I don't blame obama for the acts, I blame him for the policy that allowed the acts to go on as long as they did. down, take off the helmet he didnt release 5 terrorists to get the VA thing to go away its silly but your statement on obama policy/funding is fair |
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Post by down38str8 on Jun 3, 2014 11:21:48 GMT -5
Gitmo...is....not....illegal... The illegalities of it were resolved in 2006... lol "its cool now, we re-wrote some shit" you glazed over my pioint I glazed over it because it was factually incorrect. That and basically it's a cowed acceptance that amounts to "they're all dirty, who cares" When opened, it violated the geneva convention...they've since decreed that detainees are to be treated under common law 3 of Geneva...ergo, no longer illegal... What is illegal? Is ignoring a law you signed....and this isn't the first instance of him ignoring the laws of this country...he's got a 6 year track record of ignoring immigration law. POTUS doesn't have a constitutional right to pick and choose what laws he's going to follow...he swore to uphold all of them. Are other presidents in the past guilty of the same? Yep...that doesn't make Obama any less guilty... |
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Post by down38str8 on Jun 3, 2014 11:23:17 GMT -5
It makes complete sense...the VA story has been buried...and he furthers his agenda of bypassing congress to close gitmo... Obama's part in the VA scandal? He campaigned on improving care for wounded vets...then ignored them, cut their funding and ignored warning after warning until it blew up in his face...I don't blame obama for the acts, I blame him for the policy that allowed the acts to go on as long as they did. down, take off the helmet he didnt release 5 terrorists to get the VA thing to go away its silly but your statement on obama policy/funding is fair It's the only rational conclusion...in the immediate follow up to a humungous veteran's scandal, obama skirts the law to bring back a deserter who his administration is parading as someone who served with "distinction and honor".... Sorry...the timing is too perfect... |
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Post by Super Paul Mullin on Jun 3, 2014 11:25:02 GMT -5
see. this is what i mean. becasue 2 things happen doesnt mean theyre connected. you think he really seaid "lets release 5 terrorists this week, bypassing a law i signed, to get this damn VA thing to go away" that makes...and im not kidding...no sense the VA thing was a delegated control issue. obama didnt falsify records and have secret waiting lists in pencil, to avoid scrutiny and increase bonuses people under the blind idiot in charge did and i dont think its rational to think he released the talibans starting 5 to protect middling managers at the VA who instituted this policy of said paper lists just my 2 cents It makes complete sense...the VA story has been buried...and he furthers his agenda of bypassing congress to close gitmo... Obama's part in the VA scandal? He campaigned on improving care for wounded vets...then ignored them, cut their funding and ignored warning after warning until it blew up in his face...I don't blame obama for the acts, I blame him for the policy that allowed the acts to go on as long as they did. I haven't been following this story so you doubtlessly know more about it than I do, but I do know that Congress holds the purse strings and that typically statements that the president cut something's funding are half truths at best and lies at worst. |
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Post by redsoxworrld on Jun 3, 2014 11:26:07 GMT -5
down, take off the helmet he didnt release 5 terrorists to get the VA thing to go away its silly but your statement on obama policy/funding is fair It's the only rational conclusion...in the immediate follow up to a humungous veteran's scandal, obama skirts the law to bring back a deserter who his administration is parading as someone who served with "distinction and honor"....Sorry...the timing is too perfect... the bolded part is what really astounds me to make that statement about Bergdahl, either knowing that he deserted and was then captured or not knowing anything about the guy they were getting back both equally disturbing for an administration official, or administration, to be guilty of is she that stupid or does she think everyone else is? |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 3, 2014 11:27:05 GMT -5
down, take off the helmet he didnt release 5 terrorists to get the VA thing to go away its silly but your statement on obama policy/funding is fair It's the only rational conclusion...in the immediate follow up to a humungous veteran's scandal, obama skirts the law to bring back a deserter who his administration is parading as someone who served with "distinction and honor".... Sorry...the timing is too perfect... but the tradeoff? 5 of the most dangerous people to this country, on earth released because perhaps too simply put...some veterans didnt get care in time and filthy, undocumented conditions at a few hopsitals were exposed? think about it... and the VA thing, not dismissing it...or downplaying it, its absolutely awful...but the system is broken, and obama never kept a promise he made. the biggets flaw? forcing vets to go to the VA...theyre fixing that, which is the core of the problem |
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Post by down38str8 on Jun 3, 2014 11:37:06 GMT -5
It makes complete sense...the VA story has been buried...and he furthers his agenda of bypassing congress to close gitmo... Obama's part in the VA scandal? He campaigned on improving care for wounded vets...then ignored them, cut their funding and ignored warning after warning until it blew up in his face...I don't blame obama for the acts, I blame him for the policy that allowed the acts to go on as long as they did. I haven't been following this story so you doubtlessly know more about it than I do, but I do know that Congress holds the purse strings and that typically statements that the president cut something's funding are half truths at best and lies at worst. Again...wrong...congress appropriates funding for defense...X number of dollars...how those dollars are spent? Are decided by the executive branch... Thats how government works...the executive asks for money, congress deliberates and determines how much they have to give, a budget is agreed on between the 2 branches, then the executive branch...executes... Since taking office, he's cut COLA, housing allowances, pay raises, pensions...all of which? Has resulted in a growing dependance on the VA....which has seen it's cost increase dramatically over the past 4 or so years. |
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Post by down38str8 on Jun 3, 2014 11:47:40 GMT -5
It's the only rational conclusion...in the immediate follow up to a humungous veteran's scandal, obama skirts the law to bring back a deserter who his administration is parading as someone who served with "distinction and honor"....Sorry...the timing is too perfect... the bolded part is what really astounds me to make that statement about Bergdahl, either knowing that he deserted and was then captured or not knowing anything about the guy they were getting back both equally disturbing for an administration official, or administration, to be guilty of is she that stupid or does she think everyone else is? She pushing the message the admin wants out there while maintaining a degree of separation from obama... Those are his words...sounds very much like they are (or were) planning on a "welcome home hero" type tribute... |
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Post by OXlodge on Jun 3, 2014 11:48:54 GMT -5
You think Bergdahl is practicing Islam in his hospital room right now? They should have cameras on this guy 24/7.
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Post by Super Paul Mullin on Jun 3, 2014 12:04:06 GMT -5
I haven't been following this story so you doubtlessly know more about it than I do, but I do know that Congress holds the purse strings and that typically statements that the president cut something's funding are half truths at best and lies at worst. Again...wrong...congress appropriates funding for defense...X number of dollars...how those dollars are spent? Are decided by the executive branch... Thats how government works...the executive asks for money, congress deliberates and determines how much they have to give, a budget is agreed on between the 2 branches, then the executive branch...executes... Since taking office, he's cut COLA, housing allowances, pay raises, pensions...all of which? Has resulted in a growing dependance on the VA....which has seen it's cost increase dramatically over the past 4 or so years. Yeah that's not how it works. Obama: "I want $135 billion for the VA" Congress: "Okay." Obama: "Cool - now I'm going to spend that on food stamps for black people." The Reps have always proposed their own budget and then the two sides fight and try to agree on something in the middle. |
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Post by down38str8 on Jun 3, 2014 12:25:01 GMT -5
Again...wrong...congress appropriates funding for defense...X number of dollars...how those dollars are spent? Are decided by the executive branch... Thats how government works...the executive asks for money, congress deliberates and determines how much they have to give, a budget is agreed on between the 2 branches, then the executive branch...executes... Since taking office, he's cut COLA, housing allowances, pay raises, pensions...all of which? Has resulted in a growing dependance on the VA....which has seen it's cost increase dramatically over the past 4 or so years. Yeah that's not how it works. Obama: "I want $135 billion for the VA" Congress: "Okay." Obama: "Cool - now I'm going to spend that on food stamps for black people." The Reps have always proposed their own budget and then the two sides fight and try to agree on something in the middle. They don't ask for "135Bn for VA" they create a defense budget, of which the executive branch has final say in how the appropriated funds are spent... |
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Post by down38str8 on Jun 3, 2014 14:48:44 GMT -5
Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl wrote a note expressing a desire to renounce his American citizenship, according to Fox News.
Fox News’ Jennifer Griffin reported Tuesday that members of Bergdahl’s unit said he left behind a note saying he felt disillusioned with the Army and wanted to renounce his citizenship before he was captured in 2009.
Griffin reported that the note has not been made public, nor been provided to Fox, but is part of the body of evidence being examined in the classified investigation.
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Post by BHR on Jul 10, 2014 8:10:11 GMT -5
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Post by Zig on Jul 10, 2014 8:42:57 GMT -5
kind of funny to me that the Taliban is tweeting anything
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